I believe in Buck Allen

[Shammy]

i like what he's doing but running backs can be a flash in the pan but he has a lot of promise hopefully it builds

[gtalk12]

out of the backfield he is showing to be a playmaker, watch the dolphins game. i hope he continues the trend

[PurpleCity5]

Well I also thought Pierce was going to be our future back after his stellar rookie campaign and then he turned into a dud. So I will reserve judgement.

To be honest, Pierce did not seem to be a fit for Kubiak's ZBS. The guy's biggest weakness is vision while Buck fits in this mold of offense.

Edited December 7, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[K-Dog]

Forsette job is safe.

[xxhighriser]

Probably easy to forget about him but Tali was growing into a starting back before injuries. I expect both of them to spilt touches and be our duo for the future

[Ravens4Real]

We will see how he does this week against the Seahawks. Browns and Dolphins are two of the worst run D and total overall defenses in the league. It will be a good test to see where he is at against the Seahawks.

[GrimCoconut]

We will see how he does this week against the Seahawks. Browns and Dolphins are two of the worst run D and total overall defenses in the league. It will be a good test to see where he is at against the Seahawks.

Honestly, that might not even be fair. With the way things are going, we're losing weapons fast on offense. Seriously, we are struggling with offensive weapons now. This offense is like the ice cream container that's been scooped clean and we're the little kids licking the base of the container for that last taste of sweetness. It's just not going to work. 

 

The Seahawks could shut him down by stacking the box and daring us to pass. That's probably what they will do, honestly. Schaub is not good and he's been most effective using the run to set up the play action pass. While people will come and turn this into a Flacco thread, I want to avoid that so please abstain here. This isn't the place. My point is that Schaub will not likely be effective against this team, and will rely on the run like always to throw the ball. He was most effective last game and against the Browns when we did that formula. Unfortunately, with no Gillmore (unlikely, IMO) & definitely no Boyle, and if Williams can't even play, I do not like this team's chances against the Seahawks at all. They're not even that good, but we are not in a good spot right now. 

[Ravenseconbeast]

Allen's timing improved tremendously. He is still going to be that straight cut and run type of guy. But he is showing progress.

Of course, he can lose it the very next game, and this hype can die out real quickly. I hope it doesnt. He has to battle and think on the field. Keep getting better.

Seattle Sea hawks game is going to be interesting.

[RaineV1]

Allen is showing amazing vision. I don't know if it's just the RB coach doing a good job of teaching or if he learned it from Forsett. Either way, he's exactly what Trestman wants in a RB.

[52liveforever]

Allen is showing amazing vision. I don't know if it's just the RB coach doing a good job of teaching or if he learned it from Forsett. Either way, he's exactly what Trestman wants in a RB.

 

If you watch the tape of him at USC he always had pretty good vision. The knock on him was he stands straight up. That hasn't really seemed to be an issue as he lowers his pad level just before impact.

[martinman89]

Javoris Buck Allen is turning into a key contributor in our offense in wake of Forsett and Flacco's absence. I enjoy watching Buck play despite our lack-luster season. I also believe he will develop into a star player with the Ravens. With that said, we will have 4 quality RB's next season with Forsett, Allen, West and lets not forget Lorenzo Taliaferro. Its hard to imagine we'll be able to keep all these players on your active roster next season. If this season tells us anything, we need to rebuild and rebuild means looking to our youth. I like Forsett and believe he has earned every dime of his contract but the organization has cut ties with players before. For the sake of cap space next season I believe Forsett will be cut. I believe in the talent we have behind Forsett and for that reason he needs to get cut. Albeit, Ozzie made a big mistake doing so with our receiving corps this year. At least we know our RBs will produce. 

Edited December 8, 2015 by martinman89

[RaineV1]

I just hope that people won't turn against him or assume his earlier success was a fluke if he has a bad game against the Seahawks. Their defense even shut down Adrian Peterson.

[usmccharles]

I just hope that people won't turn against him or assume his earlier success was a fluke if he has a bad game against the Seahawks. Their defense even shut down Adrian Peterson.

He had an awesome game sunday...and everyone is showing love...lets wait and see how much they love him when he goes 13 for 37 yards.  I may have to eat my words on his assesment, as i said i was never impressed with him before but he looked great, but just want to see more of him.  Im excited.  Hopefully we actually run the ball though....no idea why we got away from the run. 

[GrimCoconut]

He had an awesome game sunday...and everyone is showing love...lets wait and see how much they love him when he goes 13 for 37 yards. I may have to eat my words on his assesment, as i said i was never impressed with him before but he looked great, but just want to see more of him. Im excited. Hopefully we actually run the ball though....no idea why we got away from the run.

I just hope that people won't turn against him or assume his earlier success was a fluke if he has a bad game against the Seahawks. Their defense even shut down Adrian Peterson.

This is a tough matchup regardless. It's not easy for an offense to succeed if the defense knows what it'll do. Schaub is at his best when he gets to use the play action. It's hard for him to beat a defense without that. I saw it last week and the week before. When we relied on Schaub to beat them through the air without them expecting a run, it typically didn't work out well for us. Schaub had his most success when Allen and West set up the play action. I'm not sure he'll have that luxury this week since the Seahawks have capable players in the secondary and a good defense all around. They can also stack the box and still beat the pass, which will complicate our success.

