Why Vernon Hargreaves (CB) might be the best player in the Draft

[Clmraven]

But it's never that easy. Let's go with the hypothetical we end up moving back to 7. Whose to say we lose out on all the elite talent at that point. This draft is very top heavy. After Bosa, Tunsil, VH3, Ramsey, Stanley, and Smith there is a considerable drop off.

well if we traded back chances are the team moving up is going for a QB Thus leaving one of those 6 to fall to us at 7 in this hypothetical. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Lynch and Goff go top 5 depending on how much they get hyped up.

[ravensnation5220]

I personally think we win the next game against Cleveland, but on the subject of Cleveland, I don't see them winning any games from here on out after Monday Night. Their schedule is ridiculous, I see no way they sneak a win. The 49ers can pull off an upset here and there IMO, they did beat the Falcons(who are frauds) and I think they beat Cleveland and pull off an upset win against someone else.

I think we win one more game which will pit us at 4-12 while Cleveland heads towards a 2-14 season. IMO San Diego, Tennessee, Cleveland and the Dallas will pick ahead of us.

1. Cleveland Browns (2-8)

2. San Diego Chargers (2-8)

3. Tennessee Titans (2-8)

4. Dallas Cowboys (3-8)

5. Baltimore Ravens (3-7)

6. San Francisco 49ers (3-7)

7. Detroit Lions (4-7)

This is the current draft order, I feel that the top 5 will stay that way honestly. Cleveland has a schedule problem, San Diego has been awful and while Tennessee can make some upsets, they've got too many problems with both sides of the ball. I don't even need to explain how awful Dallas is without Romo.

well the titans and the chargers look to be in good shape for a win today so i wouldnt lock it in just yet

Well at least the chargers won lol

Edited November 29, 2015 by ravensnation5220

[ravensnation5220]

Thats a good thing, the fact that a guy can be that polished and pro-ready at such a young age is remarkable honestly. Iv heard people say that if he entered last years draft, he would have been a top 10 pick. Thats insane.

ya i suppose. I still feel an area for concern when he has 10 and 13 passes defensed his first 2 years and only 2 this year,unless theyre just not throwing it his way but i dont think thats the case. He isnt even in the top 10 in pff for corners.

Not that im totally against picking him but the more tape i watch the more i worry about how good a tackler he is he seems to fly in too often and missed a lot of open field tackles, i also noticed that he is very inconsistent at getting off blocks, unless hes the one being the aggressor first which he can do really well at times and blows up bubble screens nicely even without making the tackle, other than that he seems to have a hard time either avoiding blocks to make a tackle or getting off them, and i feel we need corners who can tackle in our scheme (not that any can now)

Having said that i still think he is one of the best prospects in the draft and would be thrilled if we could get him

[GrimCoconut]

Ogbah. We would probably trade back to get him.

however i don't think we should ...tunsil hargreaves and ramsey are too good of prospects..

I essentially have the same order. Kinda funny lol.

For me it's Tunsil, Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley, Ogbah, Treadwell although I honestly have Treadwell and Ogbah tight atm. It may change as I watch them both more

[ravensnation5220]

I essentially have the same order. Kinda funny lol.

For me it's Tunsil, Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley, Ogbah, Treadwell although I honestly have Treadwell and Ogbah tight atm. It may change as I watch them both more

watch Treadwell vs vandy. He shows no effort to block. That tape kinda turned me off on him because if how lazy and out of energy he looked. He took more plays off on that one tape than i saw of breshad all last year

[GrimCoconut]

watch Treadwell vs vandy. He shows no effort to block. That tape kinda turned me off on him because if how lazy and out of energy he looked. He took more plays off on that one tape than i saw of breshad all last year

Lol I'll definitely watch that once school lets out. #SoClose

[DomMcRaven]

Like I said FA will be just as important as the draft this year. There are some very good secondary options in FA but no so much in the OLB options..

I agree, but who are we kidding? It should always be important. 

[January J]

I essentially have the same order. Kinda funny lol.

For me it's Tunsil, Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley, Ogbah, Treadwell although I honestly have Treadwell and Ogbah tight atm. It may change as I watch them both more

my preferences fall in that exact same order.

