Orioles Off-Season 2015-2016

[BmoreBird22]

I'd feel real good about the upcoming season if they got Cespedes, too

 

Would it really be unreasonable to assume that Cespedes could sign for $90M over 5 years and be on the same team as Chris Davis? 

Sigh, if Angelos were willing to pony up, he could have a real solid team.

Edited January 16, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[cobrajet]

I am also keeping my fingers crossed that the Cespedes offer is still on the table. Our lineup would be very formidable with him also on it. IMHO, our lineup would be able to put up the type of runs the Blue Jays put up last season when they added all the offense.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

I'm okay with the deal if it doesn't prevent them from spending on money on other critical needs. Still think it is a bit too much though.

[BmoreBird22]

I am also keeping my fingers crossed that the Cespedes offer is still on the table. Our lineup would be very formidable with him also on it. IMHO, our lineup would be able to put up the type of runs the Blue Jays put up last season when they added all the offense.

Well, in addition to that, Cespedes is just a really great all around player. He'd instantly be a defensive upgrade to anything the Orioles featured in the corner field anytime recently. A fairly average glove, but a monster arm that would save a lot of extra bases.

[Moderator 3]

The sense I'm getting from Twitter is that Cespedes wanted more than what Davis got. Don't see that happening now. Need another pitcher.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

The sense I'm getting from Twitter is that Cespedes wanted more than what Davis got. Don't see that happening now. Need another pitcher.

I heard that he wanted around $200 million. If that is true, no way would I pay him that.

[BmoreBird22]

The sense I'm getting from Twitter is that Cespedes wanted more than what Davis got. Don't see that happening now. Need another pitcher.

He was mulling over the Orioles offer of 5 years, $90M at one point, so that's a big swing to seek $200M, even though he'd likely be worth as much as Davis. 

[BmoreBird22]

Interesting note about the Davis deal, and one that makes it even better:

This is actually a seven year deal worth $119M, making it $17M per year, not $23M. The reason being is that the Orioles deferred $6M per year to be paid out over some ridiculously long time. What this means is that the Orioles will have $6M extra to spend over the duration of his contract at the expense of losing $3M for a few years and then like $1.5M for the duration of the $42M that needs to be paid out. 

 

Assuming that Peter Angelos is done before the contract is up (he is 86), the lost $3M will likely be nothing to the next owner.

[Gordo52]

Where are we seeing Cespedes wants more/around what CD got?

Edit: Ok finally found somewhere that says 6year, 22 mill a year. I can't see that happening but I've been wrong before. Not buying a team giving anywhere near that though.

Edited January 17, 2016 by Gordo52

[JEEPercreepermd]

I'm glad they were able to retain Davis, but they still need another outfielder and a pitcher! 

 

I am also keeping my fingers crossed that the Cespedes offer is still on the table. Our lineup would be very formidable with him also on it. IMHO, our lineup would be able to put up the type of runs the Blue Jays put up last season when they added all the offense.

 

 

Here's the thing though, you're not going to be able to out slug everyone. I mean, with the lineup they have now there's STILL a ton of power bats..

 

You've got Jones and Machado who can both hit over 30 home runs, Weiters should be good for 20, Davis is a safe bet to hit 30 on a down year, I'm looking for Schoop to hit 20+, Hardy when healthy is capable of hitting 20, then you've got Trumbo who should be able to hit 25-30 considering all of the small parks in the AL East.

  

  The Orioles need a good defensive outfielder who has speed and can get on base, and A PITCHER. 

 

Our current rotation..

Tillman

Gonzalez

Gauzman

Jiminez

????????

  I'd be OK with them adding Gallardo or Fister  to be the 4th or 5th starter. 

[cobrajet]

I'm glad they were able to retain Davis, but they still need another outfielder and a pitcher! 

 

 

 

Here's the thing though, you're not going to be able to out slug everyone. I mean, with the lineup they have now there's STILL a ton of power bats..

 

You've got Jones and Machado who can both hit over 30 home runs, Weiters should be good for 20, Davis is a safe bet to hit 30 on a down year, I'm looking for Schoop to hit 20+, Hardy when healthy is capable of hitting 20, then you've got Trumbo who should be able to hit 25-30 considering all of the small parks in the AL East.

  

  The Orioles need a good defensive outfielder who has speed and can get on base, and A PITCHER. 

