Eugene Monroe - the workout warrior

[allblackraven]

IMO Tunsil is the best LT in this draft but the chances of him falling to us are slim as of now. I'm having a falling out with Ronnie Stanley, he's a fit in our ZBS but he reminds me of Monroe. I question his toughness and "nastyness". I wonder if he has those "play like a Raven" qualities. 

If you're worried about that, we can always draft Le'Raven Clark - if nothing else, he'll always play like a Raven

[PurpleCity5]

If you're worried about that, we can always draft Le'Raven Clark - if nothing else, he'll always play like a Raven

Draft him. Lol 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

There is another option. But it's highly unlikely and would get ridiculed.

We could wait till the draft and use Monroe as the ammo to trade up with say the Chargers. They still keep their top 10 pick and can fix their defense, get a LT that's good enough for Phillip. We get an opportunity to take Stanley or Tunsil. It's a win-win. But a bigger win for them.

So there is downside. Inevitably. We do that before the draft and get rid of him. Some desperate teams will give something up for him.

Edited December 13, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Winchester]

It would be nice to find a trade partner for Monroe!! I would trade Dumervil if it meant getting Tunsil!!

[Guest]

Aaron Wilson of the National Football Post reports that LT Eugene Monroe‘s future with the Ravens is in doubt.

Wilson points out that Monroe declined a simple contract restructure during the offseason that could have helped the team’s cap situation. The Ravens were reportedly disappointed with Monroe’s refusal to help them out.

This guys gotta go. Castillo apparently doesn't think he plays "like a raven" too. Awful signing Ozzie.

 

We acquired him in 2013.  We had more success under McKinnie that year, who retired at the end of the season.

 

I never liked Monroe. When he was healthy, he could get the job done if they didn't know we had to pass.  But he was not a great acquisition.  He was one of those guys Oz has been acquiring in the DeCosta era where they think they are getting a player almost as good for a lot less.  Except in Monroe's case vis a vie McKinnie that got a player of say the same ability for a lot more.

 

Its just Oz in the modern era.  Didn't get it then, you reap what you sow.

 

Also not sold on Tunsil even if we had the chance to acquire him, but some think winning in a hopeless year is more important than draft position in a hopeless year.

Edited December 13, 2015 by Danny D

[PurpleCity5]

I wonder who we will replace him with? Tunsil might be gone and I don't know if Stanley fits the identity of this offensive line.

I personally want some one who is "Nasty" on this OL. I want someone disgusting. Someone who will make players check under their bed at night before games. I think we need that on the OL and pass rush.

[ellicottraven]

I wonder who we will replace him with? Tunsil might be gone and I don't know if Stanley fits the identity of this offensive line.

I personally want some one who is "Nasty" on this OL. I want someone disgusting. Someone who will make players check under their bed at night before games. I think we need that on the OL and pass rush.

I don't know that whoever it is we draft will be a replacement for Monroe right away. At least it's not realistic to expect that and so common sense and logic tell me that Monroe will be here next year to continue this conversation. However, it shouldn't surprise us if he came back healthy and motivated enough to play the entire 16 games either!

 

But, in reality I think we will pick an O lineman in the 2-4th rounds and pick BPO in the first like we always do. Even if we were to pick Tunsil, I don't think he plays LT next year. The tendency of the Ravens is to work them in to LT like they did with Ogden. So next year unless Monroe comes back heatlhy and willing to protect Joe's blindside we are essentially in a quandary...

[PurpleCity5]

I don't know that whoever it is we draft will be a replacement for Monroe right away. At least it's not realistic to expect that and so common sense and logic tell me that Monroe will be here next year to continue this conversation. However, it shouldn't surprise us if he came back healthy and motivated enough to play the entire 16 games either!

But, in reality I think we will pick an O lineman in the 2-4th rounds and pick BPO in the first like we always do. Even if we were to pick Tunsil, I don't think he plays LT next year. The tendency of the Ravens is to work them in to LT like they did with Ogden. So next year unless Monroe comes back heatlhy and willing to protect Joe's blindside we are essentially in a quandary...

