2016 Salary Cap & Possible Moves

[Cillmatic]

Webb is gone, I'll just say that. From what I've seen from a few clips and what not the dude got toast. I don't even think he is worth keeping around at that cap hit. Unless he agrees to play at FS I'm resigned to the fact that he's gone. I've defended him in the past and I thought he was heading back to his post-ACL tear form but he is just a question mark and I believe he won't be here.

It's like every-time you think he has turned it around, he has you thinking otherwise. I think he lost too much in those legs to play CB.

I'd rather have Will Davis take over.

Will Davis might play 5 games a season.

[PurpleCity5]

Will Davis might play 5 games a season.

Sometimes you can't everything honestly. I don't consider him injury prone because of a torn-ACL honestly. I have not looked into his injury history much but a torn ACL does not make you injury prone in my book. It just happens. They are freak accidents. No one will call Joe injury prone because of his recent ACL tear. 

[GrimCoconut]

Will Davis might play 5 games a season.

Sometimes you can't everything honestly. I don't consider him injury prone because of a torn-ACL honestly. I have not looked into his injury history much but a torn ACL does not make you injury prone in my book. It just happens. They are freak accidents. No one will call Joe injury prone because of his recent ACL tear. 

Will Davis has an injury history.  He tore his ACL last year with the Dolphins in 2014. He sprained his ankle in 2013. 

Edited December 14, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Ravens4Real]

Repetitive injury on knees or the legs would be deemed as injury prone. One freak knee tear is not being injury prone. I certainly wouldn't call Brady injury prone. I would say Will Davis is injury prone. Along with a whole bunch of other guys currently on this team

[PurpleCity5]

Will Davis has an injury history. He tore his ACL last year with the Dolphins in 2014. He sprained his ankle in 2013.

I haven't been on the info lately. I have exams so I don't want to take a lot of time finding out but like I said those ACL tears are freak accident. Suggs had two torn Achilies, I wouldn't call him injury prone though I don't know how much comparisons you can make between the two.

[Cillmatic]

Sometimes you can't everything honestly. I don't consider him injury prone because of a torn-ACL honestly. I have not looked into his injury history much but a torn ACL does not make you injury prone in my book. It just happens. They are freak accidents. No one will call Joe injury prone because of his recent ACL tear.

He has a HISTORY of being injury prone.

[GrimCoconut]

I haven't been on the info lately. I have exams so I don't want to take a lot of time finding out but like I said those ACL tears are freak accident. Suggs had two torn Achilies, I wouldn't call him injury prone though I don't know how much comparisons you can make between the two.

I am a big fan of Will Davis and I admit he is injury-prone.  I've been a big fan since the 2013 Draft. It might not stick and he may prove the label wrong, but it's a fair label at this time. 

[DenverRaven]

Starting to wonder what's going on behind closed doors at the castle. Bisciotti can't be happy, and Harbs looks like he hasn't slept since week one. No one expects us to win with the JV squad, but there's more to it than just that.

 

I'm thinking some big changes might be on the horizon for this organziation. Maybe nothing too drastic, but what better time would there be to assess this team's ideology and foundation? 2016 can't come soon enough.

Edited December 14, 2015 by DenverRaven

[DenverRaven]

Also, KO moving to LT signals to me that the FO is possibly considering resigning KO for that position, if he shows improvement in the final three games. Even though there's a chunk of dead money that would be eaten by Monroe's contract, it may not be the worst alternative.

[January J]

Also, KO moving to LT signals to me that the FO is possibly considering resigning KO for that position, if he shows improvement in the final three games. Even though there's a chunk of dead money that would be eaten by Monroe's contract, it may not be the worst alternative.

maybe they keep on Monroe as well for a backup? Who knows. But if we do retain KO and his move to lt is permanent that's one less position we have to address in the draft.

[Ravens4Real]

Wouldn't keeping and resigning KO at LT just drive his price tag up even more? The FO should have left him at G considering that is the cheapest position along the O Line for contracts.

What happens if KO plays great these last couple games? His contract numbers will just go higher. We may not even have the money to pay him to be a G. There's no way we have the money for another big LT contract. Especially with how the other one on the books is performing.

[Moderator 3]

I would like to re-sign KO as a G who can play LT in a pinch. We need an anchor LT that we can keep for years.

