2016 Salary Cap & Possible Moves

[rmcjacket23]

What do the ravens save if Suggs unexpectedly retires?? And how much would be saved if Dumervil is traded?? I do not like idea of paying 2 older olbs. Anyways cuts could include pitta,Canty,webb,Daryl Smith,Forsett,Elam,arrington,Jimmy Smith traded or cut(if he saves anything significant),monroe(if he saves enough and Tunsil or a left tackle is drafted,signed or traded for,lewis,SS may retire, and Suggs will not embarrass himself if he is not effective returning from Achilles. It would be nice to find a way to dump Jimmy smith. Oz has the ravens cap busted to hell!! Jimmy should never been signed so early. He has been erratic at times even when not injured. He has never been consistent enough to get a contract like that!!

Obviously, a lot of these things above aren't happening.

1. Cutting, trading, or retiring Suggs cost the team more than it does to keep him, so that's not worth discussing further.

2. Trading Doom only frees up like 2.6 million, and you'd never replace his production at that price either, so that's not worth discussing either.

3. Trading Jimmy is illogical...would cost a ton less to keep him than trade him. Not a realistic option either.

Plus, under these suggestions, well be a below .500 team for at least 2-3 years even with great drafts, so needless to say that's not happening.

[Winchester]

Obviously, a lot of these things above aren't happening.

1. Cutting, trading, or retiring Suggs cost the team more than it does to keep him, so that's not worth discussing further.

2. Trading Doom only frees up like 2.6 million, and you'd never replace his production at that price either, so that's not worth discussing either.

3. Trading Jimmy is illogical...would cost a ton less to keep him than trade him. Not a realistic option either.

Plus, under these suggestions, well be a below .500 team for at least 2-3 years even with great drafts, so needless to say that's not happening.

If you are counting on major contributions from Suggs Dumervil and Jimmy for seasons to come you could be very disappointed!! You would prefer Jimmy,Suggs and Dumervil over great drafts?? Words of Jimmy Johnson, Anybody that counts on high priced veterans that are declining or not producing up to their salary must not have any confidence in their draft and coaching process. You honestly do not think great drafting would be better for the team than 2 aging olbs and an overrated overhyped scrub of a cornerback?? How much do you think Suggs and Dumervil will give next year??

[rmcjacket23]

If you are counting on major contributions from Suggs Dumervil and Jimmy for seasons to come you could be very disappointed!! You would prefer Jimmy,Suggs and Dumervil over great drafts?? Words of Jimmy Johnson, Anybody that counts on high priced veterans that are declining or not producing up to their salary must not have any confidence in their draft and coaching process. You honestly do not think great drafting would be better for the team than 2 aging olbs and an overrated overhyped scrub of a cornerback?? How much do you think Suggs and Dumervil will give next year??

It doesn't matter what we count on... it matters what's practical within the structure of the salary cap.

 

Suggs and Jimmy aren't going anywhere... their contract permits anything being done with them. You do realize, again, that under your scenario, if Suggs, Dumervil and Jimmy are not on this team next year, we will have lost unquestionably our two best pass rushers and arguably and a starting caliber corner AND it will cost this team $6.5M MORE in cap space to get rid of them than it would to keep them.

 

I mean literally think about what happens under your strategy...

 

We need two new pass rushing OLBs, a new corner, a new LT, a new MLB and a new WR. And if that wasn't hard enough... you have to do all of that with a whopping roughly $1M in salary cap savings. 

 

Gee, I can't imagine we would have a problem replacing all of those guys. It won't happen in one or even two years either, so enjoy 6-10 until at least 2018.

 

Again, this is why fans aren't consulted in personnel decisions.

[NewJerseyRavens]

At least we should be able to save a lot of money on a kicker. Tucker has been flat out BAD this year. A long-term contract for him at this point is a mistake.

[Winchester]

It doesn't matter what we count on... it matters what's practical within the structure of the salary cap.

Suggs and Jimmy aren't going anywhere... their contract permits anything being done with them. You do realize, again, that under your scenario, if Suggs, Dumervil and Jimmy are not on this team next year, we will have lost unquestionably our two best pass rushers and arguably and a starting caliber corner AND it will cost this team $6.5M MORE in cap space to get rid of them than it would to keep them.

I mean literally think about what happens under your strategy...

We need two new pass rushing OLBs, a new corner, a new LT, a new MLB and a new WR. And if that wasn't hard enough... you have to do all of that with a whopping roughly $1M in salary cap savings.

Gee, I can't imagine we would have a problem replacing all of those guys. It won't happen in one or even two years either, so enjoy 6-10 until at least 2018.

Again, this is why fans aren't consulted in personnel decisions.

It doesn't matter what we count on... it matters what's practical within the structure of the salary cap.