 

Our current rotation..

Tillman

Gonzalez

Gauzman

Jiminez

????????

  I'd be OK with them adding Gallardo or Fister  to be the 4th or 5th starter. 

We definitely need starting pitching help. I was reading articles today on yahoo that pretty much said with the Davis signing, we are now out of the running for Cepedes for which I pretty much thought since he is looking for 9 figures and will probably get it.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm glad they were able to retain Davis, but they still need another outfielder and a pitcher! 

 

 

 

Here's the thing though, you're not going to be able to out slug everyone. I mean, with the lineup they have now there's STILL a ton of power bats..

 

You've got Jones and Machado who can both hit over 30 home runs, Weiters should be good for 20, Davis is a safe bet to hit 30 on a down year, I'm looking for Schoop to hit 20+, Hardy when healthy is capable of hitting 20, then you've got Trumbo who should be able to hit 25-30 considering all of the small parks in the AL East.

  

  The Orioles need a good defensive outfielder who has speed and can get on base, and A PITCHER. 

 

Our current rotation..

Tillman

Gonzalez

Gauzman

Jiminez

????????

  I'd be OK with them adding Gallardo or Fister  to be the 4th or 5th starter. 

Well, the thing with Cespedes is that he's probably the best defensive outfielder left on the free agent market and he's probably the biggest game breaker left. I don't know a ton about Upton, but after the Orioles missed out on Hayward, all I heard about was how Cespedes was the best remaining outfielder. 

 

Plus, adding another 30 home runs per year to an already deep power rotation? That's fine with me. Game-breaking offensive power with the strongest arm in the outfield? That's fine with me.

 

As for the rotation, if they signed Gallardo, I'd hope he'd be higher in the rotation than fifth. He would be at least a two or three on this team. The one pitcher I would not sleep on his Vance Worley. He's putting up similar numbers consistently to most Orioles pitchers, but he's had two stellar seasons of an ERA of 3.01 or less. If he can regain that form, he'd be an absolute steal for the fifth pitcher spot.

 

Also, would have to imagine that Dylan Bundy factors in somewhere as well. He's out of minor league options, so if the Orioles leave him in the minors, they're subjecting him to waivers and do we really think that's gonna keep him on the Orioles? They're gonna have to let him compete for a spot in the rotation, even if I don't think he wins it.

Edited January 17, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[rmw10]

Well, the thing with Cespedes is that he's probably the best defensive outfielder left on the free agent market and he's probably the biggest game breaker left. I don't know a ton about Upton, but after the Orioles missed out on Hayward, all I heard about was how Cespedes was the best remaining outfielder. 

 

Plus, adding another 30 home runs per year to an already deep power rotation? That's fine with me. Game-breaking offensive power with the strongest arm in the outfield? That's fine with me.

 

As for the rotation, if they signed Gallardo, I'd hope he'd be higher in the rotation than fifth. He would be at least a two or three on this team. The one pitcher I would not sleep on his Vance Worley. He's putting up similar numbers consistently to most Orioles pitchers, but he's had two stellar seasons of an ERA of 3.01 or less. If he can regain that form, he'd be an absolute steal for the fifth pitcher spot.

 

Also, would have to imagine that Dylan Bundy factors in somewhere as well. He's out of minor league options, so if the Orioles leave him in the minors, they're subjecting him to waivers and do we really think that's gonna keep him on the Orioles? They're gonna have to let him compete for a spot in the rotation, even if I don't think he wins it.

 

We really need a lefty for that rotation.  I'm somewhat interested in Cliff Lee (depending on price and health, of course) as a flier.  He might be too much and hasn't thrown a pitch in a year and a half, but he'd potentially be a top of the rotation option for us.  He's only looking for a one year deal.  It's more in line with the Orioles type of risk which is only one year worth of money as opposed to three or four.

[Steve0x]

No more excuses from Mr Angelos office. We all know now he can spend the money when he really wants to. Theres no excuse why he couldn't resign Nelson Cruz and Andrew Miller last year. 

[Steve0x]

The Orioles re-signing of Chris Davis seemed to take a lot of the baseball world by surprise. It certainly took the Camden Chat population by surprise. Will it prove to be a good deal? Will it prove to be an awful one? Right now, absolutely no one knows, not even the Orioles, who will be paying Davis $119 million over the next seven years and a total of $161 million once all deferred money is paid. Knowing nothing is never going to stop the hot take machine from firing up.

