Should we rest some players at this point?

[K-Dog]

After December they will have plenty of time to rest.

[ihoxhaj3]

So you wouldn't want to rest Doom, who has a nagging knee injury, and see what you have in Zadarius Smith?

 

Or bench Kendrick and see what you have in Terrence Brooks.

 

Look, I understand the spirit of the competition and all that stuff. But being this far down in the standings with half our starting offense out, gives us a perfect chance to actually see what kind of depth we have.

 

Maybe Arthur Brown is better in game action than practice.

Maybe Terrence Brooks makes less mistakes in game action than practice.

 

I'm not saying tank. I'm saying figure out what you have, so that this offseason you know what to address.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

So you wouldn't want to rest Doom, who has a nagging knee injury, and see what you have in Zadarius Smith?

 

Or bench Kendrick and see what you have in Terrence Brooks.

 

Look, I understand the spirit of the competition and all that stuff. But being this far down in the standings with half our starting offense out, gives us a perfect chance to actually see what kind of depth we have.

 

Maybe Arthur Brown is better in game action than practice.

Maybe Terrence Brooks makes less mistakes in game action than practice.

 

I'm not saying tank. I'm saying figure out what you have, so that this offseason you know what to address.

Thats not the point. Of course we'd like to see what Z and Brooks can do. But theres a difference between rotating them in and getting them snaps, and benching the starters. 

 

Brooks and Zadarius are backups... if you bench Doom and Kendrick and start Brooks and Za'Darius, then who backs them up? If you're going to say well Kendrick and Doom back them up, then that kinda goes against the point of the thread which is to rest them to avoid injury. They're not avoiding injury if they're still being counted on for snaps as backups.

 

And if you don't use the current starters as the backups, then you have to bring guys up from the PS or sign new guys which eats into cap space which we really need to carry over as much as possible for next year. 

 

I'm for rotating guys in for extra snaps to see what they have. But if you put Brooks, Za'Darius, Brown, Orr, Carl Davis, Urban, KLM, etc... all in there to rest the starters that's not really helping them or seeing what they can do. Putting all backups in the game against NFL starters is sending the lambs out for slaughter. If there aren't any veteran leaders or NFL starting caliber players out there you're probably not going to get a good indication of what they can do, and it probably isnt going to benefit them all that much. Might even destroy their confidence.

 

Playing scared, or playing not to get hurt usually ends in guys getting hurt... and it almost never turns out good. I know it seems we're cursed this year, but you've got to just keep on playing. With all the injuries, young guys are going to get shots to play anyways.

[codizzle]

Some of them may need some reat.

Don't we all

[balfan23]

So you wouldn't want to rest Doom, who has a nagging knee injury, and see what you have in Zadarius Smith?

 

Or bench Kendrick and see what you have in Terrence Brooks.

 

Look, I understand the spirit of the competition and all that stuff. But being this far down in the standings with half our starting offense out, gives us a perfect chance to actually see what kind of depth we have.

 

Maybe Arthur Brown is better in game action than practice.

Maybe Terrence Brooks makes less mistakes in game action than practice.

 

I'm not saying tank. I'm saying figure out what you have, so that this offseason you know what to address.

You definitely want to see what you have - but to me, you still have to do very selective replacement. 

 

What I mean is - this concept of "seeing what you have" can't become a wholesale thing. It doesn't do anyone any good to have a bunch of marginal players on the field at the same time. That will be a catastrophe and you will not see what you have in anyone ... what you'll see will make you think no one is worth playing and will kill confidence. 

 

You need to rotate guys in at spots. Let this relative newbie in for a series or two with every other normal starter in place. Then do it for another position. Then another.

 

I don't know if this speaks to the sentiment of the thread in "resting players" which is nonsense. Perhaps some of your normal starters will get a few less snaps. Perhaps you'll be more likely to not push a vet that is significantly less than 100% to play, but to truly rest them is ludicrous.

[rmcjacket23]

With all the injuries they could be considering it because they can also give some valuable playing time to the young players on the team and get them some experience moving forward.

Already plenty of young players playing. Realistically, who among the "young guys" isn't getting significant snaps right now?

 

I really can't think of any.

