Eating my words, giving props where its due- kamar aiken

[Tru11]

 both agree and disagree two completely different players and different skill sets   PFF has kamar rated right now as like an 85... I mean what did boldin do that kamar hasn't?

 

lmao.

 

Boldin has set  records , is in the top 20 off the all time receiving list and might have a long shot to be in the HOF.

 

kamar is nowhere close to boldin....

[gabrielgrissom]

Clutch catches especially in our Super Bowl run. Was the number one WR in the best corps we've ever had. Was tough as nails. Leader of the offense. Good route runner. Reliable hands. Good RAC ability. Need I go on?

during 4 games against sub par competition... I remember this forum was not too fond of him before the playoff run... And our offense ran through ray rice ... Boldin if anything was a tremendous blocker... Which kamar is an adequate enough blocker... Boldin dropped balls while we were here and so has kamar... Boldin fumbled balls so has kamar... Boldin made clutch plays kamar has made clutch plays in Pittsburgh earlier this year in Miami last year and last game before the end of the half when we were still fighting that game and he went up and snagged the ball away from the db back to back. If I can quote Steve smith here 'How about you suit up and line up press coverage against kamar, see how that works out for you.'

[Tru11]

people seriously putting aiken and A. Brown in the same sentence?

[JoeyFlex5]

Can I just mention that while not being a big boldin fan, I am in no way putting aiken anywhere near boldin

[gabrielgrissom]

lmao.

 

Boldin has set  records , is in the top 20 off the all time receiving list and might have a long shot to be in the HOF.

 

kamar is nowhere close to boldin....

because kamar has been playing in the league for two years....

Dude .... How long has bold in been in the league how many times did boldin fought 5 for 50 in a row here?

[gabrielgrissom]

Can I just mention that while not being a big boldin fan, I am in no way putting aiken anywhere near boldin

and I won't either .. Boldin has more savvy for the game and has made bigger plays for us in bigger games... But if you put kamar Aiken right now in boldins shoes I don't see why he couldn't produce at boldins level that's what I'm trying to say... I personally believe he is a slot or a 6th man in basketball terms the reciever who is first up when Steve or breshad need a breather... Because all I see is solid play... Sure he has dropped some balls who hasn't?

[Tru11]

because kamar has been playing in the league for two years....

Dude .... How long has bold in been in the league how many times did boldin fought 5 for 50 in a row here?

 

Kamar is a 5 year pro....

 

guess you started watching football 2 years ago lol

[usmccharles]

Im sorry, i just cant get on the Aiken wagon.  I know no one here is saying hes a number one, but the guy is in the number one slot being force fed the ball and hasnt gone over 100 yards yet.  As a number 3 in the future ok...if thats what we are all saying then i guess i can jump on it. 

[Tru11]

Im sorry, i just cant get on the Aiken wagon.  I know no one here is saying hes a number one, but the guy is in the number one slot being force fed the ball and hasnt gone over 100 yards yet.  As a number 3 in the future ok...if thats what we are all saying then i guess i can jump on it. 

 

its going to take an awe full lot before i even consider aiken being mentioned in the same breath as boldin let alone A.Brown.

[usmccharles]

its going to take an awe full lot before i even consider aiken being mentioned in the same breath as boldin let alone A.Brown

agreed, thats why i didnt even mention them lol

[Radinho84]

i can agree with this. when aiken is the #1, the playbook adjusts to his framed skill set which can only work for a game against a defense after the first or second week SSS is out. but when we need a burner to compliment SSS hes non existent. push him back to 3 or 4 and hes a mediocre possession receiver at best. he can be legit with the right weapons around him which is a rarity these days.

but is n´t this exactly what it is all about? putting players in positions where they are able to excel? Of course aiken is not a burner kind of player like torrey smith. you need to play to the strengths of your personnel. everything else would be foolish. why forcing someone into a role he cannot fulfill?

[gabrielgrissom]

Kamar is a 5 year pro....

