The Matt Schaub Thread

[1/28/01]

I wonder what kind of interesting response we would have if Matt Schuab performs better than Joe Flacco with a lot less weapon than Joe has.

Considering how Joe (and this offense) have/s performed this year, it cant get much worse, so it could likely be on par at the very least...scary nonetheless.

[callahan09]

I think Joe's performance this season has been underrated.  He's thrown a couple of bad passes off his back foot, but I don't think we can expect him to be perfect.  A lot of his interceptions have been on desperation plays at the end of games.  I don't count those too much against him, it's hard to score a TD when you need one at the end of a game, which is the situation a few of his INTs came in.  A few more came because his receivers let him down and the ball bounced off their hands or the receiver just didn't play the ball or played it stupidly or didn't play physically the way receivers are expected to do so, and let the defender take the ball that shouldn't have happened.  That happened a lot this year.  If Schaub doesn't throw as many INTs as Flacco, it'll be because the receivers played smarter and more physical than they did for Flacco.  If they play like they did for Flacco, Schaub is going to have plenty of INTs, because a large part of the equation is that if the receivers aren't playing their part of the play correctly, bad things happen at a much higher rate, and during Flacco's 10 games this year, that was happening waaaaay too often.  And there's all the touchdowns that were dropped, etc.  With receivers doing their jobs and catching those catchable balls and playing those others smartly and physically and with a little less bad luck, Flacco's actual passes made on the field this year should have been good for about 22 or 23 TDs and 7 or 8 INTs to this point.  But bad luck and bad receiver play effected those numbers significantly.  It is what it is.  Also, Flacco leads the league in 4th quarter go-ahead scoring drives, despite the fact that we have the lost many of those games and have a win percentage that is 3 times worse than the NFL average in games where we took the lead in the 4th quarter. Flacco did his part this year and was just a victim of bad luck, inopportune displays of ineptitude from the defense, and bad receiver play.  A lot of people don't want to buy it that he wasn't bad this year because he threw some interceptions, but my eyeballs tell me that Flacco was playing well this year and it was the rest of the team that wasn't, and to the point that it effected even his numbers.

[Purple_City39]

Well, looks like Schaub will be getting Daniel Brown in his lineup tonight.  So the WRs are Aiken, Givens, Butler, and Brown?  Along with all 3 TEs?  I feel like I'm missing a WR but with all the injuries, I may not be

[FlocksGottaFeed]

While I don't anticipate nor expect anything spectacular to happen from either team, I'll definitely be watching because our Ravens are on the field!  I'm beyond asking them NOT to embarrass me on Primetime television when the entire football world will be watching cause oftentimes that's exactly what they do!  Now I say; "Just go out there and try to get a win if you can".

Absolutely my brother!

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Always go for hoping for a "playoff" caliber performance. Don't wish on anybody to suck, they have to live with that. And Ravens who have fought for every single game they play, regardless if they're unbeaten or have yet to win a game are the mentality that gets them through adversity other years as well. A lot of mental toughness is required and it's very difficult not get a loser attitude if nothing's going right. But it's far more difficult to regain faith in your team once you succumb to that.

 

That's why a top 10 pick is better than #1 pick. There's still brilliant players, but there's dignity in that. Look at Indy - They "Sucked for Luck" and now Luck sucks for them. Would you want to tank the season for a #1 pick that could turn into a bust or get injured and make no difference just like the next guy?

 

How many of those below were absolutely worth tanking a season for?

 

ALL TIME NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICKS

Year Player Position School Team Years Played Pro Bowls

2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans 0 0

2013 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs 1 0

2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts 2 1

2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers 3 2

2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams 4 0

2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions 5 0

2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins 6 4

2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders 3 0

2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans 8 3

2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers 9 1

2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers 10 3

2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals 11 2

2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans 11 0

2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons 11 4

2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns 7 0

1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns 6 0

1998 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee Indianapolis Colts 16 11

+52 Beautiful!!! Thanks for posting Dorota.

GO Ravens!!! Ravens don't tank win or lose.

[Kid87]

Some Butt..lol Flacco coulda played better with the ACL injury

[Static]

If you need 33 points to win a game. Matt Schuab isnt the problem. We had the same discussion about Joe.