[balfan23]

I'm for rotating guys in for extra snaps to see what they have. But if you put Brooks, Za'Darius, Brown, Orr, Carl Davis, Urban, KLM, etc... all in there to rest the starters that's not really helping them or seeing what they can do. Putting all backups in the game against NFL starters is sending the lambs out for slaughter. If there aren't any veteran leaders or NFL starting caliber players out there you're probably not going to get a good indication of what they can do, and it probably isnt going to benefit them all that much. Might even destroy their confidence.

My sentiments exactly. 

 

I see this stupidity often in youth sports. In basketball, my son's HS team would not rotate in guys here and there to play with the starters ... they would rotate the entire set of 5 guys off the bench. Guess what the result was? No one coming off the bench ever was able to supplant one of the starters picked at the beginning of the season, because they were never put in a position to succeed. Made me crazy. 

 

As a baseball coach, I was once berated by a parent for still having some of my normal starting players in the field in a game that was already well in hand. "You should have your bench players in this game - the game is already won!". Here's the thing, Dad... I was trying out a new pitcher. The last thing I need is for this kid to get out there and have his field booting the ball around and watch the runs come rolling in. He could have pitched well, but would have thought he stunk it up. It turns out, he pitched well, was successful and I used him later in the season for relief. He was thrilled to have earned that role. 

[Drew P]

Whats the word on Urban?

[redrum52]

Sends a bad message. If they're good to go, put them out there.

Edited November 24, 2015 by redrum52

[ihoxhaj3]

I'm not saying make wholesale changes immediately. You can certainly ease them in.

 

But you still have guys like Will Hill and Cj Mosley who play 100 percent of snaps, so why can't the backups do it.

 

It is not lambs going to slaughter. This is football. They played football in college.

They are getting paid to play football. The best way for them to get better is through experience. 

 

Guys like Canty and Daryl Smith have nothing left to prove.

You don't need to bring someone in from the practice squad. Just inactive the starters on gameday and the reserves that are usually inactive play. No need to bring in someone new.

 

For example:

Arthur Brown starts, with McClellan and Orr rotating with him and Mosley.

 

KLM or Urban starts, with the other rotating with Jernigan or Davis.

 

We will still have depth with the starters not playing. It won't be that bad.

Edited November 24, 2015 by ihoxhaj3

[ihoxhaj3]

Thats not the point. Of course we'd like to see what Z and Brooks can do. But theres a difference between rotating them in and getting them snaps, and benching the starters. 

 

Brooks and Zadarius are backups... if you bench Doom and Kendrick and start Brooks and Za'Darius, then who backs them up? If you're going to say well Kendrick and Doom back them up, then that kinda goes against the point of the thread which is to rest them to avoid injury. They're not avoiding injury if they're still being counted on for snaps as backups.

 

And if you don't use the current starters as the backups, then you have to bring guys up from the PS or sign new guys which eats into cap space which we really need to carry over as much as possible for next year. 

 

I'm for rotating guys in for extra snaps to see what they have. But if you put Brooks, Za'Darius, Brown, Orr, Carl Davis, Urban, KLM, etc... all in there to rest the starters that's not really helping them or seeing what they can do. Putting all backups in the game against NFL starters is sending the lambs out for slaughter. If there aren't any veteran leaders or NFL starting caliber players out there you're probably not going to get a good indication of what they can do, and it probably isnt going to benefit them all that much. Might even destroy their confidence.

 

Playing scared, or playing not to get hurt usually ends in guys getting hurt... and it almost never turns out good. I know it seems we're cursed this year, but you've got to just keep on playing. With all the injuries, young guys are going to get shots to play anyways.

 

Not saying put backups at every position. Just the ones where there is an established vet. Like Daryl Smith and Chris Canty.

You absolutely leave guys like Will Hill, CJ Mosley, and Brandon Williams out there.

 

They are paid to play football. If you can not do that, they can find someone who will. It is not lambs to slaughter. They have played their whole lives. It's not like they go up against other wordly players. I mean come on.

[rmcjacket23]

Not saying put backups at every position. Just the ones where there is an established vet. Like Daryl Smith and Chris Canty.

You absolutely leave guys like Will Hill, CJ Mosley, and Brandon Williams out there.

 

They are paid to play football. If you can not do that, they can find someone who will. It is not lambs to slaughter. They have played their whole lives. It's not like they go up against other wordly players. I mean come on.

Which young guys specifically aren't getting snaps?