 

guess you started watching football 2 years ago lol

Because he started in 2011 with the bills and then went to the pats and finished the 2013 year on our practice squad... hence i said he has been 'playing' in the league... ive been watching football for more than 2 years trust me dude

 

Kamar is a 5 year pro....

 

guess you started watching football 2 years ago lol

anything else you want to try me on?

[TSizzle00]

I respect you admitting your error in judgment. I was one of the guys lobbying for him- I think he has done a great job but we are asking entirely too much from him. He's not a number 1 or even number 2 receiver. But he's handled it like a champ and gotten the job done. He's a class act too. I think that next year when we actually get somebody to stretch the feild and get perriman back guys like Aiken will really benefit and light it up.

Boy was I wrong about Marlon brown though. However I don't think almost anybody could have predicted this bad of a year from him. I didn't expect him to rack up many yards but I thought he would atleast catch some touchdowns for us and stand out in the redzone.

 

 

I hate being wrong about him too, I really thought he'd be really reliable.

[Tru11]

Because he started in 2011 with the bills and then went to the pats and finished the 2013 year on our practice squad... hence i said he has been 'playing' in the league... ive been watching football for more than 2 years trust me dude

 

funny cause he actually played in 2 games in 2011 and 1 in 2012.....

 

so he has been `` playing`` since 2011.

 

Cant really say you have been watching football longer then 2 years when you put aiken in the same sentence as boldin lol.

 

Compare there first 5 years in the league and you might get a clue what the difference is between the 2....

 

PS: you dont really have to quote the same thing 2 times lel

Edited December 17, 2015 by Tru11

[gabrielgrissom]

funny cause he actually played in 2 games in 2011 and 1 in 2012.....

 

so he has been `` playing`` since 2011.

 

Cant really say you have been watching football longer then 2 years when you put aiken in the same sentence as boldin lol.

 

Compare there first 5 years in the league and you might get a clue what the difference is between the 2....

 

PS: you dont really have to quote the same thing 2 times lel

 

 

and I won't either .. Boldin has more savvy for the game and has made bigger plays for us in bigger games... But if you put kamar Aiken right now in boldins shoes I don't see why he couldn't produce at boldins level that's what I'm trying to say... I personally believe he is a slot or a 6th man in basketball terms the reciever who is first up when Steve or breshad need a breather... Because all I see is solid play... Sure he has dropped some balls who hasn't?

Listen, I have respect for boldin... but im not underappreciating what kamar has done for us... just read the quote... im not trying to start some big argument/fight... i respect you as a poster... ive been on here since 2013 so clearly i have been a fan since that year... been a fan since 06... he was a part timer on special teams all up until last year... you can see from the post above what i think of kamar and my expectations of him... hes no Q but i believe he has the talent he does

[Tru11]

Listen, I have respect for boldin... but im not underappreciating what kamar has done for us... just read the quote... im not trying to start some big argument/fight... i respect you as a poster... ive been on here since 2013 so clearly i have been a fan since that year... been a fan since 06... he was a part timer on special teams all up until last year... you can see from the post above what i think of kamar and my expectations of him... hes no Q but i believe he has the talent he does

fair enough.

 

he has potential and certainly is a depth guy, but its going to take a miracle to having him reach boldin level.

 

aiken does have the advantage that flacco has grown a lot as a QB though.

id say if we had this flacco from 2010 , then boldin would most likely have more impressive stats then the ones he had now.

[gabrielgrissom]

fair enough.

 

he has potential and certainly is a depth guy, but its going to take a miracle to having him reach boldin level.

 

aiken does have the advantage that flacco has grown a lot as a QB though.

id say if we had this flacco from 2010 , then boldin would most likely have more impressive stats then the ones he had now.

