does flaccos injury change our draft strategy?

[JoeyFlex5]

i doubt it, but its worth a thought... with flaccos mechanics regressing this year, you have to be concerned about his mechanics in the future, torn ACL to a qb often leads to an inability to step into a throw, its a bit worrisome... 

 

so you have to wonder, will the ravens consider possibly trading back, getting a future first, and taking cook or goff? im not big on the idea, but it has to be in the back of someones mind at this point...

[xxDarby]

Yeah I doubt we do something like that

[PurpleCity5]

I heavily prefer to trade back. If we get an extra 1st that would be tremendous to us getting back to our prime. 

 

Though I do believe Joe's injury is a legit concern. It wouldn't be a long-shot to say he'd return in time for next season. Terrence Brooks returned after 8 months from a Torn ACL/MCL. Joe takes great care of his body, if it helps David J. Chao, a qualified Doc. from ProFootball talk believes Joe should be Ok for 2016. I think if Bosa is there then you take him. 

[GrimCoconut]

i doubt it, but its worth a thought... with flaccos mechanics regressing this year, you have to be concerned about his mechanics in the future, torn ACL to a qb often leads to an inability to step into a throw, its a bit worrisome... 

 

so you have to wonder, will the ravens consider possibly trading back, getting a future first, and taking cook or goff? im not big on the idea, but it has to be in the back of someones mind at this point...

Where do you get this information?

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/25263882/why-carson-palmer-is-even-better-following-a-second-knee-injury

 

 

 

The ball pops off his arm with more velocity, the end result of hours and hours in the gym, a refinement of his mechanics and the will to want to be whole again.

 

 

“You don't want to be 6-5 and play 6-2,” Arians said. “He had tendency to play with his feet spread. He's gotten them back under him. It may look like his arm is stronger, but he has better mechanics.”

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread141119offense/acl-injuries-all-star-nfl-lineup-recovered-knee-reconstruction-surgery

 

 

 

Key before/after facts: Brady has become more efficient since the injury, with a touchdown/interception ratio of 3.51, compared to 2.29 before. He also has been more than three times as harried, pressured on 18.6 percent of his dropbacks, compared to 5.2.

 

Just because a guy tears an ACL doesn't mean he will come back worse. Palmer re-invented his mechanics coming back from his ACL, so I think this could be a time fork Joe to re-learn his. 

[GrimCoconut]

I heavily prefer to trade back. If we get an extra 1st that would be tremendous to us getting back to our prime. 

 

Though I do believe Joe's injury is a legit concern. It wouldn't be a long-shot to say he'd return in time for next season. Terrence Brooks returned after 8 months from a Torn ACL/MCL. Joe takes great care of his body, if it helps David J. Chao, a qualified Doc. from ProFootball talk believes Joe should be Ok for 2016. I think if Bosa is there then you take him. 

Rivers played on a torn ACL and then he returned in like 3-months, lol. Joe's never been out and this is his first time missing games. I think he'll be fine. He seems like a quick healer and a tough guy. I think he'll be just OK. He's not exactly a running QB but he can make plays with his feet. I'm only worried teams may try to target the knee, but that's the game. He can play with a brace for all I care.

 

I wouldn't rule out a LT, though. 

[PurpleCity5]

Rivers played on a torn ACL and then he returned in like 3-months, lol. Joe's never been out and this is his first time missing games. I think he'll be fine. He seems like a quick healer and a tough guy. I think he'll be just OK. He's not exactly a running QB but he can make plays with his feet. I'm only worried teams may try to target the knee, but that's the game. He can play with a brace for all I care.

 

I wouldn't rule out a LT, though. 

Yeah, I think he'll be fine. Albeit it's a serious injury and I'm not trying to downplay it but I think some are overreacting. 

 

I wouldn't rule out an LT either, I'm tired of Hurst. I cannot stop saying that. I don't want to sound rude but the guy is pretty awful. 

Edited November 23, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, I think he'll be fine. Albeit it's a serious injury and I'm not trying to downplay it but I think some are overreacting. 

 

I wouldn't rule out an LT either, I'm tired of Hurst. I cannot stop saying that. I don't want to sound rude but the guy is pretty awful. 