 

Canty has only played like 25% of defensive snaps this season, and most of the younger guys in the secondary are getting playing time when they are actually healthy.

 

I mean aren't we really talking about like maybe 1 or 2 players on the entire team total at this point who people think should be playing more?

[RavensFan552]

Injuries happen.  It's just that kind of season.  The good news is, if we can get through this season, by next season the majority of our players will be healthy again.  Pat Kirwan explains that Flacco should be healthy enough to start next year and should be back to at least 95% of the level he was at: https://realfootballnetwork.com/2015/11/24/11-24-15-1-game-silver-lining-inside-scoop/ 

[ihoxhaj3]

Which young guys specifically aren't getting snaps?

 

Canty has only played like 25% of defensive snaps this season, and most of the younger guys in the secondary are getting playing time when they are actually healthy.

 

I mean aren't we really talking about like maybe 1 or 2 players on the entire team total at this point who people think should be playing more?

 

I think guys like:

Arthur Brown

KLM

Urban - when healthy

Brooks

Arrington - only because we need to figure out if we are cutting him after the first year of a three year deal.

Carl Davis

Mostert/West - I know Allen will get majority of snaps, but these two guys should get some reps so we can see if we need to draft someone next year.

 

These are the main guys that I think could/should get more/all playing time.

 

Just don't think guys like Daryl and Canty need to be out there anymore to prove anything.

[spitfire418]

Which young guys specifically aren't getting snaps?

 

Canty has only played like 25% of defensive snaps this season, and most of the younger guys in the secondary are getting playing time when they are actually healthy.

 

I mean aren't we really talking about like maybe 1 or 2 players on the entire team total at this point who people think should be playing more?

There are several young guys getting around very slim to no snaps at all (excluding special teams).

 

Here's a list of guys that should get more snaps at this point in the year (All defensive players because whole offense is hurt):

 

- Terrence Brooks

- Arthur Brown

- Zachary Orr

- Albert McClellan

- Tray Walker

- Za'Darius Smith (he get's a good amount of snaps already)

- Carl Davis

- Kapron Lewis-Moore

- Brent Urban (Not activated yet, but could be)

- Anthony Levine

- Brynden Trawick

 

That's a lot more than one or two guys that could get more playing time so we can actually see what they can do.

[spitfire418]

I think guys like:

Arthur Brown

KLM

Urban - when healthy

Brooks

Arrington - only because we need to figure out if we are cutting him after the first year of a three year deal.

Carl Davis

Mostert/West - I know Allen will get majority of snaps, but these two guys should get some reps so we can see if we need to draft someone next year.

 

These are the main guys that I think could/should get more/all playing time.

 

Just don't think guys like Daryl and Canty need to be out there anymore to prove anything.

We posted the same thing at basically the same time lol. You beat me to it by a little bit

Edited November 24, 2015 by spitfire418

[rmcjacket23]

There are several young guys getting around very slim to no snaps at all (excluding special teams).

 

Here's a list of guys that should get more snaps at this point in the year (All defensive players because whole offense is hurt):

 

- Terrence Brooks - yes, more playing time when healthy

- Arthur Brown - have to pick between him and Orr, since Mosley isn't coming out of the lineup

- Zachary Orr - yes, more playing time

- Albert McClellan - been a Raven for like a decade now... we know all we need to know with him, played 230 defensive snaps this year already

- Tray Walker - rookie mid-round corner... he's not ready to play, does more harm than good

- Za'Darius Smith (he get's a good amount of snaps already) - already playing plenty

- Carl Davis - playing on 33% of snaps this season, more than enough to see what we have.

- Kapron Lewis-Moore - isn't one of the best 5-6 DL on this team, weekly gameday inactive

- Brent Urban (Not activated yet, but could be) - you already know why he's not playing

- Anthony Levine - played 180 defensive snaps in 2014, we know what he is already

- Brynden Trawick - core ST player, not one of the best 5-6 DBs on this team, no reason to put him in

 

That's a lot more than one or two guys that could get more playing time so we can actually see what they can do.

So basically, 2-3 guys. Brooks and Orr/Brown. Everybody else you pretty much know what you have already because they've been with the team for awhile or are injured and just coming back off injury.

