projected first round players most likely to bust?

[JoeyFlex5]

this isnt really about the ravens, more about overrated prospects, what projected first rounder do you think is most likely to be a complete bust? 

 

im going with scooby wright. scooby is the stiffest player i have ever watched, he has no length, slow as molasses, takes bad angles, has all the heart in the world but lacks the tools to succeed. very instinctive and intense player, but he will get washed in the trenches and will be worthless in pass coverage. 

 

im leaving out qb's because they seem to be too easy of a target, who do you guys got?

[JustinB]

I would have to go with Shawn Oakman out of Baylor.  He has scouts souring on him and I have not been impressed.  What he does have that Wright does not is the strength and measurements that some team will take a gamble on him.

[Maryland]

Nkemdiche. He doesn't finish plays (gets pressure, but doesn't get the tackle/sack). Also has work-ethic concerns. He has all of the physical talent you could ask for, but he hasn't lived up to his potential. Whoever drafts him has to somehow make him play harder than he ever has. 

 

Bosa also is going to disappoint if people really think he's going to be the next Watt. He seems like a good, but not great talent. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Nkemdiche. He doesn't finish plays (gets pressure, but doesn't get the tackle/sack). Also has work-ethic concerns. He has all of the physical talent you could ask for, but he hasn't lived up to his potential. Whoever drafts him has to somehow make him play harder than he ever has. 

 

Bosa also is going to disappoint if people really think he's going to be the next Watt. He seems like a good, but not great talent. 

bosa is a pretty high caliber talent. he is technically sound and physically dominant at the point of attack. also its hard to say hes the next watt when they play different positions, in a 3-4 bosa is an OLB while watt is more of a DE. i think a comparable player in terms of pass rushing would be mario williams, will he ever become a more complete OLB? i dont know, i think he can definitely be solid in a 3 down role, he will dominate the run, dominate in pass rush, and we may never even ask him to drop back into coverage, but i think he will dominate the point of attack enough to justify a top 3 pick. i dont think hes overrated by anyone with realistic expectations, which are pretty high to begin with.

[Sizzlebshu]

Myles Jack. An athletic freak who tore his acl which saps athleticism. Wonder how that can go wrong. 

[JO_75]

Looking at things, I would say anyone from Ohio State. The only reason I say that is because Bosa, Elliott, Thomas, Washington is going to enter this draft with a lot of hype from not just the media but their success.(Look what happened to Tebow and Manziel who entered with so much hype and failed to live up to their expectations because they were so successful in college)So if any of these players end up faltering after all the hype and what they did, no matter what they do will be looked at as busts if they aren't successful at the next level.

 

Otherwise I would say Robert Nkemdiche is most likely to bust out of the non QBs.

Edited November 28, 2015 by JO_75

[BSHU_Miami]

Zeke Elliott has a Melvin Gordon feel to me

[Maryland]

Looking at things, I would say anyone from Ohio State. The only reason I say that is because Bosa, Elliott, Thomas, Washington is going to enter this draft with a lot of hype from not just the media but their success.(Look what happened to Tebow and Manziel who entered with so much hype and failed to live up to their expectations because they were so successful in college)So if any of these players end up faltering after all the hype and what they did, no matter what they do will be looked at as busts if they aren't successful at the next level.

 

Otherwise I would say Robert Nkemdiche is most likely to bust out of the non QBs.

I don't think comparing gimmick QBs to other positions is a good comparison, but there may be some truth to what you said.

 

I'm not sure who is helping whom on that OSU D-line. Are Bosa's double teams opening things up for other guys like Adolphus Washington? Did Michael Bennett open things up for Bosa to have an incredible, perhaps aberrational 2014 season? I'd like to see Bosa beat his double teams more reliably. He comes close to getting a sack on a lot of plays, but he often falls short for one reason or another. Maybe it's just bad luck/down year.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Myles Jack. An athletic freak who tore his acl which saps athleticism. Wonder how that can go wrong.