And he doesn't have that boldin name or credentials but from eye test he's not that far off if at all talent wise from Q... His short and under mediate routes can matchup with most corners in the league and has decisive intermediate in and out routes... And he's underrated on the 9 route he goes up against a corner that is not top notch he can go up and make a play... His yac examples against the browns on Monday night in new england last year during the playoffs in Miami last year in the game where he broke out... He's better than what we ravens fans give him credit for

[cobrajet]

He has made some good catches this year and had some pretty decent games.

[Deflated Football]

And he doesn't have that boldin name or credentials but from eye test he's not that far off if at all talent wise from Q... His short and under mediate routes can matchup with most corners in the league and has decisive intermediate in and out routes... And he's underrated on the 9 route he goes up against a corner that is not top notch he can go up and make a play... His yac examples against the browns on Monday night in new england last year during the playoffs in Miami last year in the game where he broke out... He's better than what we ravens fans give him credit for

lol you want him to be Boldin so bad. It's not going to happen. He's a mediocre WR who is being force fed the ball. That's all there is to it.

[Inqui]

lol you want him to be Boldin so bad. It's not going to happen. He's a mediocre WR who is being force fed the ball. That's all there is to it.

And that was BEFORE he got traded to San Francisco.

Edited December 18, 2015 by Inqui

[Deflated Football]

And that was BEFORE he got traded to San Francisco.

I hope you're being sarcastic 

[JoeyFlex5]

Last year, he didn't look like he had much to offer but he still produced and found a nice small role, this year He has shown what kind of receiver he is, he has shown a knack for making difficult catches, even if he does does so inconsistently. With a 1 and 2 on the field, aiken gets the 3rd db, if we need a difficult catch to be made 5 yards deep, I must say I would like knowing that aiken is on a level playing field as our 3rd option in that situation.

[jazz1988]

lol you want him to be Boldin so bad. It's not going to happen. He's a mediocre WR who is being force fed the ball. That's all there is to it.

 

I think if Aiken wasn't a undrafted receiver he wouldn't be getting  near as much negativity towards his play as he does now. I think the guy has shown growth and is a  solid number 3 receiver whom can you can count on as number 2 receiver if asked.  I don't think Aiken is the next Boldin but the guy does make similar tough catches and his play does remind me  of Boldin a little bit.

 

Out of any young receiver The Ravens  have decided to count on it has been Aiken whom has been the most reliable, durable, and consistent. I think it be in  The Ravens best interest to  bring Aiken back and the guy hasn't even reach his prime yet so he still has alot more room to improve.

 

 I am  honestly not feeling any of the suppose free agent receiver next season and wouldn't mind seeing The Ravens count on younger receivers again unless Steve Smith doesn't come back.

Edited December 18, 2015 by jazz1988

[gabrielgrissom]

lol you want him to be Boldin so bad. It's not going to happen. He's a mediocre WR who is being force fed the ball. That's all there is to it.

and your someone from the internet who has never played football at a high level before arguing over someone who doesn't even know you exist... I don't want him to be bold in if you actually have been reading my posts I say he is not boldin and will have to work hard to have a name like his... He's not mediocre when PFF has him as a top 25 reciever in the league... That's A OK in my book... And if he's being force fed the ball then first off why did JB catch like 7 balls the other day and still got 5 for 50... Do you watch games or do you look at stats and hate on people that are making checks?

[Tru11]

And he doesn't have that boldin name or credentials but from eye test he's not that far off if at all talent wise from Q... His short and under mediate routes can matchup with most corners in the league and has decisive intermediate in and out routes... And he's underrated on the 9 route he goes up against a corner that is not top notch he can go up and make a play... His yac examples against the browns on Monday night in new england last year during the playoffs in Miami last year in the game where he broke out... He's better than what we ravens fans give him credit for

 

Boldin earned his name and credentials with his play on the field and his consistency year in , year out.

nobody handed him anything on a silver plate.

again just look at his first 5 years in the league.

 

People right now are getting way to excited over what aiken has shown in a 4 game stretch that many are over looking that he has been in the league for 5 years now.

