Eugene Monroe - the workout warrior

[Cillmatic]

I'm convinced, Monroe isn't gonna do anything for us and Hurst is awful. Time to draft a LT.

[gabrielgrissom]

Left tackle is now a bigger priority now that Joe got hurt because of Hurst. And will need better protection next year coming off acl surgery. Ravens should have signed Veldheer who is better than Monroe. Even when healthy Monroe has been very good but never elite but had many stretches where he struggled. Sucks that Other is playing so well. He seems to of found new motivation. If available I will bet Tunsil is the pick. He Wagner and Monroe will compete next year for starting spots. Tunsil will be the starting left tackle and Wagner Monroe will compete at right tackle. If there is an injury there will be a very good backup. I think this also makes the ravens CONSIDER keeping Osemele. Urschel and zuttah will compete at center and again the interior Oline will have a very good backup.

oh lord here we go again... I wouldn't have liked the idea of veldheer but who knows... But seriously Eugene at RT... Wagner is just having a down year I think rushed it off that lisfranc injury like jimmy did... Tunsil you can throw all the coins you want in a wishing well if he falls out of the top 2 message me and I'll find some way too get u back... And were defiantly falling to a top 2 pick... There's an almost certainty ko is gone and I have supported urschel at guard I really don't like him at center keep zuttah at center ursch had a real rough game today and got a bunch of call wrong

[Winchester]

oh lord here we go again... I wouldn't have liked the idea of veldheer but who knows... But seriously Eugene at RT... Wagner is just having a down year I think rushed it off that lisfranc injury like jimmy did... Tunsil you can throw all the coins you want in a wishing well if he falls out of the top 2 message me and I'll find some way too get u back... And were defiantly falling to a top 2 pick... There's an almost certainty ko is gone and I have supported urschel at guard I really don't like him at center keep zuttah at center ursch had a real rough game today and got a bunch of call wrong

Like I said give him until week17!! Urschel gets movement,Zuttah does not. Don't be so sure KO will sign elsewhere. His injuries could diminish his value just enough for the ravens to resign him. With Yanda in his 30s I do not know how management could let KO walk. Tucker will not be as expensive as once thought. And I said Wagner Monroe compete at right tackle where I expect Wagner to be much better after healing and be a fine Right Tackle.

Edited December 7, 2015 by Winchester

[Winchester]

I'm convinced, Monroe isn't gonna do anything for us and Hurst is awful. Time to draft a LT.

Ravens are still in the hunt for a top 4 pick and Tunsil.

[gabrielgrissom]

Like I said give him until week17!! Urschel gets movement,Zuttah does not. Don't be so sure KO will sign elsewhere. His injuries could diminish his value just enough for the ravens to resign him. With Yanda in his 30s I do not know how management could let KO walk. Tucker will not be as expensive as once thought. And I said Wagner Monroe compete at right tackle where I expect Wagner to be much better after healing and be a fine Right Tackle.

because we just resigned yanda...

[Static]

Monroe will decide if he wants to play the rest of the season with his new shoulder injury.

Something tells me I already know his answer

[jdynamite]

I have to say I'm extremely disappointed with Monroe. Injuries happen that's apart of the game. But his play hasn't been any good regardless. He didn't miss many games for the Jaguars and he never played in a meaningful game with them either. This looks like the worse signing in recent memory due to performance and durability now.

We just can't get it right post-Ogden.....

[Bltravens]

Monroe will decide if he wants to play the rest of the season with his new shoulder injury.

Something tells me I already know his answer

Well why would he unless he's 100%?  

[ellicottraven]

Now that Harbs has said that it is between him, his agent and his doctor, post another MRI of course, why would anyone presume he's going to play with his injury? Harbaugh is resigned to the fact that Monroe won't be playing the rest of the year. Why would he need another MRI unless the first MRI showed nothing to indicate why he was sitting out? Unreal...

[GrimCoconut]

I have to say I'm extremely disappointed with Monroe. Injuries happen that's apart of the game. But his play hasn't been any good regardless. He didn't miss many games for the Jaguars and he never played in a meaningful game with them either. This looks like the worse signing in recent memory due to performance and durability now.

