The good, BAD and Ugly Week 13

[Moderator 3]

Not sure if this is good, bad, or ugly, but I found it interesting:

@GerrySandusky The Ravens have lost 8 games by a total of 34 points. The Bengals beat the Browns by 34 points TODAY.

4:19 PM - 6 Dec 2015

[GrimCoconut]

Not sure if this is good, bad, or ugly, but I found it interesting:

@GerrySandusky The Ravens have lost 8 games by a total of 34 points. The Bengals beat the Browns by 34 points TODAY.

4:19 PM - 6 Dec 2015

I would actually prefer we lose this way. It's comforting that we're not getting blown out by anyone, even some of the best teams. It means we're not really that far away. 

[donkeyking64]

I would actually prefer we lose this way. It's comforting that we're not getting blown out by anyone, even some of the best teams. It means we're not really that far away. 

So then does that mean you are good with Pees?

 

Not asking that tongue-in-cheek at all. I just see the hate  about Pees and I have never understood it

 

Just curious to hear your thoughts

[donkeyking64]

Am I the only one here that can't understand why our QBs don't seem to realize that Crockett Gillmore is a playmaker. 

 

Everyone time he caught a ball from Joe he makes a play that involves one or 2 or more broken/missed tackles. But Joe didn't seem to make it a priority to find him.

 

Same thing with Matt Schaub. I can't understand it at all.

 

The kid makes plays and doesn't go down easy. What the heck??

[arnie_uk]

So then does that mean you are good with Pees?

Not asking that tongue-in-cheek at all. I just see the hate about Pees and I have never understood it

Just curious to hear your thoughts

don't under stand it? Did You not see our defense this year?

[GrimCoconut]

So then does that mean you are good with Pees?

 

Not asking that tongue-in-cheek at all. I just see the hate  about Pees and I have never understood it

 

Just curious to hear your thoughts

I would like a better replacement. I'm not sure we'll see one because his unit has done well lately despite early problems, showing a penchant for him to actually adjust his calls. I have maintained for years, however, that I want better at DC. I wanted Horton & Phillips before they went elsewhere, and preferred keeping Austin here than let him go. I understand why those options never came to fruition, but we really do need to see if we can do better. 

[Mad Puppy]

only ugly for me was that terrible PI call early in the game!

[Ravens4Real]

Not sure if this is good, bad, or ugly, but I found it interesting:

@GerrySandusky The Ravens have lost 8 games by a total of 34 points. The Bengals beat the Browns by 34 points TODAY.

4:19 PM - 6 Dec 2015

The next couple of games we have a chance to lose each one of them by 34 points.

[Moderator 3]

Am I the only one here that can't understand why our QBs don't seem to realize that Crockett Gillmore is a playmaker. 

 

Everyone time he caught a ball from Joe he makes a play that involves one or 2 or more broken/missed tackles. But Joe didn't seem to make it a priority to find him.

 

Same thing with Matt Schaub. I can't understand it at all.

 

The kid makes plays and doesn't go down easy. What the heck??

1) play calling

2) can't find him if he's not on the field. He got knocked out early yesterday which is why Schaub never went back to him.

[The Mom Gene]

The next couple of games we have a chance to lose each one of them by 34 points.

I don't know if I believe that...  Our defense has played really well.  Held the Phins to 61 total yards in the second half.  Total Yards for the game didn't break 200.  We just need to put up enough to overcome what our team allows...  and it ain't always the defense allowing the points...  ex.; yesterday.

[The Mom Gene]

No offense to you is intended here but I believe you have misunderstood me.

 

First, I already know the product that the Ravens have on the field.  It was mediocre as you called it to me for weeks this season prior to Flacco, Smith, Sr. and Forsett going down.  Second, I've always despised this offense's inability to gains short yardage....always!  And, no one expected Schaub to light it up again as you say....especially me who has been constantly calling him Matt "Pick 6" Schaub in multiple threads on these boards.  But do I expect the Ravens rag-tag offense to score points when they constantly get opportunities to do so?  Hell yeah!

Mili...  If you look at our average points scored PRIOR to Flacco going down, we were at 23.6 ppg.  We scored 13 yesterday; a total of 20 (if you count the one the refs took from us)... and the offense ALLOWED 8 off of the turnover...  You cannot win games that way. 

Have to say I agree with you on this one.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I do love that the guys just keep plugging away. No quit in them.