[Deflated Football]

KO is versatile and could be our answer at LT. Flacco needs to be protected at all costs and if we can retain KO at OG and draft Tunsil or Stanley, Joe will be a VERY happy QB. Re-sign the man!!!

[PurpleCity5]

I agree, at first I was against it but we can seal our LT problems with K.O. If we are lucky and Tunsil falls to us then we keep move K.O back to LG. I do think its benificial to have K.O here as a back-up plan since we'll be very thin at LT soon.

[atomicfront]

Starting to wonder what's going on behind closed doors at the castle. Bisciotti can't be happy, and Harbs looks like he hasn't slept since week one. No one expects us to win with the JV squad, but there's more to it than just that.

 

I'm thinking some big changes might be on the horizon for this organziation. Maybe nothing too drastic, but what better time would there be to assess this team's ideology and foundation? 2016 can't come soon enough.

 

That is what I have been saying all along.  If you end up being the worst team inn the league someone is getting fired.  Part of the issue is the guys we have signed to big deals are not performing and don't look like they will peform at that level in the future:  Pitta, Webb, Jimmy Smith, Monroe all have long deals that we will basically are stuck with.  Plus the young guys have not developed.  The defense is pretty healthy except for Suggs and the guys we have just aren't very good.  Yet they mostly all have big contracts or were drafted pretty high.   

Edited December 14, 2015 by atomicfront

[terrynjulia03]

Way too many question marks. For one thing though with his restructure Webb will be here next year. Makes zero sense to dump him. Hes a decent 3 when healthy but reliability Id say 4. Yes hes making way too much, hence 2017 bye bye. But next year the cost savings arent worth it.

Joe will restructure. I can see his cap hit next year being in the 16m range with incentives and a overall average of 20m per year for 6. Cap #s of 16, 18, 20, 22, 24. Just for simplicity, yeah itll be a tad different but for numbers sake. I bet they get it done. We cant just cut him loose, this isnt the Os and Chris Davis lol. But numerous other QBs are better QBs playing at those type of numbers. AND he just lost his best bargaining chip, reliable. You WERE. Now youve had a big time injury. Will it continue to be a issue? Those are question and tactics to use against that punk Linta. Joes not dumb. Sign for this so we can keep you upright and give you some weapons and we win another SB or 2, or go get your payday and last 1 year behind St Louis line before your knocked out of the league. Lol. Your choice. Yes extremisms. Wont come to that but thats the underlying reality lol.

As for the whole Monroe situation, its really not cost effective to release him. Those of you saying sign KO to be our LT, ado those of you even understand the game? Do you even watch? That would be the worst move in Ravens history. KO has a injury history with his back, and has missed almost as many games as a Raven as Monroe has. Please. Just stop. Monroe will be here next year. Well draft a guy in the mid rounds with alot of upside and just needs coaching and let Castillo pick that person and work with them. KO os gonna get a contract elsewhere and Urschel will be our LG. Hes starting at C so hell know the line calls and I think thos has been the plan all along. Hes big, and smart as hell. I actually thoight he might be Yandas replacement when we drafted him, and maybe in a few years he is, but next year hes our LG. Maybe the org is fed up with Monroe and drafts Tunsil or Stanley, honestly I hope not. You need a offense that gets the ball out quick to slow down pass rushers. Look at the Brownies. They have arguably 2 of the best OLmen in football on the line. What has that gotten them? Meanwhile NE keeps rolling with guys they pulled from McDonalds. Monroe needs to grow some heart. Yeah he doesnt wanna be here. Oh well suck it up. Next year when he gets a hangnail hopefully the mid rounder or Hurst can keep them at bay long enough, or maybe he only misses a couple games in the middle, best case scenario, THAN in 2017 we can take a lookse when dumping Monroe wont hurt the cap. Maybe we use our 1st in the 2017 draft if its really that bad, or a 2nd. This year though? No. Too many other immediate needs with our finally getting high draft picks.

[DenverRaven]

AND he just lost his best bargaining chip, reliable. You WERE. Now youve had a big time injury. Will it continue to be a issue? Those are question and tactics to use against that punk Linta. 

 

 

In the modern era, ACL injuries do not impact contracts. Joe will take what makes him the most gtd money, but I think it'll be team friendly.