[beanfigger]

He's a magician. Did you see him set up the game winner with that clutch interception?..

Is that like the seventh start in a row for him with a pick-6? Man, gonna be hard to watch.

[CalvinSmoke]

Some Butt..lol Flacco coulda played better with the ACL injury

not even lol. There wasnt much difference.

[K-Dog]

He's a magician. Did you see him set up the game winner with that clutch interception?...

Quality.

[BmoreBird22]

If you need 33 points to win a game. Matt Schuab isnt the problem. We had the same discussion about Joe.

Well, technically he is part of the issue because Schaub gave them 7 points that required there be a necessary 33 points...

[Static]

Well, technically he is part of the issue because Schaub gave them 7 points that required there be a necessary 33 points...

 

And so did ya boy Jimmy. 

 

 

Flacco was on pace for 19-20 INTs this season. They are nothing new.

[BmoreBird22]

And so did ya boy Jimmy. 

 

 

Flacco was on pace for 19-20 INTs this season. They are nothing new.

More like 17, but how many of them were just right off of receiver's hands? 

Schaub should have easily thrown like five tonight and none of them were off a receiver's hands.

[FlackAttack]

i remember after the schaub signing i was extremely critical about it and broke down why it was possibly the worst free agency move over the offseason, yet mostly everyone on here praised the beginning of his new era here in baltimore backing up flacco.

 

man, why am i always so right about everything?

[flynismo]

I'm beyond asking them NOT to embarrass me on Primetime television when the entire football world will be watching cause oftentimes that's exactly what they do!

 

Amazing isn't it...we have had some incrediblely good teams the past 8 years, and prime time games we seem to be at our worst, no matter how good we were...this season, we field a team of backups and rookies, and we pull this off? Sure, it was against the Browns. A Browns team fielding backups and rookies of their own...but still, a win, in spectacular fashion on MNF? This is not the Ravens team I know. lol

[flynismo]

i remember after the schaub signing i was extremely critical about it and broke down why it was possibly the worst free agency move over the offseason, yet mostly everyone on here praised the beginning of his new era here in baltimore backing up flacco.

 

man, why am i always so right about everything?

Who was happy about Schaub, lol? I remember pretty much everyone thinking it was a ridiculous expenditure of $2M

[Maryland]

Schaub is going to be due a 1 mil bonus if he plays next game I think (10% of snaps, so assuming we play roughly the same # of snaps per game, it'd go from 1/16 to 2/16). This bonus would basically be incurred as a cap penalty the next season I believe. I'm sure Ozzie would rather avoid this if possible. It may not sound like much, but $1 mil matters in a tight cap.

 

This salary bonus issue, Schaub's poor performance, and Clausen knowing Trestman's system... I wonder if Schaub will be starting next week. I would like to see Clausen play.

[Virginia 55]

As much as I dislike Matt starting for us.  I must say that i'm not really seeing a huge difference between him and Flacco.  Make no mistake, I know that terrible games await for us with Matt at the helm. 

 

Flacco has been (pretty much) a I td 1 pick a game guy.  At his price tag, this is bad business.  We are definitely overpaying for him.  All we need is a two touchdown Qb that limits the mistakes.  

 

I'm not saying that Matt is the answer.  NOT at all. But his performance against the Browns does show that we don't need a 120 million dollar guy on our roster that in all honesty would have probably put up those same numbers. 

[FlackAttack]

Who was happy about Schaub, lol? I remember pretty much everyone thinking it was a ridiculous expenditure of $2M

 

got bombarded with posts stating "schaub will help flacco with the west coast offense, hes a solid veteran with experience and will contribute to making flacco and the offense better"

 

it was so adorable and lol worthy

[beanfigger]

Schaub should be more familiar with some of these receivers, at least... He might just be able to do enough to string another win or two together and make our record look respectable. Who knows? I also think this is a pretty good system for Schaub.

[FlackAttack]

Schaub should be more familiar with some of these receivers, at least... He might just be able to do enough to string another win or two together and make our record look respectable. Who knows? I also think this is a pretty good system for Schaub.

