Eating my words, giving props where its due- kamar aiken

[Deflated Football]

Suspect hands, sure. Slow and no RAC ability? Lol no. Kamar has average speed and pretty good RAC ability.

He rarely gets seperation and I have yet to see him break off huge gains with his "pretty good RAC ability". Keep in mind that he has never had a 100 yard game recieving. If you guys are fine with mediocrity at the WR position, then fine. But I don't think he's a viable number three WR in the NFL. He's being force fed the ball.

[Purple_City39]

I think Aiken is best as a #3 but I think it's unfair to call him an average player and compare him to Marlon Brown or even say Marlon Brown is better.

Marlon Brown didn't have a great WR corps around him either, but let's put this into perspective. Yes, Aiken is getting a lot of looks but he has nobody else in the WR corps while Brown had Torrey Smith getting attention his rookie year. Who does Aiken have?

My point is this argument goes both ways. He's an above average player I'd say who's a good player but not great. I'd bring him back but I don't feel comfortable throwing money at him.

I would understand this concept if Aiken never had anyone next to him.  With Steve Smith opposite him (who is leaps and bounds better than Torrey) Aiken still did nothing.  In fact, he was worse than he is now

I'm not even comparing the two from a skill perspective.  I'm saying that Aiken's best hasn't even reached Marlon's best.  Marlon had a 1 dimensional Torrey as #1.  Aiken had SSS and then became the flat out #1 and still shows he's at best a low end #2.

 

I just can't hop on the bandwagon because he's now getting inflated numbers due to being force fed the ball.  He's still doing nothing with it.  

[GrimCoconut]

I would understand this concept if Aiken never had anyone next to him. With Steve Smith opposite him (who is leaps and bounds better than Torrey) Aiken still did nothing. In fact, he was worse than he is now

I'm not even comparing the two from a skill perspective. I'm saying that Aiken's best hasn't even reached Marlon's best. Marlon had a 1 dimensional Torrey as #1. Aiken had SSS and then became the flat out #1 and still shows he's at best a low end #2.

I just can't hop on the bandwagon because he's now getting inflated numbers due to being force fed the ball. He's still doing nothing with it.

Aiken certainly looked bad early in the year but he's turned it on recently. I'm not sure if he just wasn't ready or what but he has looked better lately.

I don't see a bandwagon lol. I think people are just saying keep the guy around because he's looked good and he could be a nice player with more guys around him. I don't think he should be the #2 but I think he could fill that role temporarily if there's someone good across from him.

I think ideally you bring back Aiken, sign a free agent WR, draft a WR high as well, and let Perriman, Aiken, the new draft pick, and free agent WR duel it out.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Aiken has quietly, rather surprisingly, developed into a Pierre Garcon type of #2/3 WR who is ideal as a #3 working the middle from the slot, but because of his size and possessing sufficient speed, is not a liability on the outside as your #2.

 

He is better than a #4 and it isn't fair to him to think of Kamar as *only* a #3 either.

If Garcon is good enough to be a starter in the NFL, then so is Kamar.

[jdynamite]

That's not exactly fair. 1200 yards would be a very nice season and would make people think he could be a #1 WR. I honestly, would be happy if he had 800 yards as a #2. That would be respectable. That's what Boldin put up when he was here and would also be close to what Torrey put up here.

I'll admit it's not fair, Aiken has been decent. My main issue is going forward I view Aiken as complementary piece, a player that will make the occasional tough catch, move the chains at times. ( I'm hoping the Front office adds more WR talent to compete ) When I watch Aiken he makes me think of J.Cotchery a hard working, gritty WR with the jets, due to injuries and lack of talent, he became one of their go to options had several solid/good seasons.

I mean hey I'd love nothing more than for Aiken to become something special..... But on these boards people tend to get extremely happy really quickly see Marlontron! Or Aiken is Boldin2.0.

[Deflated Football]

Aiken has quietly, rather surprisingly, developed into a Pierre Garcon type of #2/3 WR who is ideal as a #3 working the middle from the slot, but because of his size and possessing sufficient speed, is not a liability on the outside as your #2.

He is better than a #4 and it isn't fair to him to think of Kamar as *only* a #3 either.

