The Matt Schaub Thread

[GrimCoconut]

Always go for hoping for a "playoff" caliber performance. Don't wish on anybody to suck, they have to live with that. And Ravens who have fought for every single game they play, regardless if they're unbeaten or have yet to win a game are the mentality that gets them through adversity other years as well. A lot of mental toughness is required and it's very difficult not get a loser attitude if nothing's going right. But it's far more difficult to regain faith in your team once you succumb to that.

 

That's why a top 10 pick is better than #1 pick. There's still brilliant players, but there's dignity in that. Look at Indy - They "Sucked for Luck" and now Luck sucks for them. Would you want to tank the season for a #1 pick that could turn into a bust or get injured and make no difference just like the next guy?

 

How many of those below were absolutely worth tanking a season for?

 

ALL TIME NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICKS

Year Player Position School Team Years Played Pro Bowls

2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans 0 0

2013 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs 1 0

2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts 2 1

2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers 3 2

2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams 4 0

2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions 5 0

2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins 6 4

2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders 3 0

2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans 8 3

2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers 9 1

2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers 10 3

2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals 11 2

2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans 11 0

2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons 11 4

2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns 7 0

1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns 6 0

1998 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee Indianapolis Colts 16 11

Yeah, great point. I can't say I disagree at all. That's why it's a dilemma for me. I can't root for us to lose. That's just wrong. Then again, I can't see us making the playoffs. I don't want the Ravens to pack it in, though, ever. That would be the worst thing ever and I would agree that our team would probably be set back for years if that happened.

 

However, we have seen a playoff team go from contender to top pick before, a la Colts. They returned to the playoffs with their pick and looked to continue until very recently.

Edited November 24, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[ccflraven]

Maybe trestman can do for schaub what he did for McCown a couple of years ago.

[Militant X 1]

I miss Tyrod Taylor

 

Too late for this so leave his name out of it!

[Cillmatic]

Always go for hoping for a "playoff" caliber performance. Don't wish on anybody to suck, they have to live with that. And Ravens who have fought for every single game they play, regardless if they're unbeaten or have yet to win a game are the mentality that gets them through adversity other years as well. A lot of mental toughness is required and it's very difficult not get a loser attitude if nothing's going right. But it's far more difficult to regain faith in your team once you succumb to that.

That's why a top 10 pick is better than #1 pick. There's still brilliant players, but there's dignity in that. Look at Indy - They "Sucked for Luck" and now Luck sucks for them. Would you want to tank the season for a #1 pick that could turn into a bust or get injured and make no difference just like the next guy?

How many of those below were absolutely worth tanking a season for?

ALL TIME NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICKS

Year Player Position School Team Years Played Pro Bowls

2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans 0 0

2013 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs 1 0

2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts 2 1

2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers 3 2

2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams 4 0

2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions 5 0

2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins 6 4

2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders 3 0

2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans 8 3

2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers 9 1

2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers 10 3

2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals 11 2

2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans 11 0

2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons 11 4

2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns 7 0

1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns 6 0

1998 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee Indianapolis Colts 16 11

You think Andrew luck sucks?...

[Tru11]

Always go for hoping for a "playoff" caliber performance. Don't wish on anybody to suck, they have to live with that. And Ravens who have fought for every single game they play, regardless if they're unbeaten or have yet to win a game are the mentality that gets them through adversity other years as well. A lot of mental toughness is required and it's very difficult not get a loser attitude if nothing's going right. But it's far more difficult to regain faith in your team once you succumb to that.

 

That's why a top 10 pick is better than #1 pick. There's still brilliant players, but there's dignity in that. Look at Indy - They "Sucked for Luck" and now Luck sucks for them. Would you want to tank the season for a #1 pick that could turn into a bust or get injured and make no difference just like the next guy?

 

How many of those below were absolutely worth tanking a season for?

 

ALL TIME NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICKS

Year Player Position School Team Years Played Pro Bowls

2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans 0 0

2013 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs 1 0

2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts 2 1

2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers 3 2

2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams 4 0

2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions 5 0

2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins 6 4

2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders 3 0

2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans 8 3

2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers 9 1

2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers 10 3

2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals 11 2

2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans 11 0

2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons 11 4

2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns 7 0

1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns 6 0

1998 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee Indianapolis Colts 16 11

 

uhhh what?

 

luck has been pretty darn good lol.

 

1 injured avg season aint really gonna change that.

[Tyler]

Maybe trestman can do for schaub what he did for McCown a couple of years ago.

