The Matt Schaub Thread

[Militant X 1]

I love seeing Tyrod succeed. He got a chance to move to a new spot where they were eager to give him a TON of offensive weapons and play to his strengths. He is not letting them down after all that like some do. He's been a lot of fun to watch. Any chance he results in a comp pick? Please...

 

He sure has been bro!  I knew he had what it takes to succeed in the NFL as a starting QB if he had a legitimate chance to.

 

But...back to Schaub....horrible!  I think he is done!

[JEEPercreepermd]

Honestly, Schaub is doing better than I thought he would. At the very least, he's showing that he could still play. Wouldn't surprise me if a Team like Philly or St. Louis picks him up this offseason to be part of a QB competition.

[rmw10]

I really wish we still had Tyrod.  Even with the inconsistencies he showed in his time here, I'd much rather see him out there than Schaub.  At least he was fun to watch.  He might not have always made the best decisions, but at least he made it exciting.  Schaub is so painful to watch.

[beanfigger]

Honestly, Schaub is doing better than I thought he would. At the very least, he's showing that he could still play. Wouldn't surprise me if a Team like Philly or St. Louis picks him up this offseason to be part of a QB competition.

He would be DREADFUL in the Eagles system. To be fair though, we have yet to find a QB who isn't.

St. Louis maybe, but I was think the Jets or possibly Dallas as a backup.

[flynismo]

At the very least, he's showing that he could still play.

Yes, he can still play. With any level of competence? I haven't seen it yet. I would love to, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

As a side note, he never had a strong arm to begin with, but he really seems to have lost the little zip he had before. Could get really ugly the next few weeks

[Nicky-B]

Personally today's loss was all on Matt Schaub .... period; Two picks and 14 points!  If I were HC, I'd bench him.

[rmw10]

Personally today's loss was all on Matt Schaub .... period; Two picks and 14 points!  If I were HC, I'd bench him.

 

Not much question that Schaub is bad, but who else are you going to play at this point?  Jimmy Clausen?  He might even give worse results.

[ellicottraven]

Short of the 2 INTs only one of which he could've avoided - the pick 6, I actually think Schaub played quite well considering he's just getting his feet wet being a starter. He's been fairly accurate and finding open receivers.

[rmw10]

Short of the 2 INTs only one of which he could've avoided - the pick 6, I actually think Schaub played quite well considering he's just getting his feet wet being a starter. He's been fairly accurate and finding open receivers.

 

The biggest issue with Schaub, aside from the interceptions, is his arm strength.  It's not where it needs to be any more.  He struggles to pump the ball down field or down the middle with any sort of consistency.  I see an awful lot of designed checkdowns for him and that's not a good thing.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The '...I rather have Schaulb to make a playoff run than Flacco,,,," thing is just not worthy of comment for me. Get well soon Joe.

 

That said, I think that last pick-six Schaulb threw may have been his last for his career (just a feeling).

Just looking at his reactions immediately when it left his hand (he knew it was a mistake), when it was picked and returned (he felt the weight of his entire career being dumped on him) and after the KickSix (he looked as though he was humbled, reflective and determined to never let that happen again).

 

Just a thought.

I was wrong on this one. Maybe this one will be the last one. Outside of that he played pretty respectable. That last one was a little too freakish to be a true PickSix. What a season.

[atomicfront]

I was wrong on this one. Maybe this one will be the last one. Outside of that he played pretty respectable. That last one was a little too freakish to be a true PickSix. What a season.

 

Schaub has faced two awful defenses in the Browns and the Dolphins.  23rd and 25th respectively against the pass. Next week in the Seahawks he faces the 4th best pass defense.  I think Schaub is going to be entering a world of pain. 

[BmoreBird22]

The thing with Tyrod is he went to a team and had the offense pretty much tailor (no pun intended) made to his skill set. Greg Roman made Colin Kaepernick the next big thing and took him to the Super Bowl in 2012.

Not to mention he's playing with Sammy Watkins (first round pick), Robert Woods (second round pick), LeSean McCoy (second round pick, traded for), and Charles Clay (five years, $38M in offseason). The Bills also invested into the line by drafting John Miller and signing Incognito, forming a very formidable guard duo. 