If Garcon is good enough to be a starter in the NFL, then so is Kamar.

Thanks for the laugh. Aiken is nowhere near Garçon's level nor should Kamar be a starter. This same thinking of having faith in Kamar for not just being a number three has gotten us to where we are today: picking up scrub WR's from the bargain bin. Aiken is being force fed the ball and still can't top 100 yards in a single game. This is why our offense is mediocre, because we rely on mediocre undrafted players who we grab from someone else's practice squad to play an extremely important skill position

[January J]

Aiken shines as a number 3. He's not spectacular against top corners but as a complimentary peice he is an extremely reliable number 3 and my guess is that is the role he will be playing next season.

1) FA or cap casualty

2a)SSS ?

2b) perriman

3)Aiken

4)campanaro

5)Daniel brown

6)draftee/ Waller/ butler/clay

[balfan23]

I will go so far as to say that Aiken has proven that he is worth keeping on our roster next year. He is an RFA, so I assume we'll retain him with a low tender (doubt we're risking anything by not making it a higher tender than that). I do not think that he is someone that we want to consider to be central to our offensive plans going forward. 

[balfan23]

Aiken shines as a number 3. He's not spectacular against top corners but as a complimentary peice he is an extremely reliable number 3 and my guess is that is the role he will be playing next season.

1) FA or cap casualty

2a)SSS ?

2b) perriman

3)Aiken

4)campanaro

5)Daniel brown

6)draftee/ Waller/ butler/clay

That 1 and 2 slot is fraught with uncertainty ... 

[RavensFanOfLA]

i mean i hear what some of you guys are saying that he is improved but i just want a number one that isnt a throwaway practice squad player from another team for once. Yes he has improved but ozzy its time to repair an ignored position we need desperately.  

[JoeyFlex5]

I would understand this concept if Aiken never had anyone next to him.  With Steve Smith opposite him (who is leaps and bounds better than Torrey) Aiken still did nothing.  In fact, he was worse than he is now

I'm not even comparing the two from a skill perspective.  I'm saying that Aiken's best hasn't even reached Marlon's best.  Marlon had a 1 dimensional Torrey as #1.  Aiken had SSS and then became the flat out #1 and still shows he's at best a low end #2.

 

I just can't hop on the bandwagon because he's now getting inflated numbers due to being force fed the ball.  He's still doing nothing with it.  

the difference between 2013 marlon and 2015 aiken, is that torrey was still the same old torrey, nothing more than a burner, we were unable to force feed torrey the ball by normal standards, steve smith is a different monster, he beats double teams at every level of the field, he was TRULY being force fed, because hes a well rounded guy, even if aiken was in a good position, joe was too reliant on steve smith. Its no secret that joe gets too clingy when he feels he has a reliable target, he was spreading it out much better when steve went down. Im not saying our offense got better when he went down, but joe was less likely to stare a guy down and throw it into triple coverage, because he didnt fully trust ANY of his guys, so he was really surveying and throwing it to the guy who gave the best chance for a completion, and more often than not that guy had been aiken.

 

Aiken has NO talent around him, playing with bad qb's, and even though he is being force fed, he is still somewhat producing, he is showing good heart and tenacity, and he has shown a knack for making tough catches, much more than marlon brown EVER did. Marlon brown was a guy that you could watch as a rookie and acknowledge the stats but wonder how he did it, because there wasnt very much evident talent or potential there, with aiken you really can see the potential when he plays, it may not be the greatest potential, but you can say where he could be a part of your plans moving forward, a guy who can make tough catches and play physical is an asset, hes not carrying any loads, hes not complementing any #1's, but he can be there and he can show up in enough situations to be valuable.

Edited December 15, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[JoeyFlex5]

I still can't eat my words on Aiken.  He's the #1 by default.  He's getting #1 WR opportunities with double digit targets in 3 of the last 5 weeks but he's still showing to be a #2.  We're still waiting for his first 100 yards game.  In fact, I'll put it into perspective.  Marlon Brown's single game high in yards and TDs are both still higher than Aiken's career high.  Brown set those highs as a rookie, Aiken's been in the league five years, has been getting #1 WR looks most of the season, and still hasn't surpassed or tied Brown's single game numbers.

