[News] The Breakdown: Eisenberg's Five Thoughts At Browns

[rmcjacket23]

yeah. and to be fair, its not all totally on Schaub....he basicalyl hasnt played in two years, he's not used to any of those dudes out there. that second pick he threw was bad timing, Schaub was expecting Aiken to cut back a lot faster than he did.

but still...

Its also entirely possible that's the best game he plays all season. He might do OK against Miami, but when he plays Seattle, KC and even Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, I fear big time struggles are coming.

[Crusader]

What amazes me is Ravens are 11th in Offense and 17th in defense and they have an very bad record. Superbowl 2012 they were 16 Offense and 17 Defense. Insane.

[The Mom Gene]

What amazes me is Ravens are 11th in Offense and 17th in defense and they have an very bad record. Superbowl 2012 they were 16 Offense and 17 Defense. Insane.

I personally believe it's the injuries to the key players.  I mean we started the season down.  We had lost Pitta and Perrimann before we even played the first game.  Lost Suggs immediately thereafter...  It's just been one after another after another.

[riseNConquer81]

Its also entirely possible that's the best game he plays all season. He might do OK against Miami, but when he plays Seattle, KC and even Pittsburgh and Cincinnati, I fear big time struggles are coming.

Pittsburgh just gave Russell Wilson 5 TDs. Prior to that his only other multi-TD efforts was week 2 against the packers (he threw 2) and then the week before last against SF who we already know have been terrible all season. Seahawks arent an offensive squad at all. So Pittsburgh might somehow be a bright spot lol.

but yeah, the rest of that is gonna be a mess. Especially Seattle. Sweet jesus, let us pray.

[Crusader]

" I fear big time struggles are coming." I agree but at least we have one more week against Miami.I'm hoping the dog house door is left open and we get to see some players break out. Maybe Ravens will find a secondary player that can catch a football.

[purpledown]

Schaub played pretty good but he is still very prone to game changing interceptions, the secondary is bad. But it was a win.

[bmoraven]

1. Matt Shaub can run this offense, he moved the ball well and got us in position to put point on the board. Flacco, he's not, but our offense is not that complicated 2. Secondary still gave up too many big plays, and cannot cover good WR's 3. Buck Allen can carry the load 4. Nice to see a pass rush show up 5. Most important takeaway from last night was special teams put up points. We've never been a blow out offensive team, but we could always rely on Special Teams or defense for points. Outside of the obvious problems, the lack of playmakers on D and Special teams has been a big issue. Maybe some of the young guys who are playing for a job will replace some of the lackluster Vets.

[Baller MD]

Schaub did not play like Flacco. Schaub threw two picks and one of them was worth 6 points for the other team.

Im not saying Flacco doesnt throw picks. The difference is

1) you treat Schaub's picks like an inevitability. you sit there the whole time just wondering when theyll come

2) When Flacco throws picks its usuall because his line cant protect him, and/or his receivers are bad, and/or its late in the game, he's out of options, and has to try to make the game winning play.

Schaub just makes dumb decisions.

 

At this time, I have no personal opinion about how Schaub compares to Flacco leading Raven's offense.  It's too early!!!

 

That said, let's keep it real here - please do not sit up here and actually pretend that some of Flacco's interceptions this year were not the result of some truly bone-headed, dumb, yes DUMB decisions he made, because some were.. (I can point them out if you'd like, but is that really necessary?)  And Flacco has certainly racked up his fair share of interceptions lately himself.  (Neg vote all you want but the truth can't be neg voted: check the stats.)  So much so, that I've actually started to "sit and wonder" when they will come.  

 

And while sometimes an interception is truly not the QB's fault, much of the excuses you gave for Flacco's picks were just that - excuses.  When it comes to any turnover there are rarely any valid justifications... 

Edited December 2, 2015 by Baller MD

[Cawtious]

A win is a win. Watching this game it's evident offensively we lack talent: WRs are just slow and can't seperate to include Givens. The oline lacks physicality and got stood up several times. Jensen even got smacked on the 1st play and didn't do anything and pushed around later in the game. Dline can't get pressure on QB. LBs can't pass cover and Upshaw should never cover anyone - no big contract for him Ozzie!!! DBs tackled well but still give up too many big plays and Will Hill is lucky for the block and recover for TD but he still plays out of position a lot. Man, we got some holes to fill but Clay looks like he got himself a job!

