Flacco out for season

[GhostofGrbac]

That's an incredibly simplistic way of looking at it. Not all losses are the same. By that logic, all wins are the same so all 6-0 teams are the same, and you can ask the Panthers and Falcons how that theory turned out.

 

Of course they're not all the same, but in the end they mean the same thing. 

[Dr. Kelley]

franchise QBs always took a big part of the cap.

its been that way since the cap was introduced...

hilarious to think this started with flacco lmao

Well, since flacco is our first real franchise quarterback, I guess its a new concept to a lot of ravens fans. And a lot of those fans haven't been around long enough to see, say, jim harbaugh as our quartback, so I guess they just don't get it

[Dr. Kelley]

Yeah. I'm not sure what happened, but it was like the entire team lost its momentum. Probably a good explanation for the cause of the change in play for both sides of the ball.

Lol you mean harbs quoting motown during the power outagesidnt keep guys on their toes?

[The Mom Gene]

I think you completely missed my point. I'm talking about the team as a whole. We weren't much better with Flacco in there. The record shows that.

I got your point.  I just don't agree with it.  We were fine until we started losing players, which was almost right away.  We lost Suggs Week 1...  And Campanaro and Waller pretty fast too...  My point was the topic is "Joe Flacco Out for the Season".  WE were discussing how much we missed him, and his impact on the team and the game as a whole

[GhostofGrbac]

I got your point.  I just don't agree with it.  We were fine until we started losing players, which was almost right away.  We lost Suggs Week 1...  And Campanaro and Waller pretty fast too...  My point was the topic is "Joe Flacco Out for the Season".  WE were discussing how much we missed him, and his impact on the team and the game as a whole

 

I disagree that we were fine. This team as a whole hasn't looked good all season IMO. 

[The Mom Gene]

Yeah, the one that almost let the Niners win the game in the second half after the lights went out.

There's a great "Turning Point" with Dan Patrick on that game.  He also covered the Ravens in the same playoff series, Broncos and Patriots games too..

[52520Andrew]

A loss is a loss. Regardless if it's 35-6 or 27-24.

Guess Joe Thomas is terrible since the Browns only have 3 wins. Or we can stick with QB and go with Rivers this year

How many points per game did the offense score with Flacco compared to without Flacco(and I mean the offense), that is a much more telling stat to me if someone wants to look it up.

Edited December 15, 2015 by 52520Andrew

[Tru11]

Well, since flacco is our first real franchise quarterback, I guess its a new concept to a lot of ravens fans. And a lot of those fans haven't been around long enough to see, say, jim harbaugh as our quartback, so I guess they just don't get it

 

Yup QBs always got paid.

 

you can go back to the montana and marino period if not even further and see that even then QBs got paid lol.

 

i have no idea why people freak out TBH.

to me i dont care about the sum people are getting.

im more interested in the structure and how much is guaranteed since those 2 will determine the cap hit and dead money in case something happens.

[GhostofGrbac]

Guess Joe Thomas is terrible since the Browns only have 3 wins. Or we can stick with QB and go with Rivers this year

How many points per game did the offense score with Flacco compared to without Flacco(and I mean the offense), that is a much more telling stat to me if someone wants to look it up.

 

Where did I say any player was terrible? 

[52520Andrew]

Where did I say any player was terrible?

You didn't but you said a loss is a loss no matter the score. Problem is, those losses were a lot closer when Flacco was in and the fact that those games were closer is saying something. Just going off wins and losses and not taking even the score into account(the most basic stat) is a terrible way to evaluate teams let alone players.

[GhostofGrbac]

You didn't but you said a loss is a loss no matter the score. Problem is, those losses were a lot closer when Flacco was in and the fact that those games were closer is saying something. Just going off wins and losses and not taking even the score into account(the most basic stat) is a terrible way to evaluate teams let alone players.

 

So then why even bring up Joe Thomas?

 

A closer loss says that the team wasn't good enough to pull out the win. In the end is still goes into the L column regardless of how it happens.

[52520Andrew]

So then why even bring up Joe Thomas?

A closer loss says that the team wasn't good enough to pull out the win. In the end is still goes into the L column regardless of how it happens.

To illustrate just how stupid the logic of evaluating players based on wins and losses is. Thomas is an elite OT who is more than likely going to the hall of fame. Never been to the playoffs though and the Browns have 3 wins this year.

Agreed, they aren't good enough but if they were able to make plays on the other side, it means they were closer to winning. A team that competes in every game that they lose is better than one that gets blown out. It doesn't matter because the teams have the same record but it is fairly easy to tell that one is better than the other and has a better chance at competing the next year.

[GhostofGrbac]

To illustrate just how stupid the logic of evaluating players based on wins and losses is. Thomas is an elite OT who is more than likely going to the hall of fame. Never been to the playoffs though and the Browns have 3 wins this year.

Agreed, they aren't good enough but if they were able to make plays on the other side, it means they were closer to winning. A team that competes in every game that they lose is better than one that gets blown out. It doesn't matter because the teams have the same record but it is fairly easy to tell that one is better than the other and has a better chance at competing the next year.

 

Again I never said anything about evaluating players based on wins and loses. I have no idea where you're getting that from. I specifically said i was talking about the team as a whole. 

 

Ok a team that competes in every game is better, but the end result is still a loss. This isn't like kids sports where you get a participation trophy for almost winning. 

[allblackraven]

Again I never said anything about evaluating players based on wins and loses. I have no idea where you're getting that from. I specifically said i was talking about the team as a whole. 

 

Ok a team that competes in every game is better, but the end result is still a loss. This isn't like kids sports where you get a participation trophy for almost winning. 