 

Y'all can neg me but Aiken is still the #3/4 I thought he was when the season started.

why would i neg you when i clearly stated in the OP that he was at best a #3. not a single person on this thread, as far as i know, is calling him a 1 or 2. 

 

why does everyone seem so quick to downplay what aiken has done as if were touting him as our #1?     

[Cville-Raven]

why would i neg you when i clearly stated in the OP that he was at best a #3. not a single person on this thread, as far as i know, is calling him a 1 or 2.

why does everyone seem so quick to downplay what aiken has done as if were touting him as our #1?

This, also hate how people are using the fact he was undrafted and on other rosters and holding that against him.

[January J]

That 1 and 2 slot is fraught with uncertainty ...

sure is- but that's the hand we have right now.

[Winchester]

Marlontron!! and Aikamania!! Curb the enthusiasm or Wizard may sign him to a $50million contract to keep him off the market before he gets to hot.

[jazz1988]

i mean i hear what some of you guys are saying that he is improved but i just want a number one that isnt a throwaway practice squad player from another team for once. Yes he has improved but ozzy its time to repair an ignored position we need desperately.  

 

There's no number one receiver The Ravens will be able  to get their hands on in free agency next season so it's either they draft one or hope Perriman will be that.

[FlackAttack]

love me some aiken, dude balls when called upon. but in a 16 game season hes a solid #3

[JoeyFlex5]

Marlontron!! and Aikamania!! Curb the enthusiasm or Wizard may sign him to a $50million contract to keep him off the market before he gets to hot.

this isn't about over hyping aiken, it's about appreciating him stepping up, playing with heart, and going from a no name to being a respectable player in tough circumstances. And it's about me eating my words because I said adamantly that aiken was gonna be a disaster. Please read the thread, nobody is saying anything even close to this so I question what you are even mocking here..

[Winchester]

this isn't about over hyping aiken, it's about appreciating him stepping up, playing with heart, and going from a no name to being a respectable player in tough circumstances. And it's about me eating my words because I said adamantly that aiken was gonna be a disaster. Please read the thread, nobody is saying anything even close to this so I question what you are even mocking here..

Calm down dude, just playing

[JoeyFlex5]

Calm down dude, just playing

im cool as a cucumber. but for 4 pages now people are like "PFFFT hes nothing more than a number 3 you noobs!" duh, thats what i said in the op and you joined in on it. 

 

do people just read the title and post without even reading the topic post?

[FlackAttack]

im cool as a cucumber. but for 4 pages now people are like "PFFFT hes nothing more than a number 3 you noobs!" duh, thats what i said in the op and you joined in on it.

do people just read the title and post without even reading the topic post?

people on here read the op and completely understand what type of player kamar aiken is. stop getting insecure and sensitive when you make a thread about kamar aiken when people tell it like it is

[FlackAttack]

also, antonio brown didnt start off as a nobody compared to the extremely slow start of both edelman and amendola. brown became elite his second season. and amendola is still not that good at all, comparing him to antonio brown is flat out laughable.

[Winchester]

I know a dude that thinks Aiken is a true #1 receiver because he is the ravens best as of now and that makes him a #1 receiver. He also thinks the ravens are set at receiver and have enough good receivers. And do not need to acquire any receivers.....lol

[JoeyFlex5]

people on here read the op and completely understand what type of player kamar aiken is. stop getting insecure and sensitive when you make a thread about kamar aiken when people tell it like it is, grow a pair

lmao insecure? do you even know what that means? 

 

tell it like it is? you mean shouting hypebeast to anyone will acknowledge that aiken hasnt been a dumpster fire lately?

 

lol telling me to grow a pair, heres the deal, i say he could be a good #3 for us in the future, the entire thread is jam packed with comments about how aiken is a joke and anyone who says otherwise needs to get a clue and bla bla and heres the kicker... these comments are topped off with "hes a #3". so what these people are saying is... they agree with me, but they cant be bothered to acknowledge that they are saying the same exact thing i am, and be damned if they agree politely. 