So let's recap: 

Jensen gets smacked and didn't do anything.......should he have retaliated and drawn a fifteen yard penalty?  Sometimes being tough is about taking it and walking away.  Any undisciplined fool can participate in a patty cake slapping session and it doesn't make you tough.  How about no sacks, no hurries, and no knockdowns against their #1 draft pick?  How about him busting butt downfield on every run play looking to make another block at the second level?  Imagine your 50th or 60th snap and they send two-three guys into your gap.  You think you're going to get pushed a little? 

 

Second NFL start.  Pretty good performance if you ask me. 

 

Have you sat down and watched O-line play throughout the league?  How about the O line for the Broncos?  Ostweiler took some mammoth hits all through the game.  He's lucky to be breathing today.  I think we whine too much about our O line when all in all, we are pretty solid compared to many.  Yeah, I know.....blast me with Forsett's injury and let's see who we can blame for Joe's injury. 

 

It's football.  Players get beat.  Players get hurt.  Players miss blocks.  Players drop passes.  Players muff punts, throw interceptions, ect. ect. ad nauseum.  What is all together important is the body of work that a player puts together and how they contribute to the team.  We want perfection at every position it seems, and then howl when a player who puts together a great game and has one penalty......and then we throw out the whole effort as a failure.  Do you live up to that standard at your workplace?  In your life?

 

Good grief, I understand getting frustrated with players.  I've yelled at the TV multiple times for multiple things.  But don't accuse an NFL player of not being physical because he doesn't respond like a pre-teen crybaby by engaging in an activity that will draw penalty yards, get him fined just to prove to you "he's a tough guy".  Rewatch the game.  Focus on any lineman you choose and really watch the battle taking place in the trenches instead of following the ball.  It might change your mind about how physical our lineman really are.

 

Peace.

[harfordravenfan]

1. Matt Shaub can run this offense, he moved the ball well and got us in position to put point on the board. Flacco, he's not, but our offense is not that complicated 2. Secondary still gave up too many big plays, Can't catch a ball to save their lives, and cannot cover good WR's 3. Buck Allen can carry the load 4. Nice to see a pass rush show up 5. Most important takeaway from last night was special teams put up points. We've never been a blow out offensive team, but we could always rely on Special Teams or defense for points. Outside of the obvious problems, the lack of playmakers on D and Special teams has been a big issue. Maybe some of the young guys who are playing for a job will replace some of the lackluster Vets.

 now I agree with everything ya said 

[riseNConquer81]

At this time, I have no personal opinion about how Schaub compares to Flacco leading Raven's offense.  It's too early!!!

 

That said, let's keep it real here - please do not sit up here and actually pretend that some of Flacco's interceptions this year were not the result of some truly bone-headed, dumb, yes DUMB decisions he made, because some were.. (I can point them out if you'd like, but is that really necessary?)  And Flacco has certainly racked up his fair share of interceptions lately himself.  (Neg vote all you want but the truth can't be neg voted: check the stats.)

here's another guy who only reads what he wants to read... 

2) When Flacco throws picks its usually because [...]

So much so, that I've actually started to "sit and wonder" when they will come.

And while sometimes an interception is truly not the QB's fault, much of the excuses you gave for Flacco's picks were just that - excuses. When it comes to any turnover there are rarely any valid justifications...

no you dont, you're just reaching to be obstinate.

and no they're not. There are plenty of valid justifications if you actually understand the game. what truly IS rare (even in Schaub's case) is that the turnover is all the QB's fault.

Edited December 2, 2015 by riseNConquer81

[Baller MD]

here's another guy who only reads what he wants to read... 

no you dont, you're just reaching to be obstinate.

and no they're not. There are plenty of valid justifications if you actually understand the game. what truly IS rare (even in Schaub's case) is that the turnover is all the QB's fault.

 

Don't tell me what the heck I'm thinking. I stand by what I said. Flacco has made some boneheaded interceptions, no, just boneheaded throws period this year... And "all" his fault or not, he's had way too many picks this year. 12 to be exact - compared to 14 TDs in 10 games. Please tell me what can be valid in that interception record?  It's a pattern that can't be blamed on anyone else.  Heck, Flacco himself admitted a few weeks back that he needed to stop making stupid decisions. Guess you weren't watching that week...  No matter, because all season long Flacco was throwing off his back foot. (Even an elementary school kid playing flag football knows better.) Guess you'd like to blame that too on someone other than the QB you idolize.

 

But keep your blinders on and have a nice day (or night).  

Edited December 8, 2015 by Baller MD