Suggs and Jimmy aren't going anywhere... their contract permits anything being done with them. You do realize, again, that under your scenario, if Suggs, Dumervil and Jimmy are not on this team next year, we will have lost unquestionably our two best pass rushers and arguably and a starting caliber corner AND it will cost this team $6.5M MORE in cap space to get rid of them than it would to keep them.

I mean literally think about what happens under your strategy...

We need two new pass rushing OLBs, a new corner, a new LT, a new MLB and a new WR. And if that wasn't hard enough... you have to do all of that with a whopping roughly $1M in salary cap savings.

Gee, I can't imagine we would have a problem replacing all of those guys. It won't happen in one or even two years either, so enjoy 6-10 until at least 2018.

Again, this is why fans aren't consulted in personnel decisions.

It doesn't matter what we count on... it matters what's practical within the structure of the salary cap.

Suggs and Jimmy aren't going anywhere... their contract permits anything being done with them. You do realize, again, that under your scenario, if Suggs, Dumervil and Jimmy are not on this team next year, we will have lost unquestionably our two best pass rushers and arguably and a starting caliber corner AND it will cost this team $6.5M MORE in cap space to get rid of them than it would to keep them.

I mean literally think about what happens under your strategy...

We need two new pass rushing OLBs, a new corner, a new LT, a new MLB and a new WR. And if that wasn't hard enough... you have to do all of that with a whopping roughly $1M in salary cap savings.

Gee, I can't imagine we would have a problem replacing all of those guys. It won't happen in one or even two years either, so enjoy 6-10 until at least 2018.

Again, this is why fans aren't consulted in personnel decisions.

It doesn't matter what we count on... it matters what's practical within the structure of the salary cap.

Suggs and Jimmy aren't going anywhere... their contract permits anything being done with them. You do realize, again, that under your scenario, if Suggs, Dumervil and Jimmy are not on this team next year, we will have lost unquestionably our two best pass rushers and arguably and a starting caliber corner AND it will cost this team $6.5M MORE in cap space to get rid of them than it would to keep them.

I mean literally think about what happens under your strategy...

We need two new pass rushing OLBs, a new corner, a new LT, a new MLB and a new WR. And if that wasn't hard enough... you have to do all of that with a whopping roughly $1M in salary cap savings.

Gee, I can't imagine we would have a problem replacing all of those guys. It won't happen in one or even two years either, so enjoy 6-10 until at least 2018.

Again, this is why fans aren't consulted in personnel decisions.

It doesn't matter what we count on... it matters what's practical within the structure of the salary cap.

Suggs and Jimmy aren't going anywhere... their contract permits anything being done with them. You do realize, again, that under your scenario, if Suggs, Dumervil and Jimmy are not on this team next year, we will have lost unquestionably our two best pass rushers and arguably and a starting caliber corner AND it will cost this team $6.5M MORE in cap space to get rid of them than it would to keep them.

I mean literally think about what happens under your strategy...

We need two new pass rushing OLBs, a new corner, a new LT, a new MLB and a new WR. And if that wasn't hard enough... you have to do all of that with a whopping roughly $1M in salary cap savings.

Gee, I can't imagine we would have a problem replacing all of those guys. It won't happen in one or even two years either, so enjoy 6-10 until at least 2018.

Again, this is why fans aren't consulted in personnel decisions.

Did I say cut them all?? I said possible cuts. And I asked what the cap savings were. But regardless, the ravens will need 2 edge rushers and a cornerback because Suggs will barely be starting caliber if he returns. And Dumervil will will be decent but you will Notice a drop off. You said ravens would be terrible even with great drafts if Suggs and Dumervil were cut and traded for several seasons to come. Do you really see Dumervil and Suggs especially that big of difference makers for several more years?? lol Homers are so entertaining!! Edited December 7, 2015 by Winchester

[rmcjacket23]

Did I say cut them all?? I said possible cuts. And I asked what the cap savings were. But regardless, the ravens will need 2 edge rushers and a cornerback because Suggs will barely be starting caliber if he returns. And Dumervil will will be decent but you will Notice a drop off. You said ravens would be terrible even with great drafts if Suggs and Dumervil were cut and traded for several seasons to come. Do you really see Dumervil and Suggs especially that big of difference makers for several more years?? lol Homers are so entertaining!!

Sorry, I can't take a guy seriously who quotes the same post five times and doesn't even bother to correct it.

 

If they are possible cuts, then you're basically saying we should cut them. Clearly you don't think much of them, but you also clearly aren't very good at proposing and coming up with solutions, which is kind of the only thing that matters at this point.

 

I said the Ravens would be terrible if they cut those three players because they would be. How do you propose to get two quality pass rushers and a top tier corner in a short period of time when you have no money in FA to spend (because you cut those players) and have a finite number of draft picks? What, do you think high quality players just grow on trees in the draft and you can just go get them anytime you want? And that's excluding the other guys you want to cut, like our LT, MLB and WRs.