Here's how I see it:

 

I think Tunsil is probably #1 on the board. He's possibly another Tyron Smith. This guy has the template to be the best LT in football. I mean that with all respect to Joe Thomas, too. I think the Ravens have Stanley lower than Tunsil and lower than Bosa. If I had to guess, our top-3 guys are probably Tunsil, Bosa then Hargreaves, and I honestly think that Ogbah is up there, too. I think he's a guy that teams rate higher than fans & media, and as a result, I think he'll surprise some people where he goes. But regardless, I think Tunsil will be our pick if we have our way. 

[ravefan52]

I definitely wouldn't mind having Stanley or Tunsil on our team. Monroe's injuries are are occurring way too often, but what if we just upgraded our backup LT? I know it's not easy finding a good one and it's not ideal using resources on a backup, but it might be better to do that and just draft a top defender instead. I mean Hurst is terrible and I feel like we could find a better, reasonable option in FA or the mid rounds of the draft. Again, not easy to do just an idea.

[allblackraven]

I definitely wouldn't mind having Stanley or Tunsil on our team. Monroe's injuries are are occurring way too often, but what if we just upgraded our backup LT? I know it's not easy finding a good one and it's not ideal using resources on a backup, but it might be better to do that and just draft a top defender instead. I mean Hurst is terrible and I feel like we could find a better, reasonable option in FA or the mid rounds of the draft. Again, not easy to do just an idea.

Don't forget we'll likely be without KO next season, too. It would only make sense to draft the top guy if he is on the board.

[Maryland]

I think drafting a 1st round QB is an overreaction to what happened today (although I know you're mainly just playing devil's advocate because we're all bored around here until draft day).

 

It was his left leg. Luckily that's not his plant leg. I hope he recovers in time for next season. 

 

We would probably need the #1 overall to draft Tunsil. Stanley isn't worth a top-5 pick. 

[KDUBB44]

I'm so godamn sick of people talking about trading back. Trade back for what? Anyone who has seen us play no we lack talent. How many comp picks are we going to get this year? 20? 30?. Enough is enough, we have enough picks. Pick the best player available

[allblackraven]

I think drafting a 1st round QB is an overreaction to what happened today (although I know you're mainly just playing devil's advocate because we're all bored around here until draft day).

 

It was his left leg. Luckily that's not his plant leg. I hope he recovers in time for next season. 

 

We would probably need the #1 overall to draft Tunsil. Stanley isn't worth a top-5 pick. 

Seeing how he throws with his right arm, of course it's his plant leg.

[GrimCoconut]

It's irrelevant whether it's his plant leg or not. It's very likely he'll be fine. Of course you never know, but I'm confident in Joe.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

No.....

Listen up people. This pretty much solidifies we're drafint #1 overall. Goff is not good enough to be that and we do not need him.

Now if someone like Hackenberg were to fall to say round three I'd take him in a heartbeat. Groom the heir to Joe by getting a guy with just as big of an arm.

We're either going to take Tunsil or Bosa. I want Bosa. This season has been a perfect storm of crap. We're missing a piece in the front 7. Bosa looks like he could be just that

[JoeyFlex5]

Where do you get this information?

 

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete-prisco/25263882/why-carson-palmer-is-even-better-following-a-second-knee-injury

 

 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread141119offense/acl-injuries-all-star-nfl-lineup-recovered-knee-reconstruction-surgery

 

 

Just because a guy tears an ACL doesn't mean he will come back worse. Palmer re-invented his mechanics coming back from his ACL, so I think this could be a time fork Joe to re-learn his. 

im convinced tom brady isnt human, and carson palmer didnt come back immediately from his first ACL and suddenly begin playing better, he struggled for years with mechanics and other injuries between now and his first ACL.

 

im not doubting joe here, im sure he puts in the work to make this work right, but it still raises a question with his regression and upcoming cap figures, one has to wonder if steve has a little doubt creeping in about the future.

