projected first round players most likely to bust?

[rmw10]

I could see Leonard Floyd disappointing if people think he'll be an every-down LB. I think he'll still be an effective speed rusher though. 

 

Floyd is a better version of Corey Lemonier to me.  I see him as a guy that flashes on occasion but never quite puts everything together to become any real, consistent threat.

[PurpleCity5]

I'm afraid I'm going to have to add Paxton Lynch to the list. After that 7 first half TD performance it looks like his career has come to an end right before it starts as he'll be a Cleveland Brown.

Edited November 29, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[JoeyFlex5]

Corey Coleman is up there for me since I've seen some people giving him 1b receiver hype

im torn on coleman, i wanna like him, i really do, but im not seeing much to his game. he just streaks at full speed and makes the catch, and while its fun to watch a 5'10" musclebound wr making contested catches like hes 6'4", i just dont see enough to warrant a late first round or even a early 2nd. some wr's who run the spread in college can show some refinement, like phillip dorsett was excellent at manipulating his speed to catch db's napping, even though he ran almost all 9 routes he still showed a good grasp of route running, i dont see that with coleman

[BmoreBird22]

im torn on coleman, i wanna like him, i really do, but im not seeing much to his game. he just streaks at full speed and makes the catch, and while its fun to watch a 5'10" musclebound wr making contested catches like hes 6'4", i just dont see enough to warrant a late first round or even a early 2nd. some wr's who run the spread in college can show some refinement, like phillip dorsett was excellent at manipulating his speed to catch db's napping, even though he ran almost all 9 routes he still showed a good grasp of route running, i dont see that with coleman

What worries me is that it's an offense designed entirely to get him the ball out there in space by running go/post routes and curls. He doesn't fair well against press coverage and how is that going to translate to going over the middle and consistently taking big shots or consistently working through traffic? I mean, as it stands, he's so fast that he doesn't have to make catches in high volume traffic.

I just don't see the first rounder in him. I know Seth Russell got injured, but Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and TCU really did a number to him to stop him and those are some elite pass defenses in CFB

[edthehead]

Nkemdiche. He doesn't finish plays (gets pressure, but doesn't get the tackle/sack). Also has work-ethic concerns. He has all of the physical talent you could ask for, but he hasn't lived up to his potential. Whoever drafts him has to somehow make him play harder than he ever has. 

 

Bosa also is going to disappoint if people really think he's going to be the next Watt. He seems like a good, but not great talent. 

 

 

bosa is a pretty high caliber talent. he is technically sound and physically dominant at the point of attack. also its hard to say hes the next watt when they play different positions, in a 3-4 bosa is an OLB while watt is more of a DE. i think a comparable player in terms of pass rushing would be mario williams, will he ever become a more complete OLB? i dont know, i think he can definitely be solid in a 3 down role, he will dominate the run, dominate in pass rush, and we may never even ask him to drop back into coverage, but i think he will dominate the point of attack enough to justify a top 3 pick. i dont think hes overrated by anyone with realistic expectations, which are pretty high to begin with.

I watched the game yesterday to see the great Bosa and what I saw was a good player nothing spectacular a good sound DE,

oh that covers the weak side tackle , an offensive right tackle.....  

[Dubs]

Ramsey. He'll either sink or swim. He has high bust factor due to hype combined with attitude. I really like him a lot but his attitude concerns me. I don't know if he can stay disciplined. He sorta has the attitude of Pollard and I don't mean that as a compliment. Rather, I'm talking about the bad attitude that could lead to DPI & unnecessary roughness penalties.

After him it's Leonard Floyd for me.

 

Agreed on Ramsey--he scares me a lot and I see a lot of chunk yardage coming his way in the NFL

 

My other high prospect would be Nkemdiche...I have explained before so i won't say much here but I think he is a scheme specific player and when he doesn't initially get by his block he looks like he is on roller skates and sometimes he just turns his back to the line of scrimmage (that is one of the worst things ever to do as a DL, other than being not to the ground)

[Sizzlebshu]

Todd Gurley, Tom Brady. Marshall Yanda, Jamal Charles, Gronk, Joe Thomas, Von Miller, Navorro Bowman, Thomas Davis, Geno Atkins, Darrelle Revis, Eric Berry, Honey Badger, just to name a few more.

Cool let me name every player who has torn his acl and hasn't come back the same. Oh they out number the exceptions. What a shock!

[BmoreBird22]

Cool let me name every player who has torn his acl and hasn't come back the same. Oh they out number the exceptions. What a shock!