 

there is no guaranteed he will play like this next season and lets not even think about the rest of his career.

 

my eye test tells me that i need to see a lot more cause 4 games in 5 seasons is not worthy to be compared to boldin.

 

Let Aiken do this for a few seasons or earn some pro bowl/ all pro honors and then we can start comparing them.

[usmccharles]

Boldin earned his name and credentials with his play on the field and his consistency year in , year out.

nobody handed him anything on a silver plate.

again just look at his first 5 years in the league.

 

People right now are getting way to excited over what aiken has shown in a 4 game stretch that many are over looking that he has been in the league for 5 years now.

 

there is no guaranteed he will play like this next season and lets not even think about the rest of his career.

 

my eye test tells me that i need to see a lot more cause 4 games in 5 seasons is not worthy to be compared to boldin.

 

Let Aiken do this for a few seasons or earn some pro bowl/ all pro honors and then we can start comparing them.

 

I think if Aiken wasn't a undrafted receiver he wouldn't be getting  near as much negativity towards his play as he does now. I think the guy has shown growth and is a  solid number 3 receiver whom can you can count on as number 2 receiver if asked.  I don't think Aiken is the next Boldin but the guy does make similar tough catches and his play does remind me  of Boldin a little bit.

 

 

I highly disagree.  If anything that gives him an excuse. 

[Tru11]

I highly disagree.  If anything that gives him an excuse. 

 

Yup.

 

Brown was a UDFA coming here and had a good rookie season in 2013 mainly because he was the only healthy receiver we had besides torrey.

 

expectations where set high by some here and we all know how that ended up.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Thanks for the laugh. Aiken is nowhere near Garçon's level nor should Kamar be a starter. This same thinking of having faith in Kamar for not just being a number three has gotten us to where we are today: picking up scrub WR's from the bargain bin. Aiken is being force fed the ball and still can't top 100 yards in a single game. This is why our offense is mediocre, because we rely on mediocre undrafted players who we grab from someone else's practice squad to play an extremely important skill position

 

Garcon - Age 29 - 6th Rd. Draft Pick

6' 0'' - 216 ibs. - 4.48 (40 time)

59 catches - 91 targets

614 yds - 3 TDs

10.4 yds per catch - 4.5 catches per game - 47.2 yds per game

 

Aiken - Age 26 - UDFA

6' 2' - 215 lbs. - 4.45 (40 time)

54 catches - 94 targets

674 yds - 4TDs

12.5 yds per catch - 4.2 catches per game - 51.8 yds per game

 

Seems fairly even to me.

But why let facts get in the way of our biases?

[usmccharles]

Garcon - Age 29 - 6th Rd. Draft Pick

6' 0'' - 216 ibs. - 4.48 (40 time)

59 catches - 91 targets

614 yds - 3 TDs

10.4 yds per catch - 4.5 catches per game - 47.2 yds per game

 

Aiken - Age 26 - UDFA

6' 2' - 215 lbs. - 4.45 (40 time)

54 catches - 94 targets

674 yds - 4TDs

12.5 yds per catch - 4.2 catches per game - 51.8 yds per game

 

Seems fairly even to me.

But why let facts get in the way of our biases?

Career

 

Garcon

5864 yards in 114 games

51.4 avg yards a gmae

31 TDs

 

Aiken

1031 yards in 32 games

32.2 avg yards a game

4 Tds

 

Aiken has played in 29 games for Baltimore and hasnt put up 1000 yards...Stats are fun

[usmccharles]

Yup.

 

Brown was a UDFA coming here and had a good rookie season in 2013 mainly because he was the only healthy receiver we had besides torrey.

 

expectations where set high by some here and we all know how that ended up.

Which is completely fine to have high expectations, but they should be kept in check.  I was extremely excited for Waller...but im not going to sit here and make a case for him when there is no case.  No defense.  at all.  Lets say Camp was out there in the number spot. (healthy, if thats possible) I would bet he puts up a lot more respectable numbers...