 

The elite of the elite NFL franchises in terms of drafting whiff on well over 50% of their draft picks. Stop and think about that for a few minutes before we just start playing the "lets just cut everybody game".

 

I'm fine with playing that game if you want, as long as YOU as a fan are realistic enough to understand that you ain't getting a playoff appearance anytime soon with that strategy. If you are fine with that, so be it, then your opinion is valid. 

 

I have yet to see a single person post on here who thinks we can cut a whole bunch of players, rebuild, and still expect to win anytime soon (within the next two years). That's largely preposterous, and I'd expect most fans to know that.

Edited December 7, 2015 by rmcjacket23

[atomicfront]

There is next to no one to cut to save money.  Here is who we could cut and the money we would save:

 

Daryl Smith 2.6 million

Steve Smith 3 million

Justin Forsett 2.3 million

Chis Canty 2.15 million

Kyle Arrington 1.4 million

Will Hill 2.8 million

Webb 3.5 million

Elvis Dummervil 2.6 million

 

Ok Webb has been our best corner.  You aren't going to get a decent Corner for 3.5 million he stays

 

Will Hill has been outstanding.  He stays

 

Elvis has been our only pass rusher he stays

 

Kyle Arrington - he is gone .  Save 1.4 million

 

Chris Canty - pretty solid player and cheap.  However we have a lot of young linemen.  I say he gets cut saving 2.15 million

 

Steve Smith - probably retires saving 3 million

 

Daryl Smith - Leading tackler.  Seems to do well except against the pass.  I don't know if you keep him or just put Orr there.  I say we keep him as he is still pretty cheap.

 

Forsett - Pretty good runner.  But we need to save money wherever wee can.  2.3 million savings to cut.

 

so 2.3 + 3 + 2.15 + 1.4 = 8.85 million.  And you lose Forsett, Canty and Steve Smith.  Not exactly the best news.  

 

Pitta will be cut post June 1st to save the team 5 million. 

[Ravens4Real]

Too many aging players with big contracts that are not producing on this team. That going along with big contracts to younger guys that simply aren't performing at all.

Injuries are apart of the game and everyone has already seen what happens to this team when those start piling up. We are going to have to start injury free next year to compete.

[A Fish Called Yanda]

Too many aging players with big contracts that are not producing on this team. That going along with big contracts to younger guys that simply aren't performing at all.

Injuries are apart of the game and everyone has already seen what happens to this team when those start piling up. We are going to have to start injury free next year to compete.

 

This is true of almost every team in the NFL.  We have been absolutely decimated by injuries these past two years and it has shown in our record.  One of the main reasons that the Bengals are looking so good this year (and getting love from the media about being best in the AFC) is because none of their main pieces have been injured - they are probably the healthiest team in the NFL right now.

[GrimCoconut]

 

Daryl Smith - Leading tackler.  Seems to do well except against the pass.  I don't know if you keep him or just put Orr there.  I say we keep him as he is still pretty cheap.

 

I think Smith may well get cut. I like him, but I think his time is up here. Just my guess. Could be wrong, though, and I wouldn't mind if we kept him around. 

[DenverRaven]

I think Smith may well get cut. I like him, but I think his time is up here. Just my guess. Could be wrong, though, and I wouldn't mind if we kept him around. 

 

Feels as though he is slowly being phased out. He's a great player, but I suspect he is a cut casualty this spring.

[ccflraven]

This team is always against the cap and has zero playmakers 

[GrimCoconut]

Feels as though he is slowly being phased out. He's a great player, but I suspect he is a cut casualty this spring.

Yeah. I noticed he has been rotating with the young guys (mainly Orr) lately. I think his time is coming to an end. I think this is his last year here. I liked him while  he was here. Really good player. Terribly underrated. 

[Sami84]

Yeah. I noticed he has been rotating with the young guys (mainly Orr) lately. I think his time is coming to an end. I think this is his last year here. I liked him while  he was here. Really good player. Terribly underrated. 

 

around 2009-2011 i had him as the best linebacker in football. People can scoff at me and bring up more illustrious names..but thats how good i thought he was.

[GrimCoconut]

around 2009-2011 i had him as the best linebacker in football. People can scoff at me and bring up more illustrious names..but thats how good i thought he was.

Yeah, he was a damn fine LB. Really a shame he never went to the Pro Bowl. I guess playing for the Jaguars does that to your life.

[Deflated Football]

When do we exit cap hell?

[GrimCoconut]

When do we exit cap hell?

Never. Just when you think you're about to leave, you learn there's a new level! 

[allblackraven]

Never. Just when you think you're about to leave, you learn there's a new level! 