I'm sure he could name more, but now I'm curious to see your list and the year it occurred

[52liveforever]

Cool let me name every player who has torn his acl and hasn't come back the same. Oh they out number the exceptions. What a shock!

 

Haha, ok? I never said everyone comes back the same so I don't know what exactly that would prove?

[RaineV1]

Cool let me name every player who has torn his acl and hasn't come back the same. Oh they out number the exceptions. What a shock!

Does your list mostly include people that tore it before 1990?

[52liveforever]

Does your list mostly include people that tore it before 1990?

 

"list"

[JoeyFlex5]

I watched the game yesterday to see the great Bosa and what I saw was a good player nothing spectacular a good sound DE,

oh that covers the weak side tackle , an offensive right tackle.....  

you watch one game and that is what youre gonna guage him on? he isnt "spectacular" as in hes not some blazing fast behemoth of a man that can fly off the snap and reach the qb before he drops back, but he is the best defender in this class. he is freakishly strong, a violent, and technically sound player. im not on the bosa bandwagon, i prefer tunsil by a wide margin, but bosa would be an immediate contributor and would be a HUGE presence on the field for us.

[Robbyrobbass]

Ramsey

[edthehead]

you watch one game and that is what youre gonna guage him on? he isnt "spectacular" as in hes not some blazing fast behemoth of a man that can fly off the snap and reach the qb before he drops back, but he is the best defender in this class. he is freakishly strong, a violent, and technically sound player. im not on the bosa bandwagon, i prefer tunsil by a wide margin, but bosa would be an immediate contributor and would be a HUGE presence on the field for us.

yes I just watched 1 game, and my comment was meant to en lighten me I wanted to hear why everybody is so blown away by him. I  am not down playing him but what I saw was a guy that plays the weak side tackle, am I wrong  

Edited November 29, 2015 by edthehead

[JoeyFlex5]

yes I just watched 1 game, and my comment was meant to en lighten me I wanted to hear why everybody is so blown away by him. I  am not down playing him but what I saw was a guy that plays the weak side tackle, am I wrong  

he has played both sides frequently, he can be a fixture or he can be a moving weapon, he even lines up on the inside sometimes. ogbah plays both sides as well, i only caught some of the okstu game last night but from what i saw he was fixed on the weakside.

 

as a college player, my guess would be that bosa is coached to play where he has the best matchup, if hes gonna be a gamewrecker facing the opponents RT, then he'll line up there as frequently as possible. 

[Sami84]

I have us with the 2nd or 3rd pick of the draft..even if the titans win with the jags i don't think it will make much difference..

 

we blew our chances in the Bosa pick by pointlessly beating st louis. See how tanking would have helped? remember before the game i said i think we should just tank to avoid any other insane injuries?

 

why am i always right..

 

with that being said we should go for tunsil/hargreaves/ramsey and then trade back into the first round and get ogbah.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Titans and Jags would both take an OT Sami... I have a gut feeling. They both have young QBs who need to be protected. It makes too much damn sense.

 

And I love Bosa, I think he'd be able to turn the defense around, but I'd be equally happy with Tunsil, Stanley, Hargreaves, and even Ramsey. So there's not much of a loss for me. 

[Static]

I dont think Bosa is gonna be worth his draft position. 

[allblackraven]

Whichever QB Browns pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

I have us with the 2nd or 3rd pick of the draft..even if the titans win with the jags i don't think it will make much difference..

 

we blew our chances in the Bosa pick by pointlessly beating st louis. See how tanking would have helped? remember before the game i said i think we should just tank to avoid any other insane injuries?

 

why am i always right..

 

with that being said we should go for tunsil/hargreaves/ramsey and then trade back into the first round and get ogbah.

no way man if you lose games it creates a losing culture that can never be fixed *sarcasm* 

[JoeyFlex5]

Titans and Jags would both take an OT Sami... I have a gut feeling. They both have young QBs who need to be protected. It makes too much damn sense.

 

And I love Bosa, I think he'd be able to turn the defense around, but I'd be equally happy with Tunsil, Stanley, Hargreaves, and even Ramsey. So there's not much of a loss for me. 

taylor lewan and tunsil would make the best tackle tandem in the league. 

 

are they more intrigued by that? or pairing nkemdiche with casey?

[January J]

Goff. No insight behind it just a hunch.

[edthehead]

he has played both sides frequently, he can be a fixture or he can be a moving weapon, he even lines up on the inside sometimes. ogbah plays both sides as well, i only caught some of the okstu game last night but from what i saw he was fixed on the weakside.