[rmcjacket23]

I think guys like:

Arthur Brown

KLM

Urban - when healthy

Brooks

Arrington - only because we need to figure out if we are cutting him after the first year of a three year deal.

Carl Davis

Mostert/West - I know Allen will get majority of snaps, but these two guys should get some reps so we can see if we need to draft someone next year.

 

These are the main guys that I think could/should get more/all playing time.

 

Just don't think guys like Daryl and Canty need to be out there anymore to prove anything.

Brooks and Urban yes, but both have been injured. KLM is an afterthought for me because I don't even know who's place on the line he would take since the DL is mostly young guys anyway. 

 

Art Brown is in the same boat as Zach Orr, so you basically have to pick which one you want to see.

 

Davis and Arrington play plenty enough already so no change needed there, and the RBs are useless to me because neither would probably be on the team if we didn't have two on IR. 

 

There's is risk to telling veterans who haven't earned being demoted that they aren't going to play simply to see what younger players have. Guys like Canty and Smith aren't guaranteed to retire or be released, and their positions on the team aren't easily fill-able by another player right now, otherwise they would be.

 

If you bench Daryl Smith and then realize his replacements can't play, its borderline impossible for you to bring him back, because if I were him, I wouldn't want to come back. So now, all you've done is created a hole at MLB that now needs to be filled, thus adding to a lengthy list of positions we need to upgrade.

 

In my opinion, there's maybe 2-3 guys who should/will get more playing time to see if they are an integral part of our future... Brooks, Urban, and maybe one of the MLBs, though I wouldn't bench Daryl Smith to do that, because he's playing fine. You can justify benching/rotating out Canty and Lewis because they haven't been that good, but there's really no justification to bench Daryl Smith at this point.

[spitfire418]

Brooks and Urban yes, but both have been injured. KLM is an afterthought for me because I don't even know who's place on the line he would take since the DL is mostly young guys anyway. 

 

Art Brown is in the same boat as Zach Orr, so you basically have to pick which one you want to see.

 

Davis and Arrington play plenty enough already so no change needed there, and the RBs are useless to me because neither would probably be on the team if we didn't have two on IR. 

 

There's is risk to telling veterans who haven't earned being demoted that they aren't going to play simply to see what younger players have. Guys like Canty and Smith aren't guaranteed to retire or be released, and their positions on the team aren't easily fill-able by another player right now, otherwise they would be.

 

If you bench Daryl Smith and then realize his replacements can't play, its borderline impossible for you to bring him back, because if I were him, I wouldn't want to come back. So now, all you've done is created a hole at MLB that now needs to be filled, thus adding to a lengthy list of positions we need to upgrade.

 

In my opinion, there's maybe 2-3 guys who should/will get more playing time to see if they are an integral part of our future... Brooks, Urban, and maybe one of the MLBs, though I wouldn't bench Daryl Smith to do that, because he's playing fine. You can justify benching/rotating out Canty and Lewis because they haven't been that good, but there's really no justification to bench Daryl Smith at this point.

I may have listed too many guys that need more playing time (I was just listing off all the young guys), but I would like to see most of those see the field more.

 

Brooks - no question, he needs to get a lot of playing time these last 6 games. He has been here for a decent amount of time now, he was a third round pick, and Kendrick Lewis is not our long term starter. Injuries have sadly held him back, but this guy could seriously fill our FS spot for the future. 

 

Brown - this guy was a second rounder and fans have been eager to see what he has. He kinda got screwed over when we drafted Moseley, but this guy needs a chance to show what he can do for us. Definitely needs more playing time.

 

Orr - limited snaps and mostly a special teams guy, but has shown that he can play pretty good in limited snaps at MLB. Would like to see him get out there more.

 

McClellan - he's played a decent amount this year I guess rotating in sometimes. I would like to see more of him as well at the MLB position to see what he can bring to the defense.

 

Walker - he might not be ready, but he could get some valuable playing time and experience this year. He was a 4th round pick and I think he could show why he was drafted that round.

 

Urban / KLM - same thing basically. defensive lineman that have been held back by injuries in their careers, but are now healthy and can possibly show some potential.

Edited November 24, 2015 by spitfire418

[K-Dog]

Really though....

Rest for what? The off season?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Not saying put backups at every position. Just the ones where there is an established vet. Like Daryl Smith and Chris Canty.