Lol, true. And when you think your cap is at least going to where it's supposed to, there's a drunken night followed by the lift altercation and twice dislocated hip.

[Culpepper]

I don't know a ton about our cap situation, can we cut anyone to clear space?

[Tru11]

I don't know a ton about our cap situation, can we cut anyone to clear space?

 

 

the players that create the most space are the veteran quality guys who will be not be so easy to replace.

 

for instance cutting webb could clear some space but the money that you save wont get you a player of the same caliber nor do we have 1 on the roster and the draft is always a guessing game.

 

daryl smith is another guy who can be cut but we should hope either brown or orr takes the next step or there is a cheaper FA/rookie that can come in and replace him.

[usmccharles]

the players that create the most space are the veteran quality guys who will be not be so easy to replace.

 

for instance cutting webb could clear some space but the money that you save wont get you a player of the same caliber nor do we have 1 on the roster and the draft is always a guessing game.

 

daryl smith is another guy who can be cut but we should hope either brown or orr takes the next step or there is a cheaper FA/rookie that can come in and replace him.

This.  I dont think a lot of fans take this into consideration when saying we should cut so and so. We will make cuts for sure, but i dont expect to see too many of our veterans gone.  I thihk Forset is the most interesting with how Allen has been playing, but then again Forset is pretty cheap.  Im still baffled at the money we gave schaub

[Winchester]

It is better to cut some players and eat the money now and clear cap space down the line. Especially players that are aging/mediocre or a combination. And trust your drafting and finding young free agents ready to break out but have not done so yet. Ozzie throws $$ way to fast at erratic,aging and injured players!! With no way out of the contracts!! Monroe,Jimmy,Rice,Webb,Pitta. Suggs will be 34 next season and cutting him doesn't save Jack!!

[Tru11]

its only better if you are rebuilding that season.

 

if you plan on making the play offs it would not be the smartest thing to do.

[usmccharles]

its only better if you are rebuilding that season.

 

if you plan on making the play offs it would not be the smartest thing to do.

Your example of webb is prime example.  but i dont think some people will ever understand how the process works, that just cutting a player doesnt exactly mean you get a better player out of it.  To some's likings, we would cut 3 or 4 players just to sign one guy....

[Tru11]

Your example of webb is prime example.  but i dont think some people will ever understand how the process works, that just cutting a player doesnt exactly mean you get a better player out of it.  To some's likings, we would cut 3 or 4 players just to sign one guy....

 

yup.

 

cutting good players to create cap is only going to weaken the team overall especially if you spend all the freed cap on 1 dude.

 

you are going to put alot of eggs in 1 basket banking on unknown to take the step.

 

if people want a repeat of this season then by all means cut all the good players and see where it ends lol.

 

what will strike me the most though is that people are still going to have high expectations if we do that....

[sflegend89]

Cary Williams released by Seattle, I hear he's been terrible this year but I still consider him an option. Cary was never great in our defense, definitely had some shortcomings, but overall got the job done opposite Jimmy Smith on the outside. The cap situation is tight so I see Cary as a corner we can get on a discount.. who actually has a real shot at turning it around and being a productive player

[Tru11]

Cary Williams released by Seattle, I hear he's been terrible this year but I still consider him an option. Cary was never great in our defense, definitely had some shortcomings, but overall got the job done opposite Jimmy Smith on the outside. The cap situation is tight so I see Cary as a corner we can get on a discount.. who actually has a real shot at turning it around and being a productive player

 

if he cant get it done on a stacked defense like the hawks there is no way he is going to last here lol.

[DenverRaven]

It is better to cut some players and eat the money now and clear cap space down the line. Especially players that are aging/mediocre or a combination. And trust your drafting and finding young free agents ready to break out but have not done so yet. Ozzie throws $$ way to fast at erratic,aging and injured players!! With no way out of the contracts!! Monroe,Jimmy,Rice,Webb,Pitta. Suggs will be 34 next season and cutting him doesn't save Jack!!

 

Suggs isn't going anywhere, and he shouldn't. As long as he comes back healthy, he has another couple years in him.

[rmcjacket23]

It is better to cut some players and eat the money now and clear cap space down the line. Especially players that are aging/mediocre or a combination. And trust your drafting and finding young free agents ready to break out but have not done so yet. Ozzie throws $$ way to fast at erratic,aging and injured players!! With no way out of the contracts!! Monroe,Jimmy,Rice,Webb,Pitta. Suggs will be 34 next season and cutting him doesn't save Jack!!

Eating the money now has no impact on future cap space. The dead money is the exact same regardless of when its recognized.

[Sami84]

we must keep KO.

 

This would be like losing McPhee ( maybe worse) 

 

he's young and a stud guard. Got to keep him . I expect whatever cap space we open up with cuts and restricting to be geared towards retaining him.