The good, bad and ugly vent thread week 12 Browns

[Cville-Raven]

I don't know man, I just have to say what everyone else says, it's Cleveland lol

Yeah, I don't know how they do it

[BmoreBird22]

Sorry man but for the money Smith is making he is just not playing that well and he always seems to be looking around at others when he messes up. Plus Hill has more ints than Smith. Right now Webb is even covering better than Smith. Yes Hill has blown some plays but he has made more plays than Smith has this year.

But Will Hill is not coming off one of the most major injuries in sports. And, Smith has steadily improved over the course of the season, really escalating his play off of the bye week. 

[Static]

Ugh. Buck averaged 4.6yac and West had 5.3! But they only had 19 carries combined. 

 

And that is with a banged up O-line.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I cannot post bad things about players. Daddy won't let me, so here goes. Im sure it will be taken down. Jimmy Smith is horrible and needs to go before nest year. Great win, everyone played hard but I'm tired of that crock #22 being the one that allows every deep 3rd down pass. What a joke!

That's exactly what I see too. I don't want him gone but I would like to see him improve from week to week.

[CalvinSmoke]

Why are we forgetting about Taliaferro. He looked better than Forsett at the beginning of the year.

[JoeyFlex5]

It's his system, he doesn't play to player's strengths. He puts them in bad positions to fail, not play to their strength and put them in the right position to succeed. We play zone a lot but our corners are better with man coverage. Pees just keeps screwing around, and as we all know Pees will continue blaming the players instead of looking in his mirror and realizing his scheme sucks.

this is pees in a nutshell. he also runs a complex rotating coverage system with a low IQ safety and no names in rotation, hence why our db's look so lost in zone coverage so often.

[BmoreBird22]

I'm still shocked at how many interceptions both teams dropped. Schaub nearly gifted the Browns like five interceptions in total. He was really off the mark for most of the night. 

Mosley and Webb both dropped two big interceptions from what I saw.

[RaineV1]

Gonna be brave here.

 

Schuab Played Well.

 

He was pretty darn decent until we had to rely on him to win because our defense is allergic to leads and to be honest we was still decent enough at that point.

 

But once again our defense loses leads and Trestmen abandons the run which leads to interceptions no matter if you're Peyton Manning, Joe Flacco or Matt Schuab.

Yeah, I'll give Schaub some credit. He wasn't perfect, but he played like a decent backup.

[atomicfront]

Our secondary has been playing a lot better this year than last.  Problem is last year we had Suggs and Mcphee so we didn't have to blitz all the time.  

[Static]

I'm still shocked at how many interceptions both teams dropped. Schaub nearly gifted the Browns like five interceptions in total. He was really off the mark for most of the night. 

Mosley and Webb both dropped two big interceptions from what I saw.

 

Wright had almost had two.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

But Will Hill is not coming off one of the most major injuries in sports. And, Smith has steadily improved over the course of the season, really escalating his play off of the bye week. 

I will give you that Hill is not coming off of surgery. It was a good win I just hate seeing our DBs play so far off the darn ball and give the opposing offense so many yards and conversions.

[atomicfront]

Yeah, I'll give Schaub some credit. He wasn't perfect, but he played like a decent backup.

 

Against a terrible defense missing their top cornerback.  I don't think he played all that well.  

[Static]

Yeah, I'll give Schaub some credit. He wasn't perfect, but he played like a decent backup.

 

Don't forget that our receiving core is still horrible so Schuab didnt have much to work with.

[ratedr]

We lost draft position but it feels good to say that we did NOT get swept by the Browns.

 

Schaub played well overall really. Buck Allen and Aiken were balling. Wright was the best CB out there (ironically the only one without a big contract).

 

Give John Harbaugh credit. This team played will heart tonight, as they have ALL year despite the injuries. The Browns tanked. The Ravens will never do that, as much as I would like them to.

[BmoreBird22]

I will give you that Hill is not coming off of surgery. It was a good win I just hate seeing our DBs play so far off the darn ball and give the opposing offense so many yards and conversions.

Trust me, we all hate it, but at this point, he's at least steadily getting better and back to form.

[sticks999]

Oh yeah? Every one? I'd like to see which ones you're referring to.

Smith is the reason for 3rd down completions. The other teams even look for him, what does that say. He is a scrub!

[BmoreBird22]

I would never say Schaub played well... erratic passing and way too many almost interceptions, not to mention the signature pick six streak, which now extends to five in five starts.

[JoeyFlex5]

Sorry man but for the money Smith is making he is just not playing that well and he always seems to be looking around at others when he messes up. Plus Hill has more ints than Smith. Right now Webb is even covering better than Smith. Yes Hill has blown some plays but he has made more plays than Smith has this year.

saying webb is covering better than smith right now isnt really an insult to jimmy, webb has really stepped it up lately and is looking more and more like his old self every week, hes inconsistent right now but so is everyone on this defense, and the lack of pass rush makes the whole secondary look bad. 

 

as for jimmy.. hes coming off of one of the most infamous injuries in all of sports, at this point, with advances in sports medicine, the lisfranc could possibly be considered more of a career changer than an ACL, doctors have figured out the ACL pretty well, but not the lisfranc, and it still continues to derail careers, and if there is any position where a lisfranc is nearly a death sentence, its probably cb, all that weight shifting and hip turning and exploding off of your feet is brutal on such an injury.