 

hate to be a realist on your parade, but when he plays KC, Seattle and Pitt, he'll most likely throw for 3 TDs and 8 INTs

[flynismo]

Schaub should be more familiar with some of these receivers, at least... He might just be able to do enough to string another win or two together and make our record look respectable. Who knows? I also think this is a pretty good system for Schaub.

Actually was thinking the same thing; this system is absolutely perfect for Schaub. Hopefully he can have a bit of a career resurgence over the next few weeks

[beanfigger]

hate to be a realist on your parade, but when he plays KC, Seattle and Pitt, he'll most likely throw for 3 TDs and 8 INTs

 

This wouldn't surprise me, as I have always doubted Schaub and seen him as nothing special, but if there is a place where he can thrive, it's here and now. Nobody is watching. Nobody cares. It's perfect.

 

Don't think just because I'm trying to look on the bright side that I am not being a "realist", and believe me when I say I have no intention of leading a Schaub "parade". Please forgive me for not just spewing negativity and such.

[FlackAttack]

This wouldn't surprise me, as I have always doubted Schaub and seen him as nothing special, but if there is a place where he can thrive, it's here and now. Nobody is watching. Nobody cares. It's perfect.

 

Don't think just because I'm trying to look on the bright side that I am not being a "realist", and believe me when I say I have no intention of leading a Schaub "parade". Please forgive me for not just spewing negativity and such.

 

i got you bro.

 

analyzing flaccos history, we shouldve kept renner for dirt cheap as 2nd string and spent that money on boosting talent on 1st string offense just like i mentioned months before the season started. but enough with the shoulda coulda woulda.

 

maybe we can keep clausen for mad cheap as 2nd string going into 2016 and stock up with some of that allocated CASH MONEY on some much needed play making alpha mindset

[SuggsBarber]

He's a magician. Did you see him set up the game winner with that clutch interception?..

Is that like the seventh start in a row for him with a pick-6? Man, gonna be hard to watch.

He is who we thought he is.

[TSizzle00]

He is who we thought he is.

 

He played exactly how I knew he would. Flashes of magic and picks at the worst time. Flacco has played similar this season but thats not generally who he is. Schaub is a pick six master.

[ravensdfan]

Schaub did better than I think most of us expected. Then he reminded us of one of his biggest weaknesses (bad under pressure) and why he is now a back-up.

 

He did well but not sure his "well" will be good enough against teams like Seattle and Pitt. We'll just have to see

[rmcjacket23]

I will admit... its sort of "unlucky" and in my opinion unsustainable with the frequency by which Schaub throws pick-sixes. 

 

Its almost uncanny how it just seems to happen. And a lot of them aren't like INTs being thrown inside your own 20-30 yard line either. A lot of them are at midfield or further.

 

But yeah, he is who we thought he is.

 

He will probably do OK against Miami, but I literally have no idea how we will even move the football against Seattle or even Cincy.

[Shammy]

I think Schaub Looked decent ,  granting the "weapons" on the O , obviously some rust but yet he didnt get taken out of the game with that first pick six

[beanfigger]

I will admit... its sort of "unlucky" and in my opinion unsustainable with the frequency by which Schaub throws pick-sixes.

Its almost uncanny how it just seems to happen. And a lot of them aren't like INTs being thrown inside your own 20-30 yard line either. A lot of them are at midfield or further.

But yeah, he is who we thought he is.

He will probably do OK against Miami, but I literally have no idea how we will even move the football against Seattle or even Cincy.

Yeah, that run back must have felt to him like, "Of course he did..." It was a terrible throw, but not one you expect to yield a defensive score. The second pick was certainly more critical and disconcerting, but even though it was a bad throw I think it had a lot to do with just getting out there and playing with these receivers in a real game for the first time.

Personally, I think we will look about the same with Schaub as we have all season until the fourth quarter. I don't think he has a switch that turns on in the final drive, so the game ending picks will come towards the beginning of the drives (last night) rather than near the endzone (Ari, Den). Callahan has already stated that Flacco has lead the most lead-taking fourth quarter drives in the league this year, and I also feel as though Flacco has been perfect this season in the fourth quarter setting up field goal chances when tied or down three or less, and I wouldn't be as confident in Schaub to do the same.