[ravefan52]

Hargreaves has been my number two guy behind Bosa since the beginning of the season. Every time I watch him I love him more and more. He's been dominating the SEC since he was a freshman and holding his own against NFL level WR's. I know there are no sure fire prospects, but I honestly can't see him not being good. I think he has a high floor and an elite level ceiling. Pairing him with a healthy Jimmy Smith would give us a Broncos-like CB duo.

[GrimCoconut]

Hargreaves has been my number two guy behind Bosa since the beginning of the season. Every time I watch him I love him more and more. He's been dominating the SEC since he was a freshman and holding his own against NFL level WR's. I know there are no sure fire prospects, but I honestly can't see him not being good. I think he has a high floor and an elite level ceiling. Pairing him with a healthy Jimmy Smith would give us a Broncos-like CB duo.

I have the top three (Tunsil, Bosa, Hargreaves) in a very tight race and are essentially tied for all intents and purposes. I don't think any will be bad; however, I strongly believe Hargreaves is the safest prospect in this class.

[PurpleCity5]

Hargreaves has been my number two guy behind Bosa since the beginning of the season. Every time I watch him I love him more and more. He's been dominating the SEC since he was a freshman and holding his own against NFL level WR's. I know there are no sure fire prospects, but I honestly can't see him not being good. I think he has a high floor and an elite level ceiling. Pairing him with a healthy Jimmy Smith would give us a Broncos-like CB duo.

Completely agree with all points. I have the same top 3 as Grim, with Stanley, Ramsey, Lawson, and Ogbah behind the 3 of them.

[PurpleCity5]

I want what your smokin'

I know its very unlikely, its a hypothetical situation. Prospects fall in the draft for unknown reasons at times. You never know honestly.

[Cillmatic]

Looked at his Alabama game against cooper. Allowed about 30 yards and a touchdown. Not that bad. He needs coaching and a good safety.

[JoeyFlex5]

if tunsil and bosa go 1 and 2, which i think they will... 

 

do we really want to take hargreaves at 3rd overall? that is completely unprecedented and im not sure he lives up to that status, if he has a career like a top 10 pick at cb that is fine and dandy, but what if stanley turns out the best LT in the league? what if ramsey is as good as he should be and becomes the best safety in the league? what if we pass on these guys and they are the ones that play like perennial all pros and hargreaves turns out average because shockingly his height actually was a factor? 

 

man... picking this high, in THIS draft, seriously sucks. im legitimately angry at will hill for returning that kick, smh.

[DomMcRaven]

if tunsil and bosa go 1 and 2, which i think they will... 

 

do we really want to take hargreaves at 3rd overall? that is completely unprecedented and im not sure he lives up to that status, if he has a career like a top 10 pick at cb that is fine and dandy, but what if stanley turns out the best LT in the league? what if ramsey is as good as he should be and becomes the best safety in the league? what if we pass on these guys and they are the ones that play like perennial all pros and hargreaves turns out average because shockingly his height actually was a factor? 

 

man... picking this high, in THIS draft, seriously sucks. im legitimately angry at will hill for returning that kick, smh.

"Stay tuned because when we come back, the Ravens will be on the clock. Don't go anywhere."

[PurpleCity5]

if tunsil and bosa go 1 and 2, which i think they will...

do we really want to take hargreaves at 3rd overall? that is completely unprecedented and im not sure he lives up to that status, if he has a career like a top 10 pick at cb that is fine and dandy, but what if stanley turns out the best LT in the league? what if ramsey is as good as he should be and becomes the best safety in the league? what if we pass on these guys and they are the ones that play like perennial all pros and hargreaves turns out average because shockingly his height actually was a factor?

man... picking this high, in THIS draft, seriously sucks. im legitimately angry at will hill for returning that kick, smh.

Yeah man I wish this was the 2014 draft. I would go with Stanley at 3 but to be honest he could struggle his first year.

[Inqui]

Yeah man I wish this was the 2014 draft. I would go with Stanley at 3 but to be honest he could struggle his first year.

Even the 2015 class would have been nice. Just take Amari Cooper and call it a day. And that's not even using hindsight either - I loved him even before his junior season and having a shot at him would have been a dream.