I think a better test/barometer for Allen will come against KC.

Edited December 8, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Moderator 3]

I just hope that people won't turn against him or assume his earlier success was a fluke if he has a bad game against the Seahawks. Their defense even shut down Adrian Peterson.

Good advice. I've learned never to judge a player by his best or worst game. I have to see him perform over an extended period before making up my mind.

[wizard1]

I think a much better example of Allen's over-hyped talents are that his 2 big games came against a terrible tackling Browns team and a lackluster group of linebackers on a defensively flimsy Dolphins team. Look I understand we are looking for bright spots in this offense but let's not name him the prodigal. He is undersized and slow. Just ask yourself one question-Would Buck Allen be a starter on any other team in the NFL except the Ravens who really have no options! He is NOT the next Matt Forte SHEESH

[izvoodoo]

I think a much better example of Allen's over-hyped talents are that his 2 big games came against a terrible tackling Browns team and a lackluster group of linebackers on a defensively flimsy Dolphins team. Look I understand we are looking for bright spots in this offense but let's not name him the prodigal. He is undersized and slow. Just ask yourself one question-Would Buck Allen be a starter on any other team in the NFL except the Ravens who really have no options! He is NOT the next Matt Forte SHEESH

He's listed at 6'0 220 lbs.  I'd hardly call that undersized.  And by the eye test he looks like a starting NFL running back.  

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Next season I believe we have Forsett, Allen, West and Tali as RB's and I would personally like to see an open competition for the position. As far as the subject of Allen goes my answer is YES I like Allen and have been impressed with him as well as West the last few games. Both run hard and pick up blitzes.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I just hope that people won't turn against him or assume his earlier success was a fluke if he has a bad game against the Seahawks. Their defense even shut down Adrian Peterson.

Great point. We have seen it on this site before how fast people try to change their minds over a single performance.

[JoeyFlex5]

Well I also thought Pierce was going to be our future back after his stellar rookie campaign and then he turned into a dud. So I will reserve judgement.

that should obviously be reason to temper expectations but pierce was very raw and rumored to not really care about football and was a bit of a case, buck is a very high character guy, a very well rounded and polished back, maybe not as natural a running talent but a much brighter young man with a more useful nfl skill set

[ALPHA]

Buck seems to me like a typical #3 back, but I don't think he's reached physical maturity and could make a big jump with another year in the weight room.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Buck could be a future stud for us.  He has all the tools with the right combo of speed strength and grit.  He could be our Matt Forte.  Give him a better OL like Forsett's 2014 OL and he's a stud.  Now with West backing him up, we have a valid 1-2 punch. 

 

Forsett has an equal chance of being cut as he has to stay as a #2 or #3 RB.  He's $2.3M cap savings if cut but Ozzie doesn;t like to cut good character guys.  Same for Taliaferro coming back.  He's a $500k savings and has been fragile with a capital F.  That said, he IS just $675k and Ozzie might let his contract play out.  But it really depends on how well everyone else plays the comparatively next season.

[wizard1]

Buck seems to me like a typical #3 back, but I don't think he's reached physical maturity and could make a big jump with another year in the weight room.

 

Buck could be a future stud for us.  He has all the tools with the right combo of speed strength and grit.  He could be our Matt Forte.  Give him a better OL like Forsett's 2014 OL and he's a stud.  Now with West backing him up, we have a valid 1-2 punch. 

 

Forsett has an equal chance of being cut as he has to stay as a #2 or #3 RB.  He's $2.3M cap savings if cut but Ozzie doesn;t like to cut good character guys.  Same for Taliaferro coming back.  He's a $500k savings and has been fragile with a capital F.  That said, he IS just $675k and Ozzie might let his contract play out.  But it really depends on how well everyone else plays the comparatively next season.

 

 

Where is this coming from. Allen had a decent game against a crummy defensive team in the Dolphins and an average game against a horrible Browns team. A runner like AP would have had 200 yards against the Browns. Are you serious with Terrence West? That guy is a joke at running back and always has been. A grand total of 792 yards in his career? He has more fumbles than touchdowns. Come on Man

[wizard1]

Buck seems to me like a typical #3 back, but I don't think he's reached physical maturity and could make a big jump with another year in the weight room.

 

That is hilarious. Another year in the weight room? How does that help a running backs speed and quickness to the next level. You saw what happened to Ray Rice after another year in the weight room. Allen is just not that good plain and simple. He is not the next Matt Forte. I understand wanting a spark for this team but not on the shoulders of Buck Allen. Watch what happens when he plays against a real defensive team like the Seahawks. I can tell you for sure. Less that 50 yards from scrimmage for him and that's being kind. I can absolutely guarantee that prediction!