You absolutely leave guys like Will Hill, CJ Mosley, and Brandon Williams out there.

 

They are paid to play football. If you can not do that, they can find someone who will. It is not lambs to slaughter. They have played their whole lives. It's not like they go up against other wordly players. I mean come on.

 

Chris Canty has played about 1/4 of the teams snaps. I agreed, Daryl Smith is the ONE guy I could see maybe taking a few snaps rest to get Orr and Brown in the game some more.

 

But outside that, you'd be taking off the couple remaining NFL caliber players we have left on the roster. And yes, taking them off and putting in all backup to PS level guys is putting lambs to slaughter. If our best roster is a 3-7 team... then that same team minus Flacco, Doom, Daryl, etc... is an 0-10 team getting blown out. Not a lot of development in that.

 

And if we're only talking about rotating Daryl then the point is there is no point. This isnt a discussion or a thing. Its just one guy taking a few less snaps.

[spitfire418]

Chris Canty has played about 1/4 of the teams snaps. I agreed, Daryl Smith is the ONE guy I could see maybe taking a few snaps rest to get Orr and Brown in the game some more.

 

But outside that, you'd be taking off the couple remaining NFL caliber players we have left on the roster. And yes, taking them off and putting in all backup to PS level guys is putting lambs to slaughter. If our best roster is a 3-7 team... then that same team minus Flacco, Doom, Daryl, etc... is an 0-10 team getting blown out. Not a lot of development in that.

 

And if we're only talking about rotating Daryl then the point is there is no point. This isnt a discussion or a thing. Its just one guy taking a few less snaps.

Several guys could take less snaps, not just Daryl. We need to mix it up and get some of the young guys experience.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Several guys could take less snaps, not just Daryl. We need to mix it up and get some of the young guys experience.

Again who are these guys that aren't already getting a good share of snaps?

WR - all young inexperienced guys.

Oline - everyone except Yanda currently is a young, backup

RB - all young inexperienced players

Dline - all young inexperienced players except Canty who's only getting 1/4 of the snaps

MLB - I've conceded this is the one spot I could see some reduced snaps

OLB - Doom is practically the only vet, experienced player and leader left on the squad. And Za'Darius is really the only young guy you'd want getting more snaps and he's already around 40%

CB - with Webb getting more reps at safety, behind Jimmy it's all new or inexperienced

Safety - Brooks is the only guy, and he's been seeing increased reps but continues to make BIG mistakes. You don't reward a guy for continued mental lapses. If he earns it fine, but the Webb experiment also has to fit into the equation.

So where are these entrenched vets that are blocking young players, and who are the young players that aren't being given a chance??

[spitfire418]

Again who are these guys that aren't already getting a good share of snaps?

WR - all young inexperienced guys.

Oline - everyone except Yanda currently is a young, backup

RB - all young inexperienced players

Dline - all young inexperienced players except Canty who's only getting 1/4 of the snaps

MLB - I've conceded this is the one spot I could see some reduced snaps

OLB - Doom is practically the only vet, experienced player and leader left on the squad. And Za'Darius is really the only young guy you'd want getting more snaps and he's already around 40%

CB - with Webb getting more reps at safety, behind Jimmy it's all new or inexperienced

Safety - Brooks is the only guy, and he's been seeing increased reps but continues to make BIG mistakes. You don't reward a guy for continued mental lapses. If he earns it fine, but the Webb experiment also has to fit into the equation.

So where are these entrenched vets that are blocking young players, and who are the young players that aren't being given a chance??