We just can't get it right post-Ogden.....

With all due respect my man, comments like these really disappoint me. Monroe has NOT been bad when he actually gets on the field. The problem with him is he hasn't been on the field for two years now. The guy is constantly banged up these past two years. It's ridiculous.That said, come on with that stuff saying he's not good regardless. That's not true.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

Ravens are still in the hunt for a top 4 pick and Tunsil.

 

It wouldn't make sense to spend such a rare and expensive draft pick on a LT when we already have a player who is one of the highest paid players at the position.Plus,Monroe is good enough for us to keep playing this "will he or won't he play" game with him until his contract is up.Now that we're officially out of the running for Bosa,it seems like it's more likely that we'll be drafting Jalen Ramsey.I'd rather Ozzie draft Treadwell,but I'm starting to become okay with the idea that Ramsey will be a Raven in April.

Edited December 9, 2015 by HomeoftheBRAVENS

[Winchester]

It wouldn't make sense to spend such a rare and expensive draft pick on a LT when we already have a player who is one of the highest paid players at the position.Plus,Monroe is good enough for us to keep playing this "will he or won't he play" game with him until his contract is up.Now that we're officially out of the running for Bosa,it seems like it's more likely that we'll be drafting Jalen Ramsey.I'd rather Ozzie draft Treadwell,but I'm starting to become okay with the idea that Ramsey will be a Raven in April.

I don't give a damn what a guy is getting payed(no pun intended) if he is a liability he is a liability!! The guy can't stay in the line up!! When he does he is mediocre and vastly overrated!! If he were an elite left tackle he would Never have been traded for mid/late round for draft picks!! Then he got very very little attention in free agency. Ozzie was duped trading for and paying Monroe!! Tunsil is a future all pro. He is far better than top 10 drafted tackles of recent drafts.

As for Ramsey I don't see him bullying NFL receivers and TEs and he will struggle with the more explosive receivers. Not to mention with the rule changes favoring receivers the shutdown cornerback or rangy fs has been devalued. All of your successful defensive backs are part of great secondaries with good a good qb rush. To make a dent overall team defense and success next year the ravens would have to revamp the secondary. Exhibit A, Patsies lose Revis,arguably the best in the game and are actually a far better defense this year!! Tunsil however, not only has a legit shot of being the best left tackle in the league. But he would complete a formidable, dominant,physical athletic,agressive OLine that could control the ball,wear down opposing teams and be the key to a potent run game and high scoring effort!! A receiver like Thomas\Boyd\Doctson in round2 would complete the offense. Joe Cool would throw from a clean pocket and go through progressions. Trestman could implement various game plans, any route concept and mix up run\throw because of the OLine dominance and promising runners. Tunsil and a receiver just fit well and complete with what the ravens already have going. A franchise QB, promising Running backs especially Buck Allen with his receiving skills, and a physical formidable interior trio of Yanda KO and Urschel. Left tackle being a liability negates the other OLinemans work.

[Guest]

Even when he wasn't banged up his play was marginal...average perhaps.

 

The missed time pretty much seals the deal.

 

We have so many needs I'm not sure we can devote resources to Left Tackle.

 

As far as Oz screwing up, some things speak for themselves. He's definitely slumping late in his career, but he can turn it around right?

Edited December 10, 2015 by Danny D

[BmoreBird22]

Even when he wasn't banged up his play was marginal...average perhaps.

The missed time pretty much seals the deal.

We have so many needs I'm not sure we can devote resources to Left Tackle.

As far as Oz screwing up, some things speak for themselves. He's definitely slumping late in his career, but he can turn it around right?

When I read your posts, I figure the opposite to be true

[ALPHA]

Even when he wasn't banged up his play was marginal...average perhaps.

 

The missed time pretty much seals the deal.

 

We have so many needs I'm not sure we can devote resources to Left Tackle.

 

As far as Oz screwing up, some things speak for themselves. He's definitely slumping late in his career, but he can turn it around right?