Torn meniscus which is still bad but people can recover.. Jack actually had game , and insticts and skills in coverage to warrant such a pick. I don't think he'll be a bust to be honest. If he has a steady recovery he'll still make the middle of a field a nightmare.

Derrick Henry goes in the first round, him. Probably Paxton Lynch.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I don't think comparing gimmick QBs to other positions is a good comparison, but there may be some truth to what you said.

I'm not sure who is helping whom on that OSU D-line. Are Bosa's double teams opening things up for other guys like Adolphus Washington? Did Michael Bennett open things up for Bosa to have an incredible, perhaps aberrational 2014 season? I'd like to see Bosa beat his double teams more reliably. He comes close to getting a sack on a lot of plays, but he often falls short for one reason or another. Maybe it's just bad luck/down year.

That means he's doing his job. He's putting pressure on the QB, which makes one thing lead to another. So yeah, the numbers may not be there, but as long as he's putting pressure on the QB he's doing something right.

[JoeyFlex5]

Looking at things, I would say anyone from Ohio State. The only reason I say that is because Bosa, Elliott, Thomas, Washington is going to enter this draft with a lot of hype from not just the media but their success.(Look what happened to Tebow and Manziel who entered with so much hype and failed to live up to their expectations because they were so successful in college)So if any of these players end up faltering after all the hype and what they did, no matter what they do will be looked at as busts if they aren't successful at the next level.

 

Otherwise I would say Robert Nkemdiche is most likely to bust out of the non QBs.

qb's who made a college career off of scrambling and broken plays, is apples and oranges when comparing them to joey bosa who has faced double and triple teams throughout his career and free'd up his inferior teammates while still having the best showing of any of them. 

 

also, id be willing to bet bosa would be quite happy to trade bennett and adolphus washington for brandon williams, timmy jernigan, and carl davis, theres many things you can bash the ravens for but their 3-man front is still the best in the league and any LB would be thrilled to play behind that.

[JoeyFlex5]

That means he's doing his job. He's putting pressure on the QB, which makes one thing lead to another. So yeah, the numbers may not be there, but as long as he's putting pressure on the QB he's doing something right.

his wreckage in the run game also seems to go unnoticed when people get caught up in the hype of the edge rush. in my eyes what makes him unquestionably worthy of a top 2 pick is the fact that he isnt just an edge rusher, he is an unstoppable force at the point of attack, whether hes crashing inside, crashing the sweep/stretch, pursuing from behind, bosa just dominates the trenches, i dont think hes as great as the media says he is, but i do think he will be the best OLB/DE in the league one day, hes gonna be a annual double digit sack guy, hes probably gonna force some fumbles as he just has a nose for turnovers, and he is probably gonna rank top 5 in TFL every year from blowing up runs in the backfield, he just doesnt get enough credit for that aspect of his game

[Cillmatic]

Ramsey could easily be a bust, teams are gonna draft him as a free safety without realizing that he rarely EVER played free safety in college.

[JoeyFlex5]

Ramsey could easily be a bust, teams are gonna draft him as a free safety without realizing that he rarely EVER played free safety in college.

i think he is gonna succeed, because the kid is just a good football player, but yeah i fell off his bandwagon a bit when i realized how much of his film happened less than 20 yards from the LOS. 

 

but then again, clinton-dix had a very similar tape but much less impressive, most of his standout play was making a tackle AFTER  a first down was already gained and the rest was just roaming deep with no action, and he has turned out fine. ramsey reminds me a lot of brian dawkins and i think hell have a similar career

[BmoreBird22]

Ramsey to me just doesn't have that range I'm looking for. I always see him leaning to one side of the field and he plays really more in the box than you'd expect of a FS.

With Clinton Dix, he wasn't playing in the box nearly as much and he was almost scared to come down and make a play in the box. He was usually sitting back and showed solid range on the back end

[52liveforever]

Myles Jack. An athletic freak who tore his acl which saps athleticism. Wonder how that can go wrong.

Tell Adrian Peterson that.

[Cillmatic]

Tell Adrian Peterson that.

In all fairness, AP is a feel of nature. His experience with injuries won't be the same as everyone else.