[Militant X 1]

Mili...  If you look at our average points scored PRIOR to Flacco going down, we were at 23.6 ppg.  We scored 13 yesterday; a total of 20 (if you count the one the refs took from us)... and the offense ALLOWED 8 off of the turnover...  You cannot win games that way. 

Have to say I agree with you on this one.

 

Thanks for the breakdown.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Am I the only one here that can't understand why our QBs don't seem to realize that Crockett Gillmore is a playmaker. 

 

Everyone time he caught a ball from Joe he makes a play that involves one or 2 or more broken/missed tackles. But Joe didn't seem to make it a priority to find him.

 

Same thing with Matt Schaub. I can't understand it at all.

 

The kid makes plays and doesn't go down easy. What the heck??

 

Our QBs understand this perfectly.

In fact, Joe relied so heavily on Crockett that opponents started double team jamming Crockett at the line to take him completely out of the play on every snap. The only time I can recall seeing that same tactic is when the Pats used it on Tony Gonzales when they played (and beat) the Falcons.

This strategy btw only works against you if you have no other receiving weapons that also need to be double covered.

So, maybe if Perriman had been available or SSS hadn't gotten hurt, Crockett would've been more productive.

[jdynamite]

The Good : Buck Allen impressive. Loss keeps us in decent position for " quality draft selection"

The Bad: officiating errors, oline pass blocking, seeing that one D.Parker TD ( made me jealous) giving up 100 rushing to Miller.

The Ironic: some of you wanted Schaub, screamed and shouted for him ( when flacco was healthy ). lol. Maybe Mr.Pick-6 can help us earn the 6th Pick in the draft.

[donkeyking64]

don't under stand it? Did You not see our defense this year?

Personnel vs Coaching are not one in the same.

 

See the Jax game...

[arnie_uk]

Personnel vs Coaching are not one in the same.

See the Jax game...

so Ozzie needs fired?

[Shutdown215]

so Ozzie needs fired?

No I feel Pees need to go honestly

[ngatainmyhouse]

I don't know much about salaries and how much cap space the Ravens have, but is there any way the Ravens could possibly trade Monroe to free up cap space along with Flacco to possibly restructure his contract? Resigning Yanda was a huge move but I have a lot of faith in Osemele. I honestly see the Ravens picking top 3 in this upcoming draft and there is a chance Tunsil is available is available at 3 and he'll definitely be available at 2. If the Ravens could Draft Tunsil, and resign Osemele we would have a dominate offensive line. Better blocking allows receivers of all calibers to get open. As long as Flacco is around we probably won't be picking top 10 let alone top 5 for quite sometime. The Ravens haven't been able to draft a Jonathan Ogden caliber tackle since '96. Although there are plenty of skill positions players that we could use, but those are positions you can get later in the draft that can come in and make an impact

[codizzle]

ravens are currently projected at sixth, but if all the teams in front of Baltimore, excluding Cleveland, win one more game (Dallas, Jax, Tenn, and SD), there's a very good chance the Ravens end up with the second overall pick. Given the tough slate of games the Ravens have to close out on, it's almost assured the Ravens lose out and finish with a top 5 pick, at the very worst

Suck for luck !

[ravenbran]

His stupid pick,six really sucked. Where's Bryn Renner?

He's heeeeer.........

[darklight1216]

I don't know much about salaries and how much cap space the Ravens have, but is there any way the Ravens could possibly trade Monroe to free up cap space along with Flacco to possibly restructure his contract? Resigning Yanda was a huge move but I have a lot of faith in Osemele. I honestly see the Ravens picking top 3 in this upcoming draft and there is a chance Tunsil is available is available at 3 and he'll definitely be available at 2. If the Ravens could Draft Tunsil, and resign Osemele we would have a dominate offensive line. Better blocking allows receivers of all calibers to get open. As long as Flacco is around we probably won't be picking top 10 let alone top 5 for quite sometime. The Ravens haven't been able to draft a Jonathan Ogden caliber tackle since '96. Although there are plenty of skill positions players that we could use, but those are positions you can get later in the draft that can come in and make an impact

It would probably be difficult to find a team that would actually want him. He has only played 3 entire games of the last 16 (including playoffs).

[redrum52]

I didn't realize this, but there hasn't been 1 holding call on opposing O-lines, for the last 10 games?  Really?

Edited December 10, 2015 by redrum52

[Moderator 3]

I didn't realize this, but there hasn't been 1 holding call on opposing O-lines, for the last 10 games?  Really?

Where did you see that? If true, that's very telling about the bias we've suspected.