 

I don't put too much stock into Oz being in a slump or whatever, luck plays into selections and at the end of the day the player still has to stay healthy and progress/fit into the system.

[BmoreBird22]

If he were an elite left tackle he would Never have been traded for mid/late round for draft picks!! Then he got very very little attention in free agency. 

I'm not usually one to reply to bogus statements, but I do want to answer this question.

When Eugene Monroe was drafted, the Jaguars drafted him at eight overall, coming off a 5-11 season that saw them finish last in the AFC South. The Jaguars then went 7-9 (fourth), 8-8 (second), 5-11 (third), and 2-14 (fourth). 

Luke Joeckel was considered the top available prospect in the entire 2013 draft, so naturally, the new GM (Caldwell) and coach (Bradley) are going to go BPA with no quarterbacks being worth taking there (remember, the most... impressive quarterbacks were Manuel and Smith, neither of whom are starting). 

 

After starting 0-8 and having just drafted the best prospect in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Jaguars were very unlikely to have Eugene Monroe re-sign, even if Joeckel was willing to play RT. The Jaguars had never once gone to the playoffs when he was in Jacksonville, so again, he was likely on his way out. Given that he was going to be a free agent at the end of the season, the Jaguars wanted to get ANYTHING for him and the Ravens gave up fair compensation for a player that was not guaranteed to re-sign. 

 

And just so we're clear about FA, he never even made it to free agency. The Ravens re-signed him just hours before free agency began. Literally the only team to negotiate was the Ravens, but the Dolphins viewed Monroe as a target.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Change will happen at LT, but question is do we have that person, will we draft that person or acquire him in FA?  Also, how will he cost to cut?

Edited December 10, 2015 by Tenacious Faulker

[Inqui]

Change will happen at LT, but question is do we have that person, will we draft that person or acquire him in FA?  Also, how will he cost to cut?

If we cut him in the offseason we'd save $2.1 million, but have $6.6 million of dead money on the books. If we cut him the year after that we'd save closer to $4.5 million, so I think he's going to play next season at least.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm not usually one to reply to bogus statements, but I do want to answer this question.

When Eugene Monroe was drafted, the Jaguars drafted him at eight overall, coming off a 5-11 season that saw them finish last in the AFC South. The Jaguars then went 7-9 (fourth), 8-8 (second), 5-11 (third), and 2-14 (fourth). 

Luke Joeckel was considered the top available prospect in the entire 2013 draft, so naturally, the new GM (Caldwell) and coach (Bradley) are going to go BPA with no quarterbacks being worth taking there (remember, the most... impressive quarterbacks were Manuel and Smith, neither of whom are starting). 

 

After starting 0-8 and having just drafted the best prospect in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Jaguars were very unlikely to have Eugene Monroe re-sign, even if Joeckel was willing to play RT. The Jaguars had never once gone to the playoffs when he was in Jacksonville, so again, he was likely on his way out. Given that he was going to be a free agent at the end of the season, the Jaguars wanted to get ANYTHING for him and the Ravens gave up fair compensation for a player that was not guaranteed to re-sign. 

 

And just so we're clear about FA, he never even made it to free agency. The Ravens re-signed him just hours before free agency began. Literally the only team to negotiate was the Ravens, but the Dolphins viewed Monroe as a target.

Dude. According to him he's not an, "alpha male"(ironic since Monroe remains in peak physical condition for a LT, and does MMA to train, and could probably beat the living crap of literally every person on this board. Yeah. Not an alpha male). Ridiculous statement since before this year he was regarded as a top 10 LT each season. And as to the injuries thing. Who this year on the oline HASN'T had an injury at some point. Wagner? Returning from one? KO, also injury prone. No one seems to give him crap for it since we actually have two capable backups there. Zuttah? Out for the year. Again, we're blessed with Urschel. 

 

I don't think LT is that big of a need. I think BACKUP LT is a huge need. Monroe, even this season, when he has played has not been bad. 