 

as a college player, my guess would be that bosa is coached to play where he has the best matchup, if hes gonna be a gamewrecker facing the opponents RT, then he'll line up there as frequently as possible. 

as a player also (go cavaliers), he isn't worth a top 5, you think he is worth a top 5, me I would only take a LT that high, for the talent in this draft I would trade back     

[ravensnick]

Goff and Cook both worry me. I feel Goff could end up being very good, but he started throwing a lot of picks. Cook has definitely gained some momentum, but it is hard to determine how good they truly are. I'm firmly set with Paxton Lynch as my #1 QB. I believe he is true top 5 talent. 

[BmoreBird22]

Goff and Cook both worry me. I feel Goff could end up being very good, but he started throwing a lot of picks. Cook has definitely gained some momentum, but it is hard to determine how good they truly are. I'm firmly set with Paxton Lynch as my #1 QB. I believe he is true top 5 talent.

I don't particularly love Lynch's mechanics, but I feel like Goff has all the tools to be a really great quarterback and just really pressed to make plays.

Cook is one I don't trust

[JoeyFlex5]

as a player also (go cavaliers), he isn't worth a top 5, you think he is worth a top 5, me I would only take a LT that high, for the talent in this draft I would trade back     

if im first overall, im taking tunsil, im taking tunsil with any team, but bosa, in my eyes, is absolutely a top 5 guy, i think hes 2nd overall and people just love to hate on the most hyped prospects. i see him in a similar light as dante fowler, he is big, very tough, very physical, and technically sound, and plays violent yet disciplined, and has a great pursuit and nose for the ball, he isnt athletically the most eye popping prospect, but at his size and strength his athleticism is still impressive, and his high football IQ and sound technique make him a pretty complete package. i dont see how bosa isnt worth a top 5 pick, i guess we all have our opinions though

[GrimCoconut]

I don't know if Bosa will bust, but I will admit that there's something about him that concerns me. Don't ask me what that is because I haven't the foggiest. It's just a hunch. I think his success really hinges on him going to the right place. I can say that about anyone, but I really think that's true for him.

Meanwhile I think Hargreaves and even Tunsil (to a slightly lesser extent) will be great players wherever they go.

Edited November 30, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't know if Bosa will bust, but I will admit that there's something about him that concerns me. Don't ask me what that is because I haven't the foggiest. It's just a hunch. I think his success really hinges on him going to the right place. I can say that about anyone, but I really think that's true for him.

Meanwhile I think Hargreaves and even Tunsil (to a slightly lesser extent) will be great players wherever they go.

my only concern with bosa is that he seems that he has been taking it easy in his senior year, that never seems to end well, but at the same time, hasnt he been appearing to work on other areas of his game this year?

[GrimCoconut]

my only concern with bosa is that he seems that he has been taking it easy in his senior year, that never seems to end well, but at the same time, hasnt he been appearing to work on other areas of his game this year?

Yeah that's something I noticed and it disturbed me. I saw it in Clowney but it's not the same in Bosa. Clowney took plays off even as a sophomore when he became a star after that hit he laid. Bosa was pretty relentless last year as a junior.

I'm not sure whether he's trying to develop more in his game or whether he's just trying to stay healthy. I also don't like how he's frequently on the left side going against the right tackle. While he's done well there, I want him going against the left tackle.

Then again, that's not necessarily his fault. Also, Ogbah did play there against the right tackle, but he changed sides a lot. Bosa seemed like he played 75%+ of his snaps against the right tackle while Ogbah seemed like he had a 50/50.

Then again, college doesn't really provide a great measuring stick because offenses rarely sport top notch LT and usually have better OL on the right side because they rely more on the run game. It probably doesn't help that he plays in the BIG 10.

Edited November 30, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[edthehead]

if im first overall, im taking tunsil, im taking tunsil with any team, but bosa, in my eyes, is absolutely a top 5 guy, i think hes 2nd overall and people just love to hate on the most hyped prospects. i see him in a similar light as dante fowler, he is big, very tough, very physical, and technically sound, and plays violent yet disciplined, and has a great pursuit and nose for the ball, he isnt athletically the most eye popping prospect, but at his size and strength his athleticism is still impressive, and his high football IQ and sound technique make him a pretty complete package. i dont see how bosa isnt worth a top 5 pick, i guess we all have our opinions though

very well said, nobody is hating,I have only seen 1 game so I am not downplaying until I see more, I have only said that after 1 game I saw he was good, I will watch more games and continue to read everybody comments,

just saying I am not sold yet, but it is a great deal of hype here on him,,, thanks