 

You're right about Monroe's and pretty much everything else. The Pats are rolling with scrubs on the line. We have some pretty glaring coaching issues on both sides, but I think the offense is much closer to being competent.

 

I don't think anyone is saying we should resign KO for sure, but it's obvious that they are testing the waters with the LT position. Keeping KO at either LG or LT will be near impossible with our cap next season, however, they must have something in mind other than driving up his cost? Or maybe that's just it.

Edited December 14, 2015 by DenverRaven

[Deflated Football]

Flacco isn't going anywhere regardless of if he restructures or not but I trust he'll get it done. Ozzie needs to be wary of who he hands out long term contracts to because Pitta, Webb, Rice and Monroe have really hurt us with the cap. If someone is oft-injured or has had a major injury and is up there in age (Webb/Pitta) has a bad or nonchalant attitude (Monroe) is regressing (Rice) or doesn't play like a Raven, you don't hand him a huge contract. If he wants to test the market, fine, let him test the market. If he comes back with his tail in between his legs, give him a one year deal to prove he's worth keeping in the long term if he's similar to one of the players above. Some of these contracts handed out over the years have become maddening. It's like we're making friendly decisions instead of business decisions and now we're in cap hell.

[DenverRaven]

Flacco isn't going anywhere regardless of if he restructures or not but I trust he'll get it done. Ozzie needs to be wary of who he hands out long term contracts to because Pitta, Webb, Rice and Monroe have really hurt us with the cap. If someone is oft-injured or has had a major injury and is up there in age (Webb/Pitta) has a bad or nonchalant attitude (Monroe) is regressing (Rice) or doesn't play like a Raven, you don't hand him a huge contract. If he wants to test the market, fine, let him test the market. If he comes back with his tail in between his legs, give him a one year deal to prove he's worth keeping in the long term if he's similar to one of the players above. Some of these contracts handed out over the years have become maddening. It's like we're making friendly decisions instead of business decisions and now we're in cap hell.

 

Part of the problem is that we've rewarded good play with lengthy contracts. We paid for past performances. Webb, Monroe were both highly praised at the time of signing, but injuries wrecked them. Pitta was a big risk, imo and I hope we have learned from that. Rice... Well, oops.

[PerpetuallyBored74]

We've just had really rotten luck with all these injuries.

I just hope that Jimmy and Wagner can return to form from their Lisfranc's. Those are worse than ACL tears for pro athletes, especially at positions like CB;.

 

 

As for Monroe, hurt his knee and ankle in 2014, then had a concussion and injured his shoulder in 2015, with the shoulder landing him on IR.

Before in Jacksonville, he had never had such an injury history. So just more bad luck?

 

Zuttah had never been hurt either. Comes here and tears his pec this year.

 

Clearly, we need to look into our strength and conditioning program.

Don't know if that's the culprit, but this many injuries, especially to players who never had such histories warrants further, deeper investigation.

 

Because these injuries are not only killing our team this year, they're also killing our cap over the next few years, at least.

[terrynjulia03]

Denver, true. Maybe they cant use that tactic but I stand pat that itll be 6 for 120 for "cap purposes" maybe even lower. I gotta take a look at who else has contracts this offseason, and who signed deals last year. Unfortunatly we cant use Bradys as an example as that is a contract never seen before.

As for KO, meh I dunno. Honestly I think they relaize Hurst is horrible and theyre just trying to keep the backup for next year alive and unbroken for the next 4 games so theyre not rehabbing in the offseason also, lol.

[Boddiebroadus]

With cut and restructures what are some possible players we can land cheap. I for one would like to give Josh Gordon a chance here. He and perriman would be the unstoppable.

But I also realize defense has the most holes. We need a pass rush, possibly another middle linebacker and for sure a free safety. I don't think we can grab all these in the draft. So which players would every like to see that we have a real shot at?

[usmccharles]

With cut and restructures what are some possible players we can land cheap. I for one would like to give Josh Gordon a chance here. He and perriman would be the unstoppable.

But I also realize defense has the most holes. We need a pass rush, possibly another middle linebacker and for sure a free safety. I don't think we can grab all these in the draft. So which players would every like to see that we have a real shot at?