I mentioned all the players that need more snaps already. Brooks, Brown, Orr, McClellan, Walker, Urban, KLM. None of them are getting a good share of snaps really. I've seen McClellan probably the most out of those guys and it's not even that much. Plus you said Brooks is seeing increased reps. He hasn't played one snap since he got injured vs. Browns, and he hasn't made any "BIG" mistakes this year. Only two things I could think of is when he tripped in coverage vs. Browns and then the late hit vs. Rams. I don't understand why people hate on him and say he makes these BIG mistakes when everyone else on the team and in the league makes the exact same ones. He is a young and developing player. Give the guy a break, he barely gets to play. Also, I liked that hit against the Rams. That's football. This league is turning into flag football with all these new rules and bad refs. Yeah it was unnecessary, but it showed aggressiveness and effort which we need from our players. He was just trying to make a play because of the small amount of chances he gets to make one.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I mentioned all the players that need more snaps already. Brooks, Brown, Orr, McClellan, Walker, Urban, KLM. None of them are getting a good share of snaps really. I've seen McClellan probably the most out of those guys and it's not even that much. Plus you said Brooks is seeing increased reps. He hasn't played one snap since he got injured vs. Browns, and he hasn't made any "BIG" mistakes this year. Only two things I could think of is when he tripped in coverage vs. Browns and then the late hit vs. Rams. I don't understand why people hate on him and say he makes these BIG mistakes when everyone else on the team and in the league makes the exact same ones. He is a young and developing player. Give the guy a break, he barely gets to play. Also, I liked that hit against the Rams. That's football. This league is turning into flag football with all these new rules and bad refs. Yeah it was unnecessary, but it showed aggressiveness and effort which we need from our players. He was just trying to make a play because of the small amount of chances he gets to make one.

Brooks was seeing increased snaps until week 5 when he, and in fairness most of the secondary, played like complete garbage. He was inactive every week until the Rams game... And then has an unacceptable penalty in that game. Id like for young guys to get more time but it's got to be earned. Every time he's been asked about Harbaugh has mentioned him not having great practices.

Orr and Brown are slowly getting some snaps. Not many but some. Still 6 games left. Too early to start pulling your two leaders.

McLellan has been here for a long time and started. They know exactly what he is and what he isn't. Don't know how much more evaluating you can do.

Urban is just returning. He will have a role.

KLM has only young players in front of him. Why take snaps from Carl Davis, Jernigan, Guy and Urban if they're all developing, could use the snaps and those guys are showing a ton more promise?

And Walker clearly isn't ready. We've signed guys off the street and other PS's to avoid putting him in. Putting him in just to do it isn't going to benefit him or anyone else if he's just going to get torched and be a quick easy completion for the offense.

Guys have to at least have their assignments down before you let them take the field in a decent size role. If you send them out there while they still have bad habits and don't know the play book then they're just practicing bad habits. Plus you can't get a good evaluation on the other young players who may be ready to contribute if there are glaring weaknesses in other positions.

Can't evaluate the secondary if there isn't a pass rush to speak of. Can't evaluate the rush if the secondary is a sieve. Can't evaluate the run D if teams can just light us up passing. Etc, etc...

They'll evaluate the young guys that are ready to be evaluated. We may want to see them for our own sake but the coaches see them every single day. They know for the most part what guys are capable of. If you're not seeing a guy he's just not ready - whether that's not sound enough in technique, not knowing the play book enough, not consistent enough yet, or not playing with enough effort.

[spitfire418]

Brooks was seeing increased snaps until week 5 when he, and in fairness most of the secondary, played like complete garbage. He was inactive every week until the Rams game... And then has an unacceptable penalty in that game. Id like for young guys to get more time but it's got to be earned. Every time he's been asked about Harbaugh has mentioned him not having great practices.

Orr and Brown are slowly getting some snaps. Not many but some. Still 6 games left. Too early to start pulling your two leaders.

McLellan has been here for a long time and started. They know exactly what he is and what he isn't. Don't know how much more evaluating you can do.

Urban is just returning. He will have a role.

KLM has only young players in front of him. Why take snaps from Carl Davis, Jernigan, Guy and Urban if they're all developing, could use the snaps and those guys are showing a ton more promise?

And Walker clearly isn't ready. We've signed guys off the street and other PS's to avoid putting him in. Putting him in just to do it isn't going to benefit him or anyone else if he's just going to get torched and be a quick easy completion for the offense.

Guys have to at least have their assignments down before you let them take the field in a decent size role. If you send them out there while they still have bad habits and don't know the play book then they're just practicing bad habits. Plus you can't get a good evaluation on the other young players who may be ready to contribute if there are glaring weaknesses in other positions.

Can't evaluate the secondary if there isn't a pass rush to speak of. Can't evaluate the rush if the secondary is a sieve. Can't evaluate the run D if teams can just light us up passing. Etc, etc...

They'll evaluate the young guys that are ready to be evaluated. We may want to see them for our own sake but the coaches see them every single day. They know for the most part what guys are capable of. If you're not seeing a guy he's just not ready - whether that's not sound enough in technique, not knowing the play book enough, not consistent enough yet, or not playing with enough effort.