[usmccharles]

Where is this coming from. Allen had a decent game against a crummy defensive team in the Dolphins and an average game against a horrible Browns team. A runner like AP would have had 200 yards against the Browns. Are you serious with Terrence West? That guy is a joke at running back and always has been. A grand total of 792 yards in his career? He has more fumbles than touchdowns. Come on Man

Incorrect.  He has a whopping 5 career TDs with 3 lost fumbles.  But im with you...I dont see anything special, hes a JAG

[wizard1]

Incorrect.  He has a whopping 5 career TDs with 3 lost fumbles.  But im with you...I dont see anything special, hes a JAG

 Thanks ! Glad we finally agree on something lol

 

I totally understand wanting to see some kind of spark for our offense but not these guys. To be honest I see some long term potential with Crockett Gilmore and Kamar Aiken is a really good number 2 but that's pretty much it. I think we are in the beginning of a long-term rebuilding process and it's will start with us and our salary cap issues which is gonna take some time.

[usmccharles]

 Thanks ! Glad we finally agree on something lol

 

I totally understand wanting to see some kind of spark for our offense but not these guys. To be honest I see some long term potential with Crockett Gilmore and Kamar Aiken is a really good number 2 but that's pretty much it. I think we are in the beginning of a long-term rebuilding process and it's will start with us and our salary cap issues which is gonna take some time.

Tell me about it lol

 

Gilmore im prolly most excited about after numerous times seeing him drag guys into the endzone, the TD in oakland was pretty beastly.  Not saying hes going to be gronk, but i think he will be our future TE.  I posted before about how he was basically on pace for the same season Pitta had when everyone fell in love with him.  Im still not there with Aiken, as a 3 yes but i dont like him as a 2.  That being said, he might be able to put up good numbers with a true number here where he draws the lesser of the CB.  Im hoping to see a lot more of Butler though. 

[wizard1]

Tell me about it lol

 

Gilmore im prolly most excited about after numerous times seeing him drag guys into the endzone, the TD in oakland was pretty beastly.  Not saying hes going to be gronk, but i think he will be our future TE.  I posted before about how he was basically on pace for the same season Pitta had when everyone fell in love with him.  Im still not there with Aiken, as a 3 yes but i dont like him as a 2.  That being said, he might be able to put up good numbers with a true number here where he draws the lesser of the CB.  Im hoping to see a lot more of Butler though. 

 

I think I agree with you having kamar at number the 3  spot he would fill well and maybe catch 50- to 60  if we can bring the right number one and number 2 and therein lies the problem.I have already given up on Perriman. Have you noticed his chicken shaped legs? They are super small and have to be fragile.I don't think he will play a down in the NFL.

[sflegend89]

I think a much better example of Allen's over-hyped talents are that his 2 big games came against a terrible tackling Browns team and a lackluster group of linebackers on a defensively flimsy Dolphins team. Look I understand we are looking for bright spots in this offense but let's not name him the prodigal. He is undersized and slow. Just ask yourself one question-Would Buck Allen be a starter on any other team in the NFL except the Ravens who really have no options! He is NOT the next Matt Forte SHEESH

 

Are you sure you know who Buck Allen is or have ever watched him play? lol. Buck Allen is 6-1, 215 lbs, boss.. far from undersized, that's exactly the same physical's as Arian Foster, who by the way ran a slower 40 than Buck Allen and has been one of the best RB's in football when he's healthy. Buck is by no means a track star but you can't call him slow, I have zero issues with his speed given his Foster-esque one cut style of running.

 

I'm not proclaiming Buck as a future elite back or anything but give the kid some credit, he's looked dangerous when he get's into space and has done a good job with what he's given in the running game. I find it hard to discredit his competition when his OL is missing THREE starters and the starting QB and two top receivers are on IR. Buck has risen to the occasion, he will have a tough tough game against Seattle but I really like what I've seen from him since taking over as the starter.

Edited December 10, 2015 by sflegend89

[usmccharles]

I think I agree with you having kamar at number the 3  spot he would fill well and maybe catch 50- to 60  if we can bring the right number one and number 2 and therein lies the problem.I have already given up on Perriman. Have you noticed his chicken shaped legs? They are super small and have to be fragile.I don't think he will play a down in the NFL.

Well as we know, i wont go that far with BP.  But if this injury doesnt happen i dont think you ever bring up his leg size. 

 

Are you sure you know who Buck Allen is or have ever watched him play? lol. Buck Allen is 6-1, 215 lbs, boss.. far from undersized, that's exactly the same physical's as Arian Foster, who by the way ran a slower 40 than Buck Allen and has been one of the best RB's in football when he's healthy. Buck is by no means a track star but you can't call him slow, I have zero issues with his speed given his Foster-esque one cut style of running.

 

I'm not proclaiming Buck as a future elite back or anything but give the kid some credit, he's looked dangerous when he get's into space and has done a good job with what he's given in the running game. I find it hard to discredit his competition when his OL is missing THREE starters and the starting QB and two top receivers are on IR. Buck has risen to the occasion, he will have a tough tough game against Seattle but I really like what I've seen from him since taking over as the starter.

I noticed that comparison as well.  Like Ray Lewis said about foster, for a big guy you dont expect him to be as quick as he is and i see the same in Allen.  Im excited for his future hear or at least to see what he's got