If Flacco had a front office that cared as much about surrounding him with talent as the Bills do with Taylor, the Ravens offense could be top 5 and there's a chance Flacco never gets injured.

[redrum52]

Personally today's loss was all on Matt Schaub .... period; Two picks and 14 points!  If I were HC, I'd bench him.

Considering I've been looking at draft position, since the loss to the Browns, I say we keep Schaub in.

[flynismo]

Considering I've been looking at draft position, since the loss to the Browns, I say we keep Schaub in.

I second this. It looks like it really doesn't matter who's playing QB for this team, doesn't matter if jesus himself was under center, we'll find a way to lose in excruciating manner...keep Schaub in, just to double down and ensure a top 5 pick

[flynismo]

Schaub has faced two awful defenses in the Browns and the Dolphins.  23rd and 25th respectively against the pass. Next week in the Seahawks he faces the 4th best pass defense.  I think Schaub is going to be entering a world of pain. 

Seattle is going to end his NFL career. I say that only half jokingly

[Militant X 1]

The thing with Tyrod is he went to a team and had the offense pretty much tailor (no pun intended) made to his skill set. Greg Roman made Colin Kaepernick the next big thing and took him to the Super Bowl in 2012.

Not to mention he's playing with Sammy Watkins (first round pick), Robert Woods (second round pick), LeSean McCoy (second round pick, traded for), and Charles Clay (five years, $38M in offseason). The Bills also invested into the line by drafting John Miller and signing Incognito, forming a very formidable guard duo. 

If Flacco had a front office that cared as much about surrounding him with talent as the Bills do with Taylor, the Ravens offense could be top 5 and there's a chance Flacco never gets injured.

 

I agree with all of this Bmore!

[BmoreBird22]

I agree with all of this Bmore!

Like I won't deny, I am very happy for him. He was the ideal backup because he never once complained and showed up when needed, but damn, the Bills made a commitment and went with it. I'll give him props for playing smart, efficient football with everything he's given.

[Militant X 1]

Like I won't deny, I am very happy for him. He was the ideal backup because he never once complained and showed up when needed, but damn, the Bills made a commitment and went with it. I'll give him props for playing smart, efficient football with everything he's given.

 

Tyrod Taylor is what I always thought and knew he was!  The Bills are benefiting from it!  And, all we have now is Matt "Pick 6" Schaub.  Smh!

[callahan09]

I don't think Schaub is playing well at any level this year.  He hasn't been making any tough throws, and he's missed a lot of easy ones.  These receivers have been doing so much more for him than they did for Joe, they've gotten more open and they've (particularly Buck Allen) done WAY more for him after the catch than Joe got from anyone this year.  Schaub hasn't made any particularly impressive throws with the lone exception of the TD to Brown yesterday that got wiped away by a ridiculous OPI that should never have been called.  That was a good throw!  

 

But he's been throwing to a lot of wide open receivers, hitting them sometimes, missing them too often as well.  A lot of his completions were not particularly good throws that were hauled in anyway.  The deep pass to Givens in the Browns game was a pretty severe under-throw, but Givens played the ball smartly, attacked it, AND was so wide open because the Browns defense is in an absolute shambles right now, that the defender wasn't able to catch up to the under-thrown ball as Givens had to basically stop in his tracks to get it.  

 

For reference, Flacco threw a ball that wasn't even that under-thrown against the Jags, and Givens totally misplayed it and over-ran it, and the defender had a free shot at the interception since Givens wasn't playing the ball.  So here we see a worse throw than one Flacco made in the same type of situation to the same player, and Flacco's was intercepted by Schaub's was completed.  That doesn't impress me, because my eyeballs tell me which player is throwing the ball better, but which one is getting helped by his receivers rather than screwed by them.  Buck Allen has turned two 2-yard dumpoffs into long TDs with evasive speed after the catch, something Flacco never got from Forsett this year.  

 

If not for Buck Allen, then Schaub only has 1 TD pass to his 4 INTs.  He's just got no zip on his ball, and no accuracy, missing way too many open receivers, but being afforded easy throws by our receivers getting wide open, and then the receivers bailing him out and making plays for him.  Can you imagine how many points we might have put up with Flacco at QB this year if the playmakers were making plays like that have for Schaub?  It's ridiculous.