[January J]

if tunsil and bosa go 1 and 2, which i think they will... 

 

do we really want to take hargreaves at 3rd overall? that is completely unprecedented and im not sure he lives up to that status, if he has a career like a top 10 pick at cb that is fine and dandy, but what if stanley turns out the best LT in the league? what if ramsey is as good as he should be and becomes the best safety in the league? what if we pass on these guys and they are the ones that play like perennial all pros and hargreaves turns out average because shockingly his height actually was a factor? 

 

man... picking this high, in THIS draft, seriously sucks. im legitimately angry at will hill for returning that kick, smh.

there's always a what if scenario, we just gotta go with whoever is higher on ozzies board and accept it. Ozzie has nailed the last few picks he's had in the top 5..boulware, Ogden and Jamal Lewis .. That's a pretty good track record and I trust him to make the right choice. Honestly I don't think vh3 will be higher than Ramsey or Stanley in his mind anyway. The way I see OUR board right now is 1) tunsil 2) bosa 3)Stanley 4) Ramsey 5) vh3 6) treadwell 7) ogbah 8) jaylon smith

[balfan23]

I think Bosa has a shot to be there at 5, Tunsil I expect to be gone by then. I think he goes into the top 3. 

One thing not on your list is the leadership aspect. We need to get the next Sizzle ... and I don't mean edge rusher, I mean the next guy who is going to bring leadership, swagger and real personality. Our team with no Sizzle and no SSS has no personality. Those guys are going to be gone - soon (and SSS may already be gone). 

 

Does Hargraves bring that? Is there anyone on this draft, from which all accounts is really a bad draft for us to finally have a high pick, with that kind of ability? Mosley is nice, but he's the quiet leader. We need the guy who, when we've got a lead that we're clinging to on the opponents final drive (which we've allowed to slip by too often) is going to rally the troops and tell them, "the opposition is only going to score over our dead bodies". We need that and with a draft this high, it will be very disappointing if we don't get that. 

[Inqui]

One thing not on your list is the leadership aspect. We need to get the next Sizzle ... and I don't mean edge rusher, I mean the next guy who is going to bring leadership, swagger and real personality. Our team with no Sizzle and no SSS has no personality. Those guys are going to be gone - soon (and SSS may already be gone). 

 

Does Hargraves bring that? Is there anyone on this draft, from which all accounts is really a bad draft for us to finally have a high pick, with that kind of ability? Mosley is nice, but he's the quiet leader. We need the guy who, when we've got a lead that we're clinging to on the opponents final drive (which we've allowed to slip by too often) is going to rally the troops and tell them, "the opposition is only going to score over our dead bodies". We need that and with a draft this high, it will be very disappointing if we don't get that. 

If you want a loud leader who'll be yappy and get fired up and get in everyone's faces, it sounds like Jalen Ramsey is the kinda guy you'd like (granted you never really know what's going on in a lockerroom).

 

[January J]

One thing not on your list is the leadership aspect. We need to get the next Sizzle ... and I don't mean edge rusher, I mean the next guy who is going to bring leadership, swagger and real personality. Our team with no Sizzle and no SSS has no personality. Those guys are going to be gone - soon (and SSS may already be gone). 

 

Does Hargraves bring that? Is there anyone on this draft, from which all accounts is really a bad draft for us to finally have a high pick, with that kind of ability? Mosley is nice, but he's the quiet leader. We need the guy who, when we've got a lead that we're clinging to on the opponents final drive (which we've allowed to slip by too often) is going to rally the troops and tell them, "the opposition is only going to score over our dead bodies". We need that and with a draft this high, it will be very disappointing if we don't get that.

i agree ..but who do you think represents that the most in this draft? Or do you think there is no one with those leadership traits?

[January J]

If you want a loud leader who'll be yappy and get fired up and get in everyone's faces, it sounds like Jalen Ramsey is the kinda guy you'd like (granted you never really know what's going on in a lockerroom).

 

yeah but there's a difference between rallying the troops and being a personal foul / unsportsmanlike conduct magnet

[balfan23]

i agree ..but who do you think represents that the most in this draft? Or do you think there is no one with those leadership traits?

