Offseason Forecast

[GrimCoconut]

But that was just moving up one spot and was not the value of a guy like Joe Thomas. Wasn't entirely at you though as I think trading down could be a theme and the value can get messed up. How much did the Dolphins give up to move up for Dion Jordan? What the Bills gave up for Watkins would be pretty realistic though and if the Browns are in similar position, Joe Thomas could be on the table. Just don't see a 2012 type trade being realistic unless a QB separates themselves and we are at #1.

Oh I'm with you. I agree actually. Then again, I think compensation is commensurate with the quality of player and the draft itself. I don't think this draft is great but I think it's better than 2013, which is what impacted those values.

If the Browns did make a trade with us, Joe Thomas and their first for our first would likely be realistic and commensurate. Not sure we'll get any other picks there, but do you really need any more with Thomas and a high first? Lol

[Ravens2343]

i didnt know this and ive often seen him pegged as a late first.

 

as far as ogbahs value, you cant project a first rounder to us in the second and just say "anything can happen", especially a rapidly rising prospect, you have to basically treat his current projections as rule, nobody in their right mind at this time last year could have legitimately projected la'el collins to go undrafted by saying "anything can happen", its just not practical, but i get what youre saying. and we dont just love him as ravens fans, pro scouts have thought very highly of ogbah for a while, and the media is just now catching up, i also had him mocked to us in the 2nd round but he was grossly undervalued at the time, pro scouts value the guy greatly as he can play DE or OLB in 4-3 and 3-4, respectively, and he is an extremely high character guy, hes basically a concrete lock for the first round at this point, he very well could go top 10, as a matter of fact id be shocked if he didnt go top 12

 

I understand what you are saying and i refer to CBSSPORTS draft rankings frequently to see where players are ranked.  They had Ogbah as a 1-2 round prospect so i undervalued him a bit.  Nonetheless, I would be more then happy with someone like Ryan Nassib or Calhoun at the top of the 2nd instead of Ogbah.  Either way in my mock offseason I would prefer us to sign Nick Perry and still acquire a big time edge rushing talent in the top of the second round.  

 

Johnstone would be a great value pick for us in the 4th-5th round due to his medical issues, but he was thought highly of before the injuries.

[Ravens2343]

Here's a crazy thought: 

 

What if the Ravens traded with the Browns, who traded up to take a QB to replace Manziel because he doesn't seem capable of getting the job done, and in that trade, they acquire Joe Thomas from the Browns, of whom the Browns supposedly considered trading before the deadline, as part of that deal? 

 

I would absolutely take this deal if offered. We've seen the Browns make such moves in the past a la Richardson. 

 

I would love to have Joe Thomas on the Ravens, but no way can we afford his salary and Monroe's.  Plus Monroe probably would not make a good guard and he is virtually untradeable this year due to his contract and injury issues.  If we were to do that trade I would prefer we just resgin KO and still take a LT high in the draft to eventually replace Monroe.  I like your idea of making a trade though because if we land a top 3 pick, I could see Ozzie pulling the trigger on a blockbuster type deal

[Ravenseconbeast]

Our run game is out of wack.  Im honestly done with Taliaferro.   Forsett looks serviceable.   I say we can grab one @ draft.  Same 4th round but earlier.

[January J]

Our run game is out of wack.  Im honestly done with Taliaferro.   Forsett looks serviceable.   I say we can grab one @ draft.  Same 4th round but earlier.

I think our running game is fine, we need to bolster the line. I'm not quite done on tali yet, I think he was in for a big year before he reaggravated the injury ..he should have went ahead and gotten the surgery last season. I think him west and mostert will have to just duke it out for that final spot next season.

[GrimCoconut]

I would love to have Joe Thomas on the Ravens, but no way can we afford his salary and Monroe's.  Plus Monroe probably would not make a good guard and he is virtually untradeable this year due to his contract and injury issues.  If we were to do that trade I would prefer we just resgin KO and still take a LT high in the draft to eventually replace Monroe.  I like your idea of making a trade though because if we land a top 3 pick, I could see Ozzie pulling the trigger on a blockbuster type deal

Look, if you can get Joe Thomas, that means you can also say bye to Monroe. He'll be gone. We'll save a nominal amount, but there's no way he sticks around and Thomas isn't playing LG lol.