[redrum52]

Where did you see that? If true, that's very telling about the bias we've suspected.

 

 

Doom thinks the officials are after them too.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/191284/elvis-dumervil-says-ravens-being-taken-advantage-of-by-officials

[callahan09]

I don't know if I believe that...  Our defense has played really well.  Held the Phins to 61 total yards in the second half.  Total Yards for the game didn't break 200.  We just need to put up enough to overcome what our team allows...  and it ain't always the defense allowing the points...  ex.; yesterday.

Miami has been the last ranked offense in the NFL over the past 4 games.

 

Our last 4 games were again teams that rank 16th, 29th, 31st, and 32nd in total offense over the past 4 games.

 

Now, I'm going to give the defense some major credit for taking care of business, allowing the 2nd fewest yards over that span.  Those 4 teams have averaged 290 yards per game during this span, while we've allowed 257, so we've performed better than average against those teams than their other 3 opponents have in the same span.

 

But still, we have faced the weakest offensive competition of any team.  So while we've taken care of business against them, it's a stretch to assume that means we can keep up with the actual good offenses we're about to face.

 

The next teams we face, over the same last 4 game stretch, rank 1st, 2nd, 13th, and 21st, and are averaging 410 yards per game.

 

I haven't mentioned points yet.  The next 4 opponents rank 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 6th in points per game over the past 4 games, averaging 32 points per game.

 

We rank 10th in points allowed over the past 4 games, allowing 19.3 points per game, BUT that's against teams ranking 7th, 27th, 31st, and 32nd, who have have averaged only 16.2 points per game over the past 4 games, so in terms of points we're actually WORSE than the other defenses that our opponents have faced in this past quarter-season.  Even if we subtract the 15 points given up off pick 6's (one had a PAT kick, the other a 2PT conversion), we've still allowed 15.5 points per game defensively to teams that have scored 15.3 points per game offensively, thus we're still actually below average.

 

To this point I've just been looking at quarter-season stats to see how these teams are performing LATELY, since so many changes have happened for a lot of these teams over the course of the season that things that happened 5 or more games ago aren't necessarily as relevant as things that happened within the last month.  I will look at full season rankings now:

 

Over the course of the entire season, the last 4 teams we played rank 16th, 27th, 30th, and 31st in points scored.

 

And the teams we face coming up rank 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th in points scored.

 

So to my mind, anyway you slice it, we just performed at about an average level against the worst offensive slate of teams any team has faced, and will now face what is probably the best offensive slate of teams that any team will face.  I think that's where there's a good chance for the warts to really show.  

 

Long story short, I feel very little confidence that our defense will actually step up, and if the offense continues to turn the ball over like they have been, then the defense will only be exposed even more against the actual good opponents they have coming up.  Keep in mind that the defenses we face coming up are also very good, ranking 1st, 3rd, 7th, and 8th in points allowed.  We just got done facing the 13th, 24th, 30th, and 31st defenses in points allowed.

 

So we go from facing awful teams in both offense AND defense, to GREAT teams in both categories.

 

Things might get ugly.  That's all I'm saying.

[donkeyking64]

so Ozzie needs fired?

No...but we all know that it doesn't hurt to spend just a little money for something every now and then

 

We've always believed in right player right price mantra because that will work when you have an ed reed, haloti ngata, ray lewis, terrell suggs to play the primary role.

 

But we don't have too many A players right now to be able to go out and just get any complimentary guy.

 

Besides...my point was that Chuck Pagano or Rex Ryan probably couldn't do anything with the same lineup. Just my opinion though

[bMore Heathen]

Doom thinks the officials are after them too.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/191284/elvis-dumervil-says-ravens-being-taken-advantage-of-by-officials

Wow, simply unbelievable. Holding is something that can literally be called on every single play, but not once in 10 games?!? One would think that's impossible.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Suck for luck !

 

Irony: It's because of (really bad) luck that we suck.

[Tank 92]

Where did you see that? If true, that's very telling about the bias we've suspected.

  

Doom thinks the officials are after them too.

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/191284/elvis-dumervil-says-ravens-being-taken-advantage-of-by-officials

For whatever reason there has been a ref bias against the Ravens for years. Whether it be inequities in the way personal fouls are called, game changing PI or others at the end of games, the lack of holding calls, etc., etc., etc., it's been been there. But don't point it out or try to mention it because you will be marked a conspiracy theorist, homer or just a whiner.

Sure the officiating has been bad all over, but Stevie Wonder could see the bias against the Ravens.