McCown also had more weapons than he could dream of lol. There's a Major difference in McCown throwing to 2 top 10 wr's in the league in Jeffrey and Marshall, not to mention one of the best pass catching backs in football, along with a pro bowl tight end lol.

[Dorota]

You think Andrew luck sucks?...

In general, no. He's a good QB. This year, life hasn't been all that pink in his direction.

[Dorota]

uhhh what?

 

luck has been pretty darn good lol.

 

1 injured avg season aint really gonna change that.

I was referring to this year, not Luck as a whole. But I see what you mean.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Like most of you, I have very low expectations for Matt. However, there are two intangibles: 1) The team will rally around him; and

2) He has something to prove if he still thinks he can be a starting QB again. It really doesn't matter what the rest of think. Good luck, Matt, and stay healthy!!

[The Raven]

Like most of you, I have very low expectations for Matt. However, there are two intangibles: 1) The team will rally around him; and

2) He has something to prove if he still thinks he can be a starting QB again. It really doesn't matter what the rest of think. Good luck, Matt, and stay healthy!!

 

Lol, yeah, sure they will. 

[GrimCoconut]

Lol, yeah, sure they will.

To be fair, you never know.

[MTRavensFan]

The other intangible no one's mentioned is that now that we're down to our 2nd and 3rd string pass-catchers (WR's, RB's and TE's), these are actually the guys Matt's been throwing to in practice, so timing, chemistry, whatever you want to call it, might be a little better than what we expect.

And yeah, these guys fighting for a roster spot just might rally around him.

[JO_75]

Maybe trestman can do for schaub what he did for McCown a couple of years ago.

Then some desperate QB needy team is wiling to give us a draft pick for him and Ozzie turns this horrible situation into more draft picks!

I mean it could happen.... Just staying optimistic!

Edited November 25, 2015 by JO_75

[BmoreBird22]

Always go for hoping for a "playoff" caliber performance. Don't wish on anybody to suck, they have to live with that. And Ravens who have fought for every single game they play, regardless if they're unbeaten or have yet to win a game are the mentality that gets them through adversity other years as well. A lot of mental toughness is required and it's very difficult not get a loser attitude if nothing's going right. But it's far more difficult to regain faith in your team once you succumb to that.

That's why a top 10 pick is better than #1 pick. There's still brilliant players, but there's dignity in that. Look at Indy - They "Sucked for Luck" and now Luck sucks for them. Would you want to tank the season for a #1 pick that could turn into a bust or get injured and make no difference just like the next guy?

How many of those below were absolutely worth tanking a season for?

ALL TIME NUMBER 1 DRAFT PICKS

Year Player Position School Team Years Played Pro Bowls

2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans 0 0

2013 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs 1 0

2012 Andrew Luck QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts 2 1

2011 Cam Newton QB Auburn Carolina Panthers 3 2

2010 Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams 4 0

2009 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia Detroit Lions 5 0

2008 Jake Long OT Michigan Miami Dolphins 6 4

2007 JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders 3 0

2006 Mario Williams DE N. Carolina State Houston Texans 8 3

2005 Alex Smith QB Utah San Francisco 49ers 9 1

2004 Eli Manning QB Mississippi San Diego Chargers 10 3

2003 Carson Palmer QB Southern Cal. Cincinnati Bengals 11 2

2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans 11 0

2001 Michael Vick QB Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons 11 4

2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns 7 0

1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns 6 0

1998 Peyton Manning QB Tennessee Indianapolis Colts 16 11

Luck absolutely does not suck, but those are several players I'd love to have if the Ravens didn't have Joe and to be honest, quite a few of those players are players who had their careers derailed by injury, not just because they were bad

[ratedr]

inb4 Schaub goes on a 6 game win streak.

[The Raven]

To be fair, you never know.

I'm not sure this team is able to rally around anything. All three of our wins were accidents.

[Purple Punishment]

Matt "Pick 6" Schaub is my concern.

Mine too. Just keep throwing those Pick6s to land is a monster draft spot

[Bengal Billy]

I wonder if he will be afforded the same latitude as Flacco by our fan base given the lack of receivers,etc.

^Good post.

Schaub is not near as good as Flacco. So, it should be expected that the offense will look worse (though that is to be determined). However, Schaub is dealing with the same extreme lack of WR that Flacco dealt with. He should be afforded the same latitude.

If Schaub can remember how to be careful with the football as he used to be a few years ago,, he's a good backup caliber QB. That's just it though,, will he be careful or continue to play like the past 2 years? Idk.