 

Monroe will probably stay for at least another season. If he stays healthy and plays well next year(cause let's face it. After this cursed season, there's nowhere to go but up) and IF we get Tunsil or Stanley in the draft, we have a SB caliber oline again, which should scare the living bejesus out of people when you consider that you have Maxx, Crockett, etc. 

 

Literally, staying healthy would make us a wildcard team again. 

 

I think we get new conditioning coaches,and the turf change will actually help. 

 

Fwiw. I think we either retain KO or go get a guard rather than draft a LT. The defense is the unit that needs the most help. We'd be lucky if Stanley or Tunsil fall

[Winchester]

I'm not usually one to reply to bogus statements, but I do want to answer this question.

When Eugene Monroe was drafted, the Jaguars drafted him at eight overall, coming off a 5-11 season that saw them finish last in the AFC South. The Jaguars then went 7-9 (fourth), 8-8 (second), 5-11 (third), and 2-14 (fourth). 

Luke Joeckel was considered the top available prospect in the entire 2013 draft, so naturally, the new GM (Caldwell) and coach (Bradley) are going to go BPA with no quarterbacks being worth taking there (remember, the most... impressive quarterbacks were Manuel and Smith, neither of whom are starting). 

 

After starting 0-8 and having just drafted the best prospect in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Jaguars were very unlikely to have Eugene Monroe re-sign, even if Joeckel was willing to play RT. The Jaguars had never once gone to the playoffs when he was in Jacksonville, so again, he was likely on his way out. Given that he was going to be a free agent at the end of the season, the Jaguars wanted to get ANYTHING for him and the Ravens gave up fair compensation for a player that was not guaranteed to re-sign. 

 

And just so we're clear about FA, he never even made it to free agency. The Ravens re-signed him just hours before free agency began. Literally the only team to negotiate was the Ravens, but the Dolphins viewed Monroe as a target.

Talk about bogus, elite left tackles do not make it to free agency!! Joe Thomas needs to be resigned and teams were still going to part with a round1 pick. And he is 32 yrs old!! And Joeckel was viewed as an incomplete prospect because he does not show much power. Which is why Fisher went before him. And Fisher needed to add power as well. Joeckel actually could be decent if he got stronger. Regardless,Monroe rarely plays and is barely mediocre when he does play!!

[Maryland]

And just so we're clear about FA, he never even made it to free agency. The Ravens re-signed him just hours before free agency began. Literally the only team to negotiate was the Ravens, but the Dolphins viewed Monroe as a target.

Actually I specifically remember Monroe testing FA after the frenzy, watching Miami get Albert and Arizona Veldheer, and then being surprised no one signed Monroe. He had to come back and take our offer after testing the waters.

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Re-Sign-Tackle-Eugene-Monroe/cfbc1b01-a1d8-47fb-a8a4-8561c8a9d0da

[Tru11]

Actually I specifically remember Monroe testing FA after the frenzy, watching Miami get Albert and Arizona Veldheer, and then being surprised no one signed Monroe. He had to come back and take our offer after testing the waters.

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Re-Sign-Tackle-Eugene-Monroe/cfbc1b01-a1d8-47fb-a8a4-8561c8a9d0da

 

according to that article he was signed within an hour of FA opening.

 

not sure if that is what people can call testing FA lol.

[BmoreBird22]

Actually I specifically remember Monroe testing FA after the frenzy, watching Miami get Albert and Arizona Veldheer, and then being surprised no one signed Monroe. He had to come back and take our offer after testing the waters.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Ravens-Re-Sign-Tackle-Eugene-Monroe/cfbc1b01-a1d8-47fb-a8a4-8561c8a9d0da

Refer to Tru because it's exactly what I said

[balfan23]

It wouldn't make sense to spend such a rare and expensive draft pick on a LT when we already have a player who is one of the highest paid players at the position.Plus,Monroe is good enough for us to keep playing this "will he or won't he play" game with him until his contract is up.Now that we're officially out of the running for Bosa,it seems like it's more likely that we'll be drafting Jalen Ramsey.I'd rather Ozzie draft Treadwell,but I'm starting to become okay with the idea that Ramsey will be a Raven in April.