 

that has been exactly the case here, sorry that im right. 

 

 

also, antonio brown didnt start off as a nobody compared to the extremely slow start of both edelman and amendola. brown became elite his second season. and amendola is still not that good at all, comparing him to antonio brown is flat out laughable.

never compared aiken to brown, never compared him to amendola, never compared him to edelman, i said that these guys were no names when they came into the league, they had no hype or major draft status, and they worked on their craft and found ways to produce, some more than others. whats to say aiken cant learn the route tree and become a guy who can actually run a quality route in th future? thats not me saying he can be antonio brown, thats me saying with time he can improve by working on the finer points of his game. but you just make it more and more obvious that you just skim through threads and dont really retain any information.

[JoeyFlex5]

I know a dude that thinks Aiken is a true #1 receiver because he is the ravens best as of now and that makes him a #1 receiver. He also thinks the ravens are set at receiver and have enough good receivers. And do not need to acquire any receivers.....lol

there were people thinking him and marlon were gonna be fighting for #1 when steve retired... the hype for them got ugly during the offseason, i never bought into it, but i dont see any problem with acknowledging that one of them has done an admirable job. but everyone wants heads to roll around here and nothing else is acceptable lol

[gabrielgrissom]

Pretty good 3rd WR. Campanero>Kamar when healthy though.

 both agree and disagree two completely different players and different skill sets 

I still don't think you all are giving him enough credit. Your probably looking at your #2 reciever for the foreseeable future. Aiken/Perriman are to be our Boldon/Smith

  PFF has kamar rated right now as like an 85...

This is laughable. Aiken is nowhere near Boldin's level. He can come back as the number four next season but that's it.

I mean what did boldin do that kamar hasn't?

[Deflated Football]

both agree and disagree two completely different players and different skill sets PFF has kamar rated right now as like an 85... I mean what did boldin do that kamar hasn't?

Clutch catches especially in our Super Bowl run. Was the number one WR in the best corps we've ever had. Was tough as nails. Leader of the offense. Good route runner. Reliable hands. Good RAC ability. Need I go on?

[Deflated Football]

I'm starting to sour even more on Aiken. He's being force fed the ball which is inflating his numbers and disappeared from games when we actually had a competent WR corps in 2014. He's nothing more than a 6 to me. 5 at best.

[gabrielgrissom]

Sorry to say, but Boldin dropped his fair share of balls here. I'm not sure I think the comparison of Aiken to Boldin is necessarily appropriate, but this comment bothers me because Boldin dropped his fair share. He had a critical drop against (I believe) Pittsburgh in the playoffs that could've won us the game. I just don't like how Boldin is practically given god-status around here.

 If your thinking about that divisional game i believe that was housh ... Im still upset about that one... Butits like the only way you guys will be satisfied with him is if hes calvin and doesnt drop or fumble one ball for us at all... News flash recievers arent perfect... Ive seen sss drop like 3 or 4 ball against cinncinati in last years season opener and then caught what was then a game winning ball... Ive seen steve smith senior catch a ball and blatantly fumble against indy... If you slap a credible name on the back of his jersey right now you guys would have no problem with him 

Aiken has been force fed the football since SSS went down. That's why his numbers have been inflated. He would've been on our practice squad in 2012 and I would only like him back next season as the number four at best.

This post just absolutely makes 0 sense and it shows your hate for the man... First of all 2012 was almost 4 years ago... Time goes by player get older/regress/improve... Second of all if you get open and your catching ball and your doing it consistently what are you supposed to do tell the quarterback 'hey don't throw me the ball'... I mean wasn't sss being force fed the ball I didn't hear you complaining then...

[FlackAttack]

I'm starting to sour even more on Aiken. He's being force fed the ball which is inflating his numbers and disappeared from games when we actually had a competent WR corps in 2014. He's nothing more than a 6 to me. 5 at best.

 

i can agree with this. when aiken is the #1, the playbook adjusts to his framed skill set which can only work for a game against a defense after the first or second week SSS is out. but when we need a burner to compliment SSS hes non existent. push him back to 3 or 4 and hes a mediocre possession receiver at best. he can be legit with the right weapons around him which is a rarity these days.