There was a notable split in the tenor of the opinions on the contract based on whether or not the individual writers raced to post their thoughts before the news of the deferred money was reported. The deferred money renders obsolete a lot of objections along the lines of, "The Orioles bid against themselves!" but it doesn't settle concerns over when and how Davis will decline.

http://www.camdenchat.com/2016/1/17/10782716/orioles-news-chris-davis-contract-reactions

So,,In other words,, If O's didn't re sign him guess who gets the blame? Peter Angelos. And you guys know it. I say now lets give the man a break. He resigned Chris Davis and just maybe this franchise will turn around back into those glory years of championship style of O's baseball. I loved the 70s era my god i like to see it again.

 

[JEEPercreepermd]

Well, the thing with Cespedes is that he's probably the best defensive outfielder left on the free agent market and he's probably the biggest game breaker left. I don't know a ton about Upton, but after the Orioles missed out on Hayward, all I heard about was how Cespedes was the best remaining outfielder. 

 

Plus, adding another 30 home runs per year to an already deep power rotation? That's fine with me. Game-breaking offensive power with the strongest arm in the outfield? That's fine with me.

 

As for the rotation, if they signed Gallardo, I'd hope he'd be higher in the rotation than fifth. He would be at least a two or three on this team. The one pitcher I would not sleep on his Vance Worley. He's putting up similar numbers consistently to most Orioles pitchers, but he's had two stellar seasons of an ERA of 3.01 or less. If he can regain that form, he'd be an absolute steal for the fifth pitcher spot.

 

Also, would have to imagine that Dylan Bundy factors in somewhere as well. He's out of minor league options, so if the Orioles leave him in the minors, they're subjecting him to waivers and do we really think that's gonna keep him on the Orioles? They're gonna have to let him compete for a spot in the rotation, even if I don't think he wins it.

 

I definitely hear that, and It would be awesome if they DID get Cespedes but it doesn't look like it at this point...you never know though. I think the Orioles best hope is for him to go the way of Cruz and take a 1 year deal to get that big payday next year...Weiters essentially did the same thing by accepting the qualifying offer. 

  I was just saying that from a power standpoint, the lineup is still going to probably be top 5 or top 3 in home runs most likely. 

    As far as Bundy goes, they are stuck in a rough spot. I'm sure if it were up to Douquette and Buck, he'd be in Bowie until september. But as you said, he doesn't have any options so they are going to have to keep him on the roster or take the risk of him having to clear waivers..which won't happen. They are unwilling and otherwise can't trade him, because they won't get nearly as much value in return due to the tommy john surgery. So they pretty much are going to have to keep him in the bullpen, let him get some innings in as a long man then challenge for a rotation spot next year. 

  The thing that sucks is that pre- tommy john, he was actually pitching great in spring training and there was some talk of him actually being in the rotation. So fingers crossed, his arm is good and next year he bursts on to the scene..

[Cville-Raven]

Cespedes would be more of a luxury signing at this point. We definitely need more help in our pitching staff. I'm not that optimistic we push hard for a pitcher but I'm hoping Gausman takes the next step.

[52520Andrew]

Who is even out there at pitcher, at this point we may want tobtry to target someone at the trade deadline.

[balfan23]

No more excuses from Mr Angelos office. We all know now he can spend the money when he really wants to. Theres no excuse why he couldn't resign Nelson Cruz and Andrew Miller last year. 

I feel like he saw the result of not signing Cruz last year and decided not to repeat the mistake. 

[BmoreBird22]

Who is even out there at pitcher, at this point we may want tobtry to target someone at the trade deadline.

A little late, but Yovani Gallardo and Doug Fister are the two hot names on the market right now.

Gallardo is incredibly durable and pitches quite a few innings (I believe he averaged 194 innings over the last five seasons), has a very respectable ERA, and strikes out a lot of batters. However, he has a fairly high WHIP and hits per nine inning average. 

 

Fister, on the other hand, has struggled recently with health and has seen his velocity decline (I think he's throwing a fastball at like 85 MPH right now). His ERA has ballooned as he's struggled to stay healthy. However, I wanna say during the 2014 season, he owned a ridiculously good ERA (like 2.41) and he has a much lower WHIP than Chen and Gallardo do. He also has a really high ground ball percentage, which perfectly plays into the Orioles defense. Also, from 2011 to 2014, he had a career ERA of 3.11, which ranked 11th in the majors, and an ERA+ which ranked fifth in the majors. The key is going to be gaining his health back and putting 2015 behind him. 