Sorry - I'm being lazy ... I really don't have the same level of knowledge around these players as most of you guys. I was asking the creator of the thread (PurpleCity5) if he felt Hargraves had that and then asking in general if anyone else felt there was any other players available in this draft that fit that mold. 

[JoeyFlex5]

there's always a what if scenario, we just gotta go with whoever is higher on ozzies board and accept it. Ozzie has nailed the last few picks he's had in the top 5..boulware, Ogden and Jamal Lewis .. That's a pretty good track record and I trust him to make the right choice. Honestly I don't think vh3 will be higher than Ramsey or Stanley in his mind anyway. The way I see OUR board right now is 1) tunsil 2) bosa 3)Stanley 4) Ramsey 5) vh3 6) treadwell 7) ogbah 8) jaylon smith

of course you cant predict how a player pans out, but i have never seen a top 5 group of players who are so uncertain but with such high ceilings at the same time. i think every top 5 player this year has an extremely high ceiling with immense bust factor, really everyone except for tunsil and to a degree bosa

[January J]

Sorry - I'm being lazy ... I really don't have the same level of knowledge around these players as most of you guys. I was asking the creator of the thread (PurpleCity5) if he felt Hargraves had that and then asking in general if anyone else felt there was any other players available in this draft that fit that mold.

well atleast your honest... Most ppl would just throw out a name of somebody they liked instead of admitting they really haven't done their homework. I'm kind of in the same boat ..I really haven't watched a lot of these prospects and are only Familar with a few.

[January J]

of course you cant predict how a player pans out, but i have never seen a top 5 group of players who are so uncertain but with such high ceilings at the same time. i think every top 5 player this year has an extremely high ceiling with immense bust factor, really everyone except for tunsil and to a degree bosa

yeah that's true , we would be much better off going into the 2015 draft again with a top 5 pick.

[balfan23]

If you want a loud leader who'll be yappy and get fired up and get in everyone's faces, it sounds like Jalen Ramsey is the kinda guy you'd like (granted you never really know what's going on in a lockerroom).

Sort of to January J's point, I don't know if getting in the face of the opposition is totally what we're looking for (although, SSS surely fits that description) ... guys like Sizzle and Ray do/did a little of that, but mostly they inspire their team and that's the most important part. 

 

I do kind of think it is hard for a secondary player to be that. Not sure why, but there aren't many that I've seen in the league. Usually, they are the beasts ... other players on the team know, if they don't do their job, they have to answer to the man. We need that man. 

[January J]

Sort of to January J's point, I don't know if getting in the face of the opposition is totally what we're looking for (although, SSS surely fits that description) ... guys like Sizzle and Ray do/did a little of that, but mostly they inspire their team and that's the most important part. 

 

I do kind of think it is hard for a secondary player to be that. Not sure why, but there aren't many that I've seen in the league. Usually, they are the beasts ... other players on the team know, if they don't do their job, they have to answer to the man. We need that man.

Ed reed was one of the few exceptions. Him and Ray were the perfect combo bc he kept everybody straight in the back end and Ray handled everybody else. Which if cj Mosley becomes that guy ...Ramsey might be the answer to fulfill that same type of duo. But right now I just don't see it in Ramsey ...I see a hothead and not somebody that players will feel they have to answer to.

[Inqui]

Sort of to January J's point, I don't know if getting in the face of the opposition is totally what we're looking for (although, SSS surely fits that description) ... guys like Sizzle and Ray do/did a little of that, but mostly they inspire their team and that's the most important part. 

 

I do kind of think it is hard for a secondary player to be that. Not sure why, but there aren't many that I've seen in the league. Usually, they are the beasts ... other players on the team know, if they don't do their job, they have to answer to the man. We need that man. 

I'm not saying he's Ray Lewis or anything per se, but as far as I know (and I could well be wrong, so take all this with a pinch of salt) the other players at the top seem to be a lot quieter - or at least don't have the same reputation for getting fired up like that.

[Cillmatic]

If you want a loud leader who'll be yappy and get fired up and get in everyone's faces, it sounds like Jalen Ramsey is the kinda guy you'd like (granted you never really know what's going on in a lockerroom).

What position would be play on this team though? Safety? Which he has no REAL experience with. Or Cornerback? Which he has little experience with?