[thieverycorporation]

There really only seems to be 2 guys that are projected high 1st rounders and thats Goff and Lynch, now the question is will the perceived lack of top end talent drive up demand for the top 2? I think it will. And call me crazy cause they just traded for Bradford but I could see Chip Kelly making a big move for Goff.

ChipnDip may not be the coach or have any say because he's foundering at the moment. He's in as much trouble as the Brownies because he blew-up a ready made team that was primed for success. The media doesn't believe he will succeed and neither do I. His choices have been disastrous. I don't know if they will continue to mortgage the franchises future unabated. If he does remain in control i tend to believe he will have constraints placed upon him. Samething maybe the case W/Farmer and his Browns.  He maybe relieved of duties before years end. I hope we get the chance to fleece them but change for 2 teams are probably in the wind.

[JoeyFlex5]

I understand what you are saying and i refer to CBSSPORTS draft rankings frequently to see where players are ranked.  They had Ogbah as a 1-2 round prospect so i undervalued him a bit.  Nonetheless, I would be more then happy with someone like Ryan Nassib or Calhoun at the top of the 2nd instead of Ogbah.  Either way in my mock offseason I would prefer us to sign Nick Perry and still acquire a big time edge rushing talent in the top of the second round.  

 

Johnstone would be a great value pick for us in the 4th-5th round due to his medical issues, but he was thought highly of before the injuries.

i dont like calhoun, at all, he has a horrible jump, i watched about 10 minutes worth of film and noticed he was almost always the last one off the snap, i dont know how he can rack up sacks if he jumps that late

[Ravens2343]

Look, if you can get Joe Thomas, that means you can also say bye to Monroe. He'll be gone. We'll save a nominal amount, but there's no way he sticks around and Thomas isn't playing LG lol.

 

If we cut Monroe wont he count a lot in dead money?  I would love Joe Thomas, but that doesn't seem like the type of move the Ravens will make.  I am starting to really warm up to the idea of us taking Tunsil or Stanley at the top of the draft it the situation presents itself.  Either way, we need to upgrade the LT spot and the swing tackle spot

[January J]

ChipnDip may not be the coach or have any say because he's foundering at the moment. He's in as much trouble as the Brownies because he blew-up a ready made team that was primed for success. The media doesn't believe he will succeed and neither do I. His choices have been disastrous. I don't know if they will continue to mortgage the franchises future unabated. If he does remain in control i tend to believe he will have constraints placed upon him. Samething maybe the case W/Farmer and his Browns.  He maybe relieved of duties before years end. I hope we get the chance to fleece them but change for 2 teams are probably in the wind.

yeah I was just about to say the same thing...I don't think chip will even be back next year...and if he is I have a small feeling that kap will land in philly and they will become a heavy read option team and let kap be kap. Not saying it's a good idea but chip is dumb like that.

[thieverycorporation]

yeah I was just about to say the same thing...I don't think chip will even be back next year...and if he is I have a small feeling that kap will land in philly and they will become a heavy read option team and let kap be kap. Not saying it's a good idea but chip is dumb like that.

He and his ego are straining the relationships in the NFL. Players didn't buy in, the fan base is buying it or won't be for much longer. His pitch to sell any deal will have to be a no-brainer. And he over thinks trying to be the next the Belicheet. His numbers coming up. Quickly. NOt foR lOng.

Edited November 25, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[GrimCoconut]

If we cut Monroe wont he count a lot in dead money? I would love Joe Thomas, but that doesn't seem like the type of move the Ravens will make. I am starting to really warm up to the idea of us taking Tunsil or Stanley at the top of the draft it the situation presents itself. Either way, we need to upgrade the LT spot and the swing tackle spot

There's dead money but we'll actually save 2.1M so it's not terrible. The only way I'd see us cutting him is if we got someone like Thomas, though. Monroe is good when healthy, but that's just the problem Edited November 25, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Clmraven]

He and his ego are straining the relationships in the NFL. Players didn't buy in, the fan base is buying it or won't be for much longer. His pitch to sell any deal will have to be a no-brainer. And he over thinks trying to be the next the Belicheet. His numbers coming up. Quickly. NOt foR lOng.