 

im 100% against taking a qb in the first, but suddenly it has become an interesting topic i believe 

[January J]

i doubt it, but its worth a thought... with flaccos mechanics regressing this year, you have to be concerned about his mechanics in the future, torn ACL to a qb often leads to an inability to step into a throw, its a bit worrisome... 

 

so you have to wonder, will the ravens consider possibly trading back, getting a future first, and taking cook or goff? im not big on the idea, but it has to be in the back of someones mind at this point...

well hey he usually throws off his Back foot anyway lol

[bravensfan52]

Best LT available

[GrimCoconut]

im convinced tom brady isnt human, and carson palmer didnt come back immediately from his first ACL and suddenly begin playing better, he struggled for years with mechanics and other injuries between now and his first ACL.

 

im not doubting joe here, im sure he puts in the work to make this work right, but it still raises a question with his regression and upcoming cap figures, one has to wonder if steve has a little doubt creeping in about the future.

 

im 100% against taking a qb in the first, but suddenly it has become an interesting topic i believe 

We're not talking his [Palmer's] first ACL. We're talking the most recent ACL that is comparable [to Joe's] due to the advances in the treatment. While I understand you're comparing first incidence with first incidence, that's like comparing a 1960s Cadillac with a 2009 Cadillac. There's really little to compare other than the brand.

 

I was the only guy other than BmoreBird22 who said it might not be a bad thing to take a QB high like Goff because we can't rely on Joe Flacco staying inhuman forever nor can we rely on his contract just restructuring. It's still not my preferred option, but I still stand by that comment. I'd rather have Joe, but I still see the sense in getting a quality QB high to develop behind Joe. If that's Goff, I support this team 100%.

Edited November 23, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[52520Andrew]

Frankly, we just have to hope Flacco can recover. I am optimistic as treatment has gotten better(Gurley tore his less than a year ago) but it is one of those things where you just hope they can recover.

[JoeyFlex5]

We're not talking his first ACL. We're talking the most recent ACL that is comparable due to the advances in the treatment. While I understand you're comparing first incidence with first incidence, that's like comparing a 1960s Cadillac with a 2009 Cadillac. There's really little to compare other than the brand.

good point, but still different people respond to medicine differently. and I still think it is fair to compare first to first because of familiarity, Palmer had been through it before, flacco hasn't.

[GrimCoconut]

good point, but still different people respond to medicine differently. and I still think it is fair to compare first to first because of familiarity, Palmer had been through it before, flacco hasn't.

Rivers never tore his ACL and then it happened and he came back in, like, less than 4-months. 

 

How's that for a comparison? Both are QBs, both remained pretty healthy throughout their careers. 

 

I think you're grasping at straws or possibly even letting emotion cloud reason.

[JoeyFlex5]

Rivers never tore his ACL and then it happened and he came back in, like, less than 4-months. 

 

How's that for a comparison? Both are QBs, both remained pretty healthy throughout their careers. 

 

I think you're grasping at straws or possibly even letting emotion cloud reason.

ive said multiple times that I believe joe will be fine and I'm bringing this up for discussions sake, I don't know how I can show anymore that I'm not letting emotion cloud reason and that I'm just sparking up conversation here...

[GrimCoconut]

ive said multiple times that I believe joe will be fine and I'm bringing this up for discussions sake, I don't know how I can show anymore that I'm not letting emotion cloud reason and that I'm just sparking up conversation here...

Ah, I see. My bad then. So are you essentially playing devil's advocate here since you said that different people heal differently and talking about the comparison with Palmer's second not being appropriate despite being literally many years ago when ACL injuries were still in their early stages and his most recent one and the rehab he received helped him return better than before?

 

What I'm saying is, to anyone who questions it, is why can't Joe Flacco return better? Just because it's his first doesn't mean he won't know how to return to form. Tom Brady did this very thing. In fact, I think most QBs of his ilk returned better than they left because they do have to re-learn the mechanics. I can't see why Joe can't. He's a pretty determined guy. He's not lazy or anything. I trust in Joe Flacco and the rehab team to help him along, and you better believe he'll get the best therapy and may even get pointers from Palmer and others. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Ah, I see. My bad then. So are you essentially playing devil's advocate here since you said that different people heal differently and talking about the comparison with Palmer's second not being appropriate despite being literally many years ago when ACL injuries were still in their early stages and his most recent one and the rehab he received helped him return better than before?