Yes he saw increased snaps because of injuries to our corners, so he played nickel for us. Plus he was inactive until the Rams game because of thumb surgery if you didn't know. I don't look at his late hit penalty (which is his first ever penalty I believe) as much of a big deal. I liked him showing some effort and attitude on that play. He was just trying to make a play because of the small amount of chances that he gets. Harbaugh has actually always said that Brooks is practicing well. The only negative practice comment I've ever heard on him was from Dean Pees that he is making some mental errors.

[AsianRice]

we need to rest our star player like Webb, Jimmy, Yanda, Mosley

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Yes he saw increased snaps because of injuries to our corners, so he played nickel for us. Plus he was inactive until the Rams game because of thumb surgery if you didn't know. I don't look at his late hit penalty (which is his first ever penalty I believe) as much of a big deal. I liked him showing some effort and attitude on that play. He was just trying to make a play because of the small amount of chances that he gets. Harbaugh has actually always said that Brooks is practicing well. The only negative practice comment I've ever heard on him was from Dean Pees that he is making some mental errors.

Yes I know about the surgery. You made the comment he hasn't got 1 snap since the Browns game. My point was, well of course, he hasn't been available - it's not like he was just sitting behind vets (since that's the topic of conversation).

Trying to make a play or not, if you can't do it within the rules and you hurt the team that's a problem.

Brooks getting more snaps hasn't been limited by vets in his way, it's been injuries and mental errors. With time he'll naturally get more as he was prior to the thumb injury.

So I ask again... Where are these players that weren't getting their time already that we need to purposely rest or sit starters so they can get playing time? (I.e. The topic of this forum)

Everyone that's been brought up as a candidate in this thread isn't limited by an entrenched vet ahead of them... It's been injuries, availability, not having the playbook down, or having other higher priority young players already getting the reps (with the one exception of Daryl Smith over Orr/Brown).

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Yes I know about the surgery. You made the comment he hasn't got 1 snap since the Browns game. My point was, well of course, he hasn't been available - it's not like he was just sitting behind vets (since that's the topic of conversation).

Trying to make a play or not, if you can't do it within the rules and you hurt the team that's a problem.

Brooks getting more snaps hasn't been limited by vets in his way, it's been injuries and mental errors. With time he'll naturally get more as he was prior to the thumb injury.

So I ask again... Where are these players that weren't getting their time already that we need to purposely rest or sit starters so they can get playing time? (I.e. The topic of this forum)

Everyone that's been brought up as a candidate in this thread isn't limited by an entrenched vet ahead of them... It's been injuries, availability, not having the playbook down, or having other higher priority young players already getting the reps (with the one exception of Daryl Smith over Orr/Brown).

I've mentioned all the players several times that could take more snaps and give our starters some rest. Some of these players are limited by an entrenched vet ahead of them though. For example, these coaches would never bench the terrible Kendrick Lewis because of his experience, contract, and the fact that he counted against our comp picks. What a waste he has been so far. Worse then what Darian Stewart was for us. So Brooks has always had a vet above him in his career. You're wrong on that one. The MLB's have a vet in Daryl Smith above them. You could say Tray Walker does too.

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I've mentioned all the players several times that could take more snaps and give our starters some rest. Some of these players are limited by an entrenched vet ahead of them though. For example, these coaches would never bench the terrible Kendrick Lewis because of his experience, contract, and the fact that he counted against our comp picks. What a waste he has been so far. Worse then what Darian Stewart was for us. So Brooks has always had a vet above him in his career. You're wrong on that one. The MLB's have a vet in Daryl Smith above them. You could say Tray Walker does too.

Brooks missed all of preseason so he wasn't going to play off the bat. He was getting increased snaps until the Cleveland game and got injured. He then missed 5 games. He's been back for one week and Lewis is out I believe this coming game.

His injuries have limited his opportunity, not Lewis. This Webb experiment is proof they're desperate for an alternative to Lewis, they're far from committed to him. If were darn near depleted at corner and they're willing to take one of the top performers this season at that position and give him snaps at safety, then obviously they're not tied to playing Lewis there.

If Brooks had been healthy I guarantee he'd be seeing a fair share of snaps. He just hasn't and I don't see how in any way that's Kendrick Lewis' fault.