 

When Schaub plays against an actually competent defense (Browns and Dolphins right now are playing like bottom 5 defenses in the NFL, if not bottom 2), then those lame duck underthrows and throws behind the receivers that Schaub has been tossing are going to be getting picked off really, really often.  He's already got 4 INTs in 2 games, but it could easily be 6 or 7 with a couple of horrible passes that miraculously weren't intercepted.

Edited December 7, 2015 by callahan09

[GrimCoconut]

I think Matt should change his jersey and wear jersey #6.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Yes, he can still play. With any level of competence? I haven't seen it yet. I would love to, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

As a side note, he never had a strong arm to begin with, but he really seems to have lost the little zip he had before. Could get really ugly the next few weeks

Yeah, the arm is definitely donezo

[flynismo]

Tyrod Taylor is what I always thought and knew he was! The Bills are benefiting from it! And, all we have now is Matt "Pick 6" Schaub. Smh!

Just like Flacco, he had a tendency to piss me off sometimes, but in a weird way, it adds to his appeal lol...very happy to see him get the shot he has waited so patiently for

[1/28/01]

For reference, Flacco threw a ball that wasn't even that under-thrown against the Jags, and Givens totally misplayed it and over-ran it, and the defender had a free shot at the interception since Givens wasn't playing the ball.

I find this hilarious.

[beanfigger]

I find this hilarious.

 

I didn't even go that far. I don't think that ball was underthrown as much as it wasn't put outside enough, and it was great coverage, which resulted in an easy interception. Would it have been nice if Givens made a better play on the ball to break it up? Sure, but that was a poor throw into that coverage.

Edited December 7, 2015 by beanfigger

[1/28/01]

I didn't even go that far. I don't think that ball was underthrown as much as it wasn't put outside enough, and it was great coverage, which resulted in an easy interception. Would it have been nice if Givens made a better play on the ball to break it up? Sure, but that was a poor throw into that coverage.

Better play on the ball? Sure. But to expect a receiver to essentially stop in full stride and bail the QB out is hilarious. Can be done, sure. But to absolve Flacco and make it sound like the pick was more on Givens than Flacco is just the ridiculous stuff that fuels the "Flacco haters".

[arnie_uk]

Better play on the ball? Sure. But to expect a receiver to essentially stop in full stride and bail the QB out is hilarious. Can be done, sure. But to absolve Flacco and make it sound like the pick was more on Givens than Flacco is just the ridiculous stuff that fuels the "Flacco haters".

well, he did virtually stop dead for the schaub one. He just had no one near him

[1/28/01]

well, he did virtually stop dead for the schaub one. He just had no one near him

That's a touch different, no? Tight coverage or no one near you. Either way, to lay blame more on Givens is just stupid. If a poorly thrown ball is picked and you weren't helped or bailed out by your QB, its your fault. WR still failed to make a play and adjust, but the initial ball and subsequent pick was 99 out of 100 times your fault.

[arnie_uk]

That's a touch different, no? Tight coverage or no one near you. Either way, to lay blame more on Givens is just stupid. If a poorly thrown ball is picked and you weren't helped or bailed out by your QB, its your fault. WR still failed to make a play and adjust, but the initial ball and subsequent pick was 99 out of 100 times your fault.

I wasn't siding with him. Flacco's was a poor throw. But I agree with his overall premise the recrivers seem to be playing quite well recently. Esp buck and aiken.

Oline has got worse though

Edited December 7, 2015 by arnie_uk

[callahan09]

That's a touch different, no? Tight coverage or no one near you. Either way, to lay blame more on Givens is just stupid. If a poorly thrown ball is picked and you weren't helped or bailed out by your QB, its your fault. WR still failed to make a play and adjust, but the initial ball and subsequent pick was 99 out of 100 times your fault.

My point is that they're essentially the same throw... one is an interception, one is a catch, and the biggest difference between the two is how the receiver played it, not the throw.

[1/28/01]

My point is that they're essentially the same throw... one is an interception, one is a catch, and the biggest difference between the two is how the receiver played it, not the throw.

Okay. For the record, Givens didn't misplay it or overrun it. It was underthrown. Teeny tiny difference, ha.