On the overall sentiment, I agree. I will really be surprised if we go LT on our 1st pick, despite our current woes at that position. 

 

However - Given that Monroe is 13th in both average annual salary and guaranteed money among LTs, While he's being paid at a level where you'd like to think he'd be at least a reliable starting player at a key position, I don't consider that being "one of the highest paid players at the position". Also, he won't be playing "until his contract is up" if his level of availability doesn't improve in the coming year. He will be cut before the 2017 season if this continues. 

 

A lot of folks are playing the 20/20 hindsight game by blasting the FO for writing Monroe such a terrible contract. While I'm as frustrated with him as other fans (and, from what I can tell, the coaching staff) I don't understand that view. His lack of availability has only become problematic after the contract was signed. Now, I'm not necessarily implying that he's shutting it down now that he got paid ... I'm just saying that his contract fit his performance at the time it was offered. 

[rmcjacket23]

Refer to Tru because it's exactly what I said

Technically, he's correct. Though the legal tampering/negotiation phase isn't factored into that, and it ignores the fact that a lot of your "tier 1" FAs sign within minutes of FA opening, because they've already agreed to a deal with another team that just can't be technically "announced" or signed until FA opens. No different than Torrey announcing he's not returning before FA even opens.

 

To me, not testing FA would mean he resigns with the Ravens during the exclusive negotiating window. If a guy starts listening to offers during the legal tampering phase of FA, to me, he's testing FA. We all know a lot of these deals come together rather quickly, so the timeline doesn't really mean much to me.

 

If you haven't signed a FA deal within like the first 2-3 days of FA opening, you're almost being left behind by the market.

[PurpleCity5]

Technically, he's correct. Though the legal tampering/negotiation phase isn't factored into that, and it ignores the fact that a lot of your "tier 1" FAs sign within minutes of FA opening, because they've already agreed to a deal with another team that just can't be technically "announced" or signed until FA opens. No different than Torrey announcing he's not returning before FA even opens.

To me, not testing FA would mean he resigns with the Ravens during the exclusive negotiating window. If a guy starts listening to offers during the legal tampering phase of FA, to me, he's testing FA. We all know a lot of these deals come together rather quickly, so the timeline doesn't really mean much to me.

If you haven't signed a FA deal within like the first 2-3 days of FA opening, you're almost being left behind by the market.

Right on the money here. In fact, Torrey being a 49er had already been leaked before the FA period. You can agree to deals, you just can't sign then. Just because Monroe signed when the FA period began doesn't mean he didn't get any offers from someone else.

[atomicfront]

If we cut him in the offseason we'd save $2.1 million, but have $6.6 million of dead money on the books. If we cut him the year after that we'd save closer to $4.5 million, so I think he's going to play next season at least.

 

Yeah even if we drafted a left tack in the first round it would be worth 2 million to have a back up tackle that could step right in.  

[rmcjacket23]

Yeah even if we drafted a left tack in the first round it would be worth 2 million to have a back up tackle that could step right in.  

Agreed. If we draft a tackle early, I still expect Monroe to be retained for next season and probably start. You get significantly more savings from cutting him in 2017.

 

Either way, regardless of whether or not we draft a LT early this coming draft, I'd say 2016 is a make-or-break season for Monroe anyway.

[Moderator 3]

Assuming we lose K.O., if we draft a LT, we would probably play him at LG the first year like we did with Ogden.

[-Truth-]

If we cut him in the offseason we'd save $2.1 million, but have $6.6 million of dead money on the books. If we cut him the year after that we'd save closer to $4.5 million, so I think he's going to play next season at least.

That's my sentiment as well. His availability will likely continue being a concern moving forward, but saving $2 million by cutting an above-average LT just doesn't seem to outweigh the benefits of keeping him, at least until the year after. Honestly, I doubt it would be as much of an issue if we didn't have one of the worst players at the position backing him up. I think the position will be solidified if we find a capable reserve.