I don't know, I can't see him being fire after 2 good seasons he's shown he can win, now he wants to build his own team and that doesn't happen overnight. And yea he is taking a belichick type approach but Jeffery Lurie probably likes that, I mean he's from Boston and is a huge Boston sports fan, he more than likely brought in Kelly to build his own patriots.

[January J]

I don't know, I can't see him being fire after 2 good seasons he's shown he can win, now he wants to build his own team and that doesn't happen overnight. And yea he is taking a belichick type approach but Jeffery Lurie probably likes that, I mean he's from Boston and is a huge Boston sports fan, he more than likely brought in Kelly to build his own patriots.

not sure if I would consider this a good season u less they turn things around pretty fast. They're currently below .500

[Clmraven]

not sure if I would consider this a good season u less they turn things around pretty fast. They're currently below .500

I meant the two 10 win seasons.

[January J]

I meant the two 10 win seasons.

oh ok, yeah that's pretty good I suppose but he's failed to make the playoffs and this year he tore apart the entire roster. He may not get fired but he will be put on a short leash and get his authority card taken away. Lotta people saying he has completely lost the locker room.

[Clmraven]

oh ok, yeah that's pretty good I suppose but he's failed to make the playoffs and this year he tore apart the entire roster. He may not get fired but he will be put on a short leash and get his authority card taken away. Lotta people saying he has completely lost the locker room.

I agree he could lose his GM responsibility, it wouldn't surprise me if he got fired but I think the only way that happens is if the players come out and make it happen. I think he's made some good moves and some bad moves I liked a lot of the players he drafted and Maclin just got over paid. The things I don't get is giving 60+mil to a sub par CB and trading a good young RB for a LB that they didn't even really need.

[Xmadraven]

I agree he could lose his GM responsibility, it wouldn't surprise me if he got fired but I think the only way that happens is if the players come out and make it happen. I think he's made some good moves and some bad moves I liked a lot of the players he drafted and Maclin just got over paid. The things I don't get is giving 60+mil to a sub par CB and trading a good young RB for a LB that they didn't even really need.

 

Chip kelly is a solid HC who tried to be a GM and failed is he an amazing genius? No. He's not bad but he's definitley got issues. Annnd lesean trade is still a win for kelly cause Salary cap $$.

[Clmraven]

Chip kelly is a solid HC who tried to be a GM and failed is he an amazing genius? No. He's not bad but he's definitley got issues. Annnd lesean trade is still a win for kelly cause Salary cap $$.

But then he used the cap space for huge contracts for Demarco Murray And Byron Maxwell. So was the trade really worth it?

[Xmadraven]

But then he used the cap space for huge contracts for Demarco Murray And Byron Maxwell. So was the trade really worth it?

Nope. But still it's a win for getting something for a player he just would've cut

[Maryland]

If KO can show any ability to play LT in these last 3 games, I have to wonder how it could affect our FA.

 

For one, we know they're moving on from Monroe from the sound of things. 

 

One outcome: KO hits FA as expected, nets a bigger contract because of his versatility to play LG at a very high level or play LT if needed. We still need a LT.

 

Another outcome: KO shows the ability to play LT well. With the need at LT, Ozzie signs him to an extension to play LT going forward. Assuming we also extend/franchise J.Tucker, that means Ozzie's only UFA who will net a comp. pick is Upshaw. If Upshaw is our only potential comp. pick, so Ozzie sees no reason not to sign UFA(s) to fill big position(s) of need. We're still low on cap space, but it doesn't limit him to cap-casualties. This also means LT would not be a pressing need entering the draft.

 

I know it's 1 game, but something to think about going forward. Hope KO mans the blindside well these last 3 games =)