I don't know what we would do at LT to be honest but if you do get Tunsil then I don't know how you don't start him. I mean lets be homest, who are you going to throw out there? Hurst?(Sorry I love picking on him) In all seriousness I'm curious on how we will approach this off-season. We could execute a few trades, oh how I would love it if we landed Joe Thomas.

[jimmypowder]

Eugene Monroe is about to miss his 11th game in 2 seasons, that's just not want you want in a LT you've invested a lot in.

He's done .At least here in Baltimore . Put a fork in him .

[ravenbran]

Left tackle is now a bigger priority now that Joe got hurt because of Hurst. And will need better protection next year coming off acl surgery. Ravens should have signed Veldheer who is better than Monroe. Even when healthy Monroe has been very good but never elite but had many stretches where he struggled. Sucks that Other is playing so well. He seems to of found new motivation. If available I will bet Tunsil is the pick. He Wagner and Monroe will compete next year for starting spots. Tunsil will be the starting left tackle and Wagner Monroe will compete at right tackle. If there is an injury there will be a very good backup. I think this also makes the ravens CONSIDER keeping Osemele. Urschel and zuttah will compete at center and again the interior Oline will have a very good backup.

"Wonder Boy" Urchel anlong with Carrot Top Jensen have absolutley had their butts handed to them in a can the last two games. You can throw in Wagner in there too! He hasnt been stellar all year. Just another post blaming a injury on someone due to a below average quarterback who thinks he is too good to move around in the pocket.

Edited December 13, 2015 by ravenbran

[JO_75]

He's done .At least here in Baltimore . Put a fork in him .

I knew when I read we put him on IR it was it for him as a Raven. He's not coming back next year. If we could trade him for draft picks that would be a miracle. Sucks though, I thought we found a solid LT when we got him but he's been nothing but injured. I don't recall him being injured in Jacksonville.

[BmoreBird22]

Everyone knows I really love Eugene Monroe and really have since his days dating back to Jacksonville, but if the reports are true about him declining a simple contract restructure and the "play like a Raven attitude" not being there, then I'm pretty much okay with him being let go.

He is a supreme talent and a really great player when healthy, even here, but not every player is a fit for every single team they play for. 

Some options I'd really like to consider would be trading for Joe Thomas or signing the following: Cordy Glenn, Kelvin Beachum, Donald Penn, and Russell Okung. I'm doubting the Ravens could land Penn or Okung, but Glenn and Beachum are flying under the radar in a major way and they are both highly underrated. Beachum is coming off a major injury, so he could come cheaper. 

 

And the last option would be to tag or re-sign KO. I have no desire to tag Justin Tucker, but KO showed he could play LT today against a really strong pass rush. He has that "play like a Raven" attitude and sheer nastiness to his game. I had questioned his foot quickness to play T, but he answered those questions for me. He'd be an option to really consider because he had played LT in college, even.

[allblackraven]

Everyone knows I really love Eugene Monroe and really have since his days dating back to Jacksonville, but if the reports are true about him declining a simple contract restructure and the "play like a Raven attitude" not being there, then I'm pretty much okay with him being let go.

He is a supreme talent and a really great player when healthy, even here, but not every player is a fit for every single team they play for. 

Some options I'd really like to consider would be trading for Joe Thomas or signing the following: Cordy Glenn, Kelvin Beachum, Donald Penn, and Russell Okung. I'm doubting the Ravens could land Penn or Okung, but Glenn and Beachum are flying under the radar in a major way and they are both highly underrated. Beachum is coming off a major injury, so he could come cheaper. 

 

And the last option would be to tag or re-sign KO. I have no desire to tag Justin Tucker, but KO showed he could play LT today against a really strong pass rush. He has that "play like a Raven" attitude and sheer nastiness to his game. I had questioned his foot quickness to play T, but he answered those questions for me. He'd be an option to really consider because he had played LT in college, even.

Re KO - I agree but it will all hinge on money. He'd be crazy not to test the market and he'll find better $$ elsewhere, considering our cap situation.