[52liveforever]

In all fairness, AP is a feel of nature. His experience with injuries won't be the same as everyone else.

 

Todd Gurley, Tom Brady. Marshall Yanda, Jamal Charles, Gronk, Joe Thomas, Von Miller, Navorro Bowman, Thomas Davis, Geno Atkins, Darrelle Revis, Eric Berry, Honey Badger, just to name a few more.

[arnie_uk]

Todd Gurley, Tom Brady. Marshall Yanda, Jamal Charles, Gronk, Joe Thomas, Von Miller, Navorro Bowman, Thomas Davis, Geno Atkins, Darrelle Revis, Eric Berry, Honey Badger, just to name a few more.

joe flacco

[52liveforever]

joe flacco

 

Well he hasn't come back successfully yet, but point is you can't write someone off from one ACL injury. Once it becomes a trend then yeah, but one ACL injury doesn't "snap athleticism".

[Cillmatic]

Todd Gurley, Tom Brady. Marshall Yanda, Jamal Charles, Gronk, Joe Thomas, Von Miller, Navorro Bowman, Thomas Davis, Geno Atkins, Darrelle Revis, Eric Berry, Honey Badger, just to name a few more.

All being elite to HOF level players

[GrimCoconut]

Ramsey. He'll either sink or swim. He has high bust factor due to hype combined with attitude. I really like him a lot but his attitude concerns me. I don't know if he can stay disciplined. He sorta has the attitude of Pollard and I don't mean that as a compliment. Rather, I'm talking about the bad attitude that could lead to DPI & unnecessary roughness penalties.

After him it's Leonard Floyd for me.

Edited November 28, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[arnie_uk]

Ramsey. He'll either sink or swim. He has high bust factor due to hype combined with attitude. I really like him a lot but his attitude concerns me. I don't know if he can stay disciplined. He sorta has the attitude of Pollard and I don't mean that as a compliment. Rather, I'm talking about the bad attitude that could lead to DPI & unnecessary roughness penalties.

After him it's Leonard Floyd for me.

I made a thread stating virtually the same thing about matt elam and his style of tackling. Thought he'd be a penalty machine at the next level

[GrimCoconut]

I made a thread stating virtually the same thing about matt elam and his style of tackling. Thought he'd be a penalty machine at the next level

Yeah, although Ramsey is certainly a better safety than Elam and he doesn't do the arm tackle; however, he does try to spear and that's just generally a terrible idea.

I'm more about drafting Bell, Thompson or converting King to a FS than taking Ramsey high.

[52liveforever]

All being elite to HOF level players

 

Exactly...

[Cillmatic]

Exactly...

So you think Myles Jack will be elite to HOF level?

[PurpleCity5]

I have to go with Leonard Floyd, but I have my doubts that he goes into the 1st. If I had to pick one guy, then I'm going with Shawn Oakman.....please don't hunt me down Shawn...

[52liveforever]

So you think Myles Jack will be elite to HOF level?

 

I didn't say that, but my point is one ACL tear doesn't necessarily "snap athleticism"(I know you weren't the one who made the initial comment). Now if it became a recurring issue that is different. Many players injure their ACL's and go on and have very successful careers. Some of those players you can boil it down to freak genetics if you like, but most of them it came down to heart and hard work to bounce back and rehab correctly and efficiently. To say Myles Jack's career is over before it begins due to one ACL tear is ignorant because there are plenty of players who have proven you can go on to have a great career following and in spite of that injury.

 

Is it possible that the injury effects him going forward? Of course it is and in many ways. He could tear it again, favor his other leg and tear that knee up, create doubts of his own abilities an limitations. I'm just saying you cant make the kind of distinction as "snap athleticism" when you haven't seen how he responds to the injury mentally and physically.

[BmoreBird22]

Corey Coleman is up there for me since I've seen some people giving him 1b receiver hype

[Maryland]

I could see Leonard Floyd disappointing if people think he'll be an every-down LB. I think he'll still be an effective speed rusher though.