[HoldingCall]

inb4 Schaub goes on a 6 game win streak.

What are the broader implications if Matt and Javorius goes on a win streak? Opportunities have changed the course of history.

[Ravenseconbeast]

I'd be furious if we got rid of Joe at least while he's playing solidly. If he falls off a cliff performance wise then it'll be more reasonable.

He hasn't ever met his 'performance' ever since he got the fat contract.

He didn't had much help @receiver spot, but he also didn't give us much choice.

[Moderator 3]

What are the broader implications if Matt and Javorius goes on a win streak? Opportunities have changed the course of history.

Total forum meltdown. In-fighting like we've never seen before. Re-thinking everything about our team structure. As much as I want wins, this is just too scary to consider.

[rmw10]

Here's an interesting one.

 

Matt Schaub is very likely to hit his incentives now.  If he plays 5% of the snaps for the season, he gets $500K.  If he gets up to 10%, he earns his full $1M in incentives.  That'll happen pending health.  Matt Schaub playing is going to cost us an additional $1M against the cap next year since we can't carry it over...

Edited November 29, 2015 by rmw10

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Will anybody be watching this Monday Night? Some are saying loudly...No.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-schmuck-column-1129-20151128-column.html

 

For me...I wouldn't miss it for the world. That will be my team on that field. I want those reporters to eat crow and be forced report on Tuesday that, "If you missed that game last night...you've missed a great one - one of the best team performances in awhile. Despite all the injuries, close-games, etc. the Ravens came-out to play and they proved again that they will never go quietly into the night. Every team left on their schedule had better recognize that."

 

GO Ravens!!! Get it done. 

Edited November 29, 2015 by jkm5bmore

[HoldingCall]

Moderator 3, on 29 Nov 2015 - 09:25 AM, said:

Total forum meltdown. In-fighting like we've never seen before. Re-thinking everything about our team structure. As much as I want wins, this is just too scary to consider.

I wouldn't get any sleep at night because the fights and comments would have me totally addicted (to the entertainment). 

[Militant X 1]

Will anybody be watching this Monday Night? Some are saying loudly...No.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-schmuck-column-1129-20151128-column.html

 

For me...I wouldn't miss it for the world. That will be my team on that field. I want those reporters to eat crow and be forced report on Tuesday that, "If you missed that game last night...you've missed a great one - one of the best team performances in awhile. Despite all the injuries, close-games, etc. the Ravens came-out to play and they proved again that they will never go quietly into the night. Every team left on their schedule had better recognize that."

 

GO Ravens!!! Get it done. 

 

While I don't anticipate nor expect anything spectacular to happen from either team, I'll definitely be watching because our Ravens are on the field!  I'm beyond asking them NOT to embarrass me on Primetime television when the entire football world will be watching cause oftentimes that's exactly what they do!  Now I say; "Just go out there and try to get a win if you can".

[Inqui]

Total forum meltdown. In-fighting like we've never seen before. Re-thinking everything about our team structure. As much as I want wins, this is just too scary to consider.

I don't get it, how's that different to every other week?

[ravensdfan]

Luck absolutely does not suck, but those are several players I'd love to have if the Ravens didn't have Joe and to be honest, quite a few of those players are players who had their careers derailed by injury, not just because they were bad

Everyone keeps making excuses for Luck but 40 yr old what's his name is 4-0 with all those same issues. Just sayin'.

[ravensdfan]

I don't get it, how's that different to every other week?

lol

 

It's the Browns and Schaub was a decent QB at one point in his career so that scenario is possible. I don't see it happening week after week though.

[BmoreBird22]

Everyone keeps making excuses for Luck but 40 yr old what's his name is 4-0 with all those same issues. Just sayin'.

He'd be far from 4-0 if he and Luck played the same schedule. I want to see him go 4-0 against the Broncos, Patriots, Panthers, and Jets, not the teams he played, including the Falcons who have gone 0-5 after starting 6-0. 

 

In any case, I'll admit Hasselbeck is playing smarter. Luck is pretty much a carbon copy of Brett Favre. He's a gunslinger. He just takes every chance he can take. He won't take the short gain if he thinks there's any chance he can get the big gain. He's like the anti-Brady in that sense. 

But in any case, he's still a really great quarterback.

 

And also, let's not pretend Luck hasn't been dealing with significant torso injuries. I know his play style lends itself to these type of injuries, but he was clearly trying to gut out something significant.

Edited November 30, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[Ravenseconbeast]

I wonder what kind of interesting response we would have if Matt Schuab performs better than Joe Flacco with a lot less weapon than Joe has.