 

The ideal option would be to find a trade partner for Monroe, then have the ability to designate Pitta post June 1st cut - those 5 mil need offloading too, I doubt he lines up ever again in the NFL.

[PurpleCity5]

People talk about Oher being a team-play but man so is K.O. If he plays phenomenal at LT and his audition goes well then I think we rethink our position on re-signing him. He "Plays like a Raven". If he excels at LT then I say we keep him there, but that is just me personally. Didn't he play RT at college? 

Edited December 14, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Inqui]

Re KO - I agree but it will all hinge on money. He'd be crazy not to test the market and he'll find better $$ elsewhere, considering our cap situation.

 

The ideal option would be to find a trade partner for Monroe, then have the ability to designate Pitta post June 1st cut - those 5 mil need offloading too, I doubt he lines up ever again in the NFL.

This Monroe situation complicates things so much with the nature of his contract for next season. 2017 might have to be another down year while we unload the rest of our bad contracts (as much as I think Webb's looked better recently he might be another one). Going by what we got for Boldin, I think we'd be lucky to get a seventh for Monroe. Both have some pretty big cap hits, but Boldin was at least coming off a dream SB run, while Monroe's just coming off a nightmare injury run.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Inqui

[allblackraven]

This Monroe situation complicates things so much with the nature of his contract for next season. 2017 might have to be another down year while we unload the rest of our bad contracts (as much as I think Webb's looked better recently he might be another one). Going by what we got for Boldin, I think we'd be lucky to get a seventh for Monroe. Both have some pretty big cap hits, but Boldin was at least coming off a dream SB run, while Monroe's just coming off a nightmare injury run.

Benefit of trading Monroe would be his salary for 2 years offloaded - anything else is just a bonus.

[PurpleCity5]

Benefit of trading Monroe would be his salary for 2 years offloaded - anything else is just a bonus.

I don't know anyone out there who would take him off our hands. I would approach Cleveland and troll them with Monroe and a 4th and see if they accept it because they are Cleveland. 

[Cillmatic]

We'd have to offer something like a 7th round pick and Monroe in exchange for a 6th rounder.

[ellicottraven]

I would simply cut him out of spite. That is how angry his situation makes me. But, serioulsy I think unless we find a trading partner he stays.

[GrimCoconut]

I just got caught up here. I haven't heard any of this news until now. 

 

My reactions went as follows: "He didn't take a restructure? Doesn't play like a Raven? Constantly injured? Harbaugh seems to almost imply that it's a decision he's making? Castillo doesn't like him? He needs to go." 

 

I'm not sure how true these reports are. They certainly sound compelling coming from two very, very reputable sources who likely got their info directly from The Castle, maybe even Ozzie or Harbaugh himself. 

 

Team chemistry is important, and honestly, this may be the time I cross over and say Monroe has quit and doesn't really want to play football. I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I do think he plays well when he's out there. He does play well and at an above-average level. That said, if he doesn't want to be here, he can take himself right out of Baltimore and I won't be sad at all. I hate players that don't want to play here and want them gone faster than they want to be gone. 

 

I admit I did wonder if he cashed his check and mailed it in, but I didn't think the evidence supported it. I'm not sure how true this stuff is, but it is really disappointing to hear. 

[GrimCoconut]

I would simply cut him out of spite. That is how angry his situation makes me. But, serioulsy I think unless we find a trading partner he stays.

That's not spiteful. He could choose where he goes. If you want to get back at him, cut him after June 1st when most teams set their rosters. He will have a harder time finding a job at that point. 

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I'll admit to being wrong about Monroe at this point. If this is all true, I want him gone

[52liveforever]

I liked KO at left tackle. Cut Monroe. Sign KO for guard money and put him at left tackle. Draft tackle in first four rounds as solid depth since KO has issues staying healthy. I'm happy

[Cillmatic]

I liked KO at left tackle. Cut Monroe. Sign KO for guard money and put him at left tackle. Draft tackle in first four rounds as solid depth since KO has issues staying healthy. I'm happy

So... Lie to KO? Not happening.