[BmoreBird22]

Smith is the reason for 3rd down completions. The other teams even look for him, what does that say. He is a scrub!

Hmm, interesting that I'd notice the quarterback routinely looking away from Smith, but please, continue to explain to me where this happens. 

By the way, most of those third down conversions came from Hartline or Barnidge in the slot or Duke Johnson. Jimmy Smith doesn't cover the slot or the running backs.

[sticks999]

We lost draft position but it feels good to say that we did NOT get swept by the Browns.

 

Schaub played well overall really. Buck Allen and Aiken were balling. Wright was the best CB out there (ironically the only one without a big contract).

 

Give John Harbaugh credit. This team played will heart tonight, as they have ALL year despite the injuries. The Browns tanked. The Ravens will never do that, as much as I would like them to.

I don't see how you can say he played well. He tried, he is what he is. But 2 int, one being a pick 6 and one TD which was more the receivers doing . . . . isn't playing well.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I'm still shocked at how many interceptions both teams dropped. Schaub nearly gifted the Browns like five interceptions in total. He was really off the mark for most of the night. 

Mosley and Webb both dropped two big interceptions from what I saw.

Agreed Mosleys was a little harder but he could have had that for sure. Webb really should have had that one. I could have swore  a few years back they used to have a jar and every pick they miss you got to pay the jar then who ever gets the most picks they get the winnings but I think this was back when R.Lewis #52 and E. Reed  #20 were still on the team I swear I remember hearing something about that a few years back.. 

[RavensPunkXVX]

I can't believe some of you are whining over a draft pick. If we're 1-14, I'm gonna be rooting for that second win. The players are too, and coaches. The whole team is fighting, but the fan base is whining about a draft pick. 

Give me a break.

Good win for the Ravens, in regards to not getting swept by a division rival. This team is not far off from being a playoff contender.

[Static]

Schuab played about as well as Joe Flacco has all season. Not a knock on anybody , just the facts.

 

Joe vs the Rams was 27/44 299yrds 1TD 2INTS 70rtg

 

Schuab was 20/34 232 2TD 2INT 75rtg.

 

No big difference. 

Edited December 1, 2015 by Static

[FlocksGottaFeed]

We lost draft position but it feels good to say that we did NOT get swept by the Browns.

 

Schaub played well overall really. Buck Allen and Aiken were balling. Wright was the best CB out there (ironically the only one without a big contract).

 

Give John Harbaugh credit. This team played will heart tonight, as they have ALL year despite the injuries. The Browns tanked. The Ravens will never do that, as much as I would like them to.

Tanking is overrated. Ask every team that's tried it. They never build winning cultures. Great game!

[ellicottraven]

The good - Matt Schaub, the bad - Matt Schaub, the ugly - Matt Schaub! He did it all, but we won! On a serious note, Brent Urban's block and Will Hill's return for a TD was as much of a quirk of fate in our favor as the one against Jacksonville was a quirk of fate in the other team's favor.

[BmoreBird22]

Schuab played about as well as Joe Flacco has all season. Not a knock on anybody , just the facts.

 

Joe vs the Rams was 27/44 299yrds 1TD 2INTS 70rtg

 

Schuab was 20/34 232 2TD 2INT 75rtg.

 

No big difference. 

There was a big difference from what I saw on the field. I would not take Schaub's performance today over Flacco's Rams performance.

[I AM LEGEND]

Schaub did play pretty well up until John went to a pass happy offense....why in the world you would want Matt Schaub to pass it alot is beyond me..

[Static]

There was a big difference from what I saw on the field. I would not take Schaub's performance today over Flacco's Rams performance.

 

Clearly Flacco is obviously better than Schuab. My point being that Flacco has struggled all season so I don't know why anyone would expect anything different with Schuab. The fact that their Numbers were even close is impressive to say the least.

 

I get that Bashing Schuab is funny but he was solid.

Edited December 1, 2015 by Static

[Thierry]

I saw all comments here.

And I will let my brazilian comments here. What I think (remember i'm from soccer country)

 

Defense - We play a lot of Blitz, but when we play with this call our secondary failed to protect the pass, and our blitz it isn't enough to caught the QB in time, even against week offense lines. Sometimes we saw great plays with Wright, Web or Cj Mosley but sometimes you close your eyes in shame.

 

Specialist teams - Always, always awesome, I'm worried about Tucker, he is awesome, but this season sometimes he let me worried.

 

Offense - We know about our wide receivers and they are very limited, without Smith, maybe Perriman, but I think we had a huge problem about offense, the calling plays are horrible, sometimes the plays looks ugly (i don't know to say that in english, but i feel they don't train some plays), I think the real problem is offense coordinator, calling plays in bad times. 

Our running backs, they are pretty decent, but we don't call to much running plays, and when we call sometimes the play is horrible, thanks to running back and the offensive lines we get the yards.

About Shaub, I think it is hard to judge him, 2 years without play a real game, a team without good wide receivers, and horrible playing calls, but when you saw Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, we need to learn with them, if you going to make a pass it could be intercept don't do it, it's best punt the ball, them give a turnover!

[Static]

He's right though. Most of their first and longs were converted in the middle of the field. Generally mismatches against our linebackers. I'm not sure what game you watched.

 

Peas constantly got out X'd and O'd. They consistenly opened the middle of the field and got our linebackers in bad match ups.

 

A player allowing a reception is one thing but Upshaw being in coverage and Mosley getting put out wide on a fast RB is 100% on the DC.