 

What I'm saying is, to anyone who questions it, is why can't Joe Flacco return better? Just because it's his first doesn't mean he won't know how to return to form. Tom Brady did this very thing. In fact, I think most QBs of his ilk returned better than they left because they do have to re-learn the mechanics. I can't see why Joe can't. He's a pretty determined guy. He's not lazy or anything. I trust in Joe Flacco and the rehab team to help him along, and you better believe he'll get the best therapy and may even get pointers from Palmer and others.

devils advocate, exactly lol

[edthehead]

I'm so godamn sick of people talking about trading back. Trade back for what? Anyone who has seen us play no we lack talent. How many comp picks are we going to get this year? 20? 30?. Enough is enough, we have enough picks. Pick the best player available

YO,,, I feel your pain, any other year I would be shouting the same thing or trade up get a good player, this year there are no really outstanding players  coming into the league, no game changers, this is the first year i am a true advocate for trading back .

if we are top 5 and drop to around 10-15 and get an extra 1 next year and rather sit use them picks.

[GrimCoconut]

YO,,, I feel your pain, any other year I would be shouting the same thing or trade up get a good player, this year there are no really outstanding players  coming into the league, no game changers, this is the first year i am a true advocate for trading back .

if we are top 5 and drop to around 10-15 and get an extra 1 next year and rather sit use them picks.

This is how I feel. I'm just not impressed by this draft class at the top. I have questions about every single one of them, more so than in the past. The only one I really feel confident that won't bust is Hargreaves. Bosa is a guy I like but I don't see a major drop-off from him to a guy like Ogbah, who looks terrific as a pass rusher. Granted, Bosa is a better prospect, but I see a lot of qualities in Ogbah that may me say the drop-off is minimal comparatively speaking. Ramsey is a guy I love and I've called for a FS for years; however, he plays with a bad attitude at times and this could be a problem as a pro. He could be a penalty magnet and I'm not sure he has the range to be an Earl Thomas FS we expect of him; however, I do think he could be a Harrison Smith, who may actually be better than Thomas, so I have no problems with him. The thing is it's a deeper safety class than CB. 

 

Tunsil and Stanley are two guys I like, but both have areas that concern me. Stanley needs lower body strength and even upper body strength to maintain his skill at the next level, and there's no telling if he can stay as good after adding on weight. Furthermore, Tunsil is a great prospect but he isn't as refined as Stanley in pass protection but he's a better run blocker and has a higher ceiling. Both LTs are subject to bust concerns since there hasn't been an elite, safe LT in literally years. 

 

I hate this draft. I almost wish this happened last year or the year before so we could have Mack or Cooper. 

[Cillmatic]

Think this makes it clear that we're drafting a LT in the first round.

[GrimCoconut]

As for drafting a new QB, I'd like Brandon Allen of the Arkansas Razorbacks. I also like Connor Cook should he fall on draft day, which is possible. There seems to be a lot of criticism surrounding Cook and his future in the NFL. Both could come here and be groomed as potential starters or just insurance policies in the event Joe gets hurt.

While I understand the value of QB, Cook could very well fall on draft day like other guys propped as top prospects to only later fall.

As much as I want Boyd, if for some reason Goff fell on draft day I'd trade up from our second to get him so we'd have that fifth year option.

[jboy19]

I could see a QB coming into the draft if its a best player available later in the draft. I think out of Goff, Lynch, Cook, Hackenburg Cardale Jones or Wentz maybe one slides down to the 4th where I could see us biting. This is all about developing a back up though, we aren't looking for a franchise QB at this point. 

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I'm so godamn sick of people talking about trading back. Trade back for what? Anyone who has seen us play no we lack talent. How many comp picks are we going to get this year? 20? 30?. Enough is enough, we have enough picks. Pick the best player available

 

Trade back for a future 1 as well as get a high 1 this year. There's just enough "elite talent" at the top this year to be able to move back and still get someone. We're not talking about moving back ten spots and adding a 2 & 3.