[The Raven]

Kelechi Osemele impressed me at left tackle yesterday, and I wish he would have been there all along. It's a one game sample size, but he looked better in that game than Monroe looked in most of his games. If we have the money, I want KO re-signed to play LT, pending these next couple of games. I think he has a future there.  He's straight nasty. He's a freak athlete. My only concerns with him were his technique and his consistency, but both of those things have improved in recent weeks. I think KO can play LT in this league.

[GrimCoconut]

Kelechi Osemele impressed me at left tackle yesterday, and I wish he would have been there all along. It's a one game sample size, but he looked better in that game than Monroe looked in most of his games. If we have the money, I want KO re-signed to play LT, pending these next couple of games. I think he has a future there. He's straight nasty. He's a freak athlete. My only concerns with him were his technique and his consistency, but both of those things have improved in recent weeks. I think KO can play LT in this league.

I have to say I didn't watch much due to finals, but I keep hearing he did well.

It makes you wonder why we traded for Monroe in the first place. This isn't the first time we've talked about using KO at LT. I think there's some fair criticism towards Ozzie or John in this regard.

[The Raven]

I have to say I didn't watch much due to finals, but I keep hearing he did well.

It makes you wonder why we traded for Monroe in the first place. This isn't the first time we've talked about using KO at LT. I think there's some fair criticism towards Ozzie or John in this regard.

 

Well, Ozzie and John always talk about having "the best five on the field," and they probably figured they would get the most out of the unit with KO at LG and someone else at LT. They probably figured that Monroe at LT and KO at LG would be better than KO at LT and ??? at LG.

 

It was nice to see a LT actually give a damn on a run play for once and put someone in the dirt. Monroe and Hurst are soft in that regard. What was impressive was how well KO kept the blindside clean for Joe. His footwork is a lot better than in college.

 

However, this may be because DE's haven't had a chance to watch film on him and figure out his tendencies. The next three weeks will be a good test of KO at LT. Once there's film of him, you might find weaknesses and certain moves that could beat him. KO did get beat bad on an inside move yesterday.

Edited December 14, 2015 by The Raven

[GrimCoconut]

Well, Ozzie and John always talk about having "the best five on the field," and they probably figured they would get the most out of the unit with KO at LG and someone else at LT. They probably figured that Monroe at LT and KO at LG would be better than KO at LT and ??? at LG.

It was nice to see a LT actually give a damn on a run play for once and put someone in the dirt. Monroe and Hurst are soft in that regard. What was impressive was how well KO kept the blindside clean for Joe. His footwork is a lot better than in college.

However, this may be because DE's haven't had a chance to watch film on him and figure out his tendencies. The next three weeks will be a good test of KO at LT. Once there's film of him, you might find weaknesses and certain moves that could beat him. KO did get beat bad on an inside move yesterday.

Yeah, that could be it. I just think it does raise questions, however. They may not be justified. It just makes me wonder. It could well be he wasn't ready.

I agree here. The next few weeks should really show his future and potential.

[The Raven]

Yeah, that could be it. I just think it does raise questions, however. They may not be justified. It just makes me wonder. It could well be he wasn't ready.

I agree here. The next few weeks should really show his future and potential.

 

I agree it raises questions, but I do think he wasn't ready. His technique always looked sketchy to me until around midway through this season. His footwork was always terrible in my view. When he played RT, his footwork was abysmal. I think he's gotten that aspect of his game together now. He might be ready. But who knows? I look forward to his next game at LT. It was a treat to see a LT that was nasty for a change.

[52liveforever]

So... Lie to KO? Not happening.

First of all why do you jump to conclusions? I didn't say lie to him.

Second of all no one in the open market is going to give him LT money after a few games. That would be bad business to pay him tackle money when we don't have to. Hes getting a lot of money either way, so I'd like to pinch pennies where I can. Like I said he's hitting free agency as a guard in everyone in the leagues mind. If we plan on playing him at LT it should make us feel a little better about giving him top dollar guard pay.