I see us in the mix for Roddy white, vjax, nate Washington. Washington is the exact kind of signing we do, we get a veteran presence but he doesn't have anything special left in my opinion, definitely not a number one.

Gordon I don't see it. Either we won't even look into him or he won't come as cheap as we are willing to pay. No doubt the kid has game, only matters if your on the field though.

[January J]

I see us in the mix for Roddy white, vjax, nate Washington. Washington is the exact kind of signing we do, we get a veteran presence but he doesn't have anything special left in my opinion, definitely not a number one.

Gordon I don't see it. Either we won't even look into him or he won't come as cheap as we are willing to pay. No doubt the kid has game, only matters if your on the field though.

not a fan of Nate Washington , he's not the playmaker type guy that we need. Roddy white might be ok but he seems like he is running out of steam. Could be a result of Julio gettin all the targets but still he hasn't produced AT ALL. Vjax is the most enticing option out of those 3 IMO. But there will be several more options once cap cuts are made. Maybe even DJax. Who knows. Gordon is a thought and we've taken chances on guys before but it's highly doubtful. He will go to a team with a ton of cap space and nothing to lose.i think we're gonna have to break the bank for a proven veteran though regardless. Jeffrey is a pipe dream but hey stranger things have happened.

[usmccharles]

not a fan of Nate Washington , he's not the playmaker type guy that we need. Roddy white might be ok but he seems like he is running out of steam. Could be a result of Julio gettin all the targets but still he hasn't produced AT ALL. Vjax is the most enticing option out of those 3 IMO. But there will be several more options once cap cuts are made. Maybe even DJax. Who knows. Gordon is a thought and we've taken chances on guys before but it's highly doubtful. He will go to a team with a ton of cap space and nothing to lose.i think we're gonna have to break the bank for a proven veteran though regardless. Jeffrey is a pipe dream but hey stranger things have happened.

I agree about Washington, didn't mean I wanted him here, just saying I think he would be someone we target. I feel the same about Roddy, I think he's done. Vjax is who I'd like but his health worries me. I think djax will be too expensive but the way he changes their offense idk I'd they cut ties.

[terrynjulia03]

I could see Garcon making a appearence here. No BS dead serious.

Perriman and Givens opening up the top allowing Garcon and Sr to work against lesser corners. With Gillmore, Maxx and Boyle at TE and Buck or West in the backfield as a threat. We combo you use thats a interesting predicament to put a opposing D into. And flexability that Trestmans Offenses utilize and thrive on.

[usmccharles]

I could see Garcon making a appearence here. No BS dead serious.

Perriman and Givens opening up the top allowing Garcon and Sr to work against lesser corners. With Gillmore, Maxx and Boyle at TE and Buck or West in the backfield as a threat. We combo you use thats a interesting predicament to put a opposing D into. And flexability that Trestmans Offenses utilize and thrive on.

I agree, I brought up Garcons about a month and a half ago

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Some of the holes will be filled in the draft without a doubt. This is a good pass rushing class. Not a great one but there are good options. Nassib, Ngokoue etc. MLB can be found in the middle rounds probably. WR will probably filled in FA

[usmccharles]

Some of the holes will be filled in the draft without a doubt. This is a good pass rushing class. Not a great one but there are good options. Nassib, Ngokoue etc. MLB can be found in the middle rounds probably. WR will probably filled in FA

Hopefully wr is a fa find.  If we go into next year with BP and a drafted wr and no SSR,  we are in trouble.  

[B-more Ravor]

This goes back to mid-Oct, but much of the issues are still the same:

 

http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/10/22/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/ravens-2016-salary-cap-preview/

 

Also, remember that the team's rookie pool (Cap) is going to be much higher this year than in past years.  Due to the interplay with the Rule of 51, the team's rookie cap usually only had a minimal impact ($1-2M) on the team's overall Cap, but with the much higher draft position, it's going to be more like $5M this year.

 

Something else to remember, it's easy to say "just release all these guys and we'll have $20M+ in Cap space, but for every guy you release, they leave that many more players that are needed to be signed to get back up to a full roster.  So, right now, with just 46 players under contract, for everyone you release, it means that they are replaced by someone making at least ~$500K on the Cap.  That, obviously, then eats into the "savings" that comes from the release.