 

Personally, I was all about getting Gallardo, but the Orioles don't seem content to actually give up the 14th pick and sign him to a deal that would average close to $13M over four years. With Fister, the Orioles can negotiate the length of the deal they desire (two or three years) and he'll likely come cheaper, like say $10M per year over a shorter time period. 

 

At this point, I'm wanting Doug Fister signed and Vance Worley to be given a chance. Worley had a 3.01 ERA in 2011 and a 2.85 ERA in 2014. He's been super up and down, but he's at least flashed two extremely bright seasons in the majors.

Also, Bundy is going to be on the Orioles for the entire season, unless they want to risk losing him to waivers (which they will certainly do if they option him). So, he's a name to watch out for as the fifth man in the rotation, although, it seems more likely be starts in the bullpen.

Edited January 24, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[Steve0x]

O's line up looks like a Dangerous line up now. they're stacked of bats. Its the Pitching they need to sign. They're gonna lose a close 1 run games like 7-6 8-7 or even 9-8 

Matt Wieters

Adam Jones

Chris Davis 

Mark Trumbo

Kim

Manny Machado

 

Oh my!

Edited January 24, 2016 by Steve0x

[cobrajet]

I would mind signing Gallardo. I don't want to give up the #14 pick but we really need starting pitching!

[BmoreBird22]

Steve Pierce was signed by the Rays.

[rmw10]

37 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

I would mind signing Gallardo. I don't want to give up the #14 pick but we really need starting pitching!

Probably a prospect that we'd ruin anyways. We don't exactly have a great track record of developing plays. I mean, the farm system is awful. I get that it'll cost money, but at least it's proven talent. 

[cobrajet]

Just now, rmw10 said:

Probably a prospect that we'd ruin anyways. We don't exactly have a great track record of developing plays. I mean, the farm system is awful. I get that it'll cost money, but at least it's proven talent. 

I agree, Fister has me worried that he will not be able to get back to what he was and I feel Gallardo could be a decent replacement for Chen. I would feel a lot better going into this season if we had another decent starting pitcher like Gallardo. I would feel that we were at least going into the season as good or a little better than we were last season. Last season, I was upset losing Cruz and Miller and not really adding much.

[Moderator 3]

Seeing some exciting stuff coming up on Twitter:

 

Gallardo, O's moving close to a deal. Talk is 3 guaranteed years (buyout also possible). Not done yet.

Gallardo is 3-0 with 1.33 ERA in 3 career starts vs. Jays. Yes, the #orioles have noticed

Career ERAs:
3.66 - Gallardo
3.82 - Gonzalez
4.01 - Jimenez
4.20 - Tillman
4.21 - Gausman

[rmw10]

12 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Seeing some exciting stuff coming up on Twitter:

 

Gallardo, O's moving close to a deal. Talk is 3 guaranteed years (buyout also possible). Not done yet.

Gallardo is 3-0 with 1.33 ERA in 3 career starts vs. Jays. Yes, the #orioles have noticed

Career ERAs:
3.66 - Gallardo
3.82 - Gonzalez
4.01 - Jimenez
4.20 - Tillman
4.21 - Gausman

I like Gallardo, but I still think we're missing a lefty in the rotation.

[cobrajet]

16 minutes ago, Moderator 3 said:

Seeing some exciting stuff coming up on Twitter:

 

Gallardo, O's moving close to a deal. Talk is 3 guaranteed years (buyout also possible). Not done yet.

Gallardo is 3-0 with 1.33 ERA in 3 career starts vs. Jays. Yes, the #orioles have noticed

Career ERAs:
3.66 - Gallardo
3.82 - Gonzalez
4.01 - Jimenez
4.20 - Tillman
4.21 - Gausman

Ok Orioles, get it done!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[52520Andrew]

Don't we give up a high pick by signing Gallardo? We may not have much of a choice with our pitching though

[rmw10]

3 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Don't we give up a high pick by signing Gallardo? We may not have much of a choice with our pitching though

14th overall pick, but our chances of actually developing that prospect are slim lol