No - in 'Flacco out for season' thread you said "we didn't look much better with Joe in the team either", which implies that Joe-led offense is as bad as the one with Schaub or Clausen.

 

We lost most of the games due to poor defense while Joe was playing.

[GhostofGrbac]

No - in 'Flacco out for season' thread you said "we didn't look much better with Joe in the team either", which implies that Joe-led offense is as bad as the one with Schaub or Clausen.

 

We lost most of the games due to poor defense while Joe was playing.

 

No it implies that this TEAM hasn't been good all season. 

 

To even suggest that I'm implying that a Joe-led offense is as bad as the one with Schaub or Clausen is foolish. Even the biggest Flacco basher wouldn't say that. 

[1/28/01]

No - in 'Flacco out for season' thread you said "we didn't look much better with Joe in the team either", which implies that Joe-led offense is as bad as the one with Schaub or Clausen.

We lost most of the games due to poor defense while Joe was playing.

The offense didn't look much better.

[Deflated Football]

We're two or three competent WR's and a healthy offensive line away from shooting it out with the rest of the elite offenses of the NFL. Hate him or love him, Flacco's an important piece of the puzzle, but not the only piece. It can't all fall on him. He needs a good supporting cast.

[52520Andrew]

We weren't much better with Flacco in there. The record shows that.

Uh

And I'd say we were a good bit better then. We lost games sure but we actually did well. To recap without Flacco

1 Beat the worst team in the NFL on a miracle play

2 lost to the Dolphins

3 got blown out by Seattle

I'd say we were much better to start the season playing Denver, Oakland, and Cincy all tough. I still don't think we were good but we were easily much better than this.

[beanfigger]

The offense didn't look much better.

Maybe not against St. Louis, but c'mon. Have we even sniffed 20 points since he got hurt? I know we scored twice on special teams the first game, and I think the offense has scored two touchdowns the last three weeks combined. Our offense wasn't Pittsburgh's, but it was MUCH better with Joe than without.

[flynismo]

No it implies that this TEAM hasn't been good all season. 

 

To even suggest that I'm implying that a Joe-led offense is as bad as the one with Schaub or Clausen is foolish. Even the biggest Flacco basher wouldn't say that. 

 

 

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The offense didn't look much better.

[beanfigger]

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Haha

[GhostofGrbac]

Uh

And I'd say we were a good bit better then. We lost games sure but we actually did well. To recap without Flacco

1 Beat the worst team in the NFL on a miracle play

2 lost to the Dolphins

3 got blown out by Seattle

I'd say we were much better to start the season playing Denver, Oakland, and Cincy all tough. I still don't think we were good but we were easily much better than this.

 

 

We lost games, but we actually did well? What is this pee wee football? Are the Ravens getting participation trophies at the end of the season? I don't care how well we did in loses. The fact is they go in the L column like every loss. 

 

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. it's obvious that we're not changing each others mind. Going back and forth is just a waste of our time. Hopefully we can get through the rest of this season with no more major injuries, and retool for next season.

[Militant X 1]

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Yowza! Ha!

[Florida Ravens Fan]

If it wasn't for the D giving up late 4th quarter leads we would definitely have had more Ws. 

I hate the argument that Flacco needs a supporting cast, don't all Qbs need one to an extent? This is a team sport eh?? Look at the Elite Brady when his weapons are down 2 straight losses. Flacco has never had elite guys on O, he won us a superbowl with ok wrs and a a beast past his prime.

[1/28/01]

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Good try. But our offense has sucked all year. Flacco is better than every other QB on our roster. But sheesh, good work taking something out of context.

[usmccharles]

We lost games, but we actually did well? What is this pee wee football? Are the Ravens getting participation trophies at the end of the season? I don't care how well we did in loses. The fact is they go in the L column like every loss. 

 

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. it's obvious that we're not changing each others mind. Going back and forth is just a waste of our time. Hopefully we can get through the rest of this season with no more major injuries, and retool for next season.

Yea, we actually did well.  I think the point he is making is that we were in all those games, every single one of them.  Id much rather watch us lose down at the wire than the type of game that just happened on sunday

 

If it wasn't for the D giving up late 4th quarter leads we would definitely have had more Ws. 

I hate the argument that Flacco needs a supporting cast, don't all Qbs need one to an extent? This is a team sport eh?? Look at the Elite Brady when his weapons are down 2 straight losses. Flacco has never had elite guys on O, he won us a superbowl with ok wrs and a a beast past his prime.

I think the key word is to an extent.  No one can ever argue that we gave Joe an elite talent ie a Dez, Julio, Megatron etc... but we surrounded him with a variety of weapons which is all i think we need to do.  Im nervous about the RB position in the future, i still think we need a guy like Rice. 

[redrum52]

Yea, we actually did well. I think the point he is making is that we were in all those games, every single one of them. Id much rather watch us lose down at the wire than the type of game that just happened on sunday

I think the key word is to an extent. No one can ever argue that we gave Joe an elite talent ie a Dez, Julio, Megatron etc... but we surrounded him with a variety of weapons which is all i think we need to do. Im nervous about the RB position in the future, i still think we need a guy like Rice.

That game would've been similar, with or without Joe.

[usmccharles]

That game would've been similar, with or without Joe.

Disagree

[52520Andrew]

We lost games, but we actually did well? What is this pee wee football? Are the Ravens getting participation trophies at the end of the season? I don't care how well we did in loses. The fact is they go in the L column like every loss. 

 

We're just going to have to agree to disagree. it's obvious that we're not changing each others mind. Going back and forth is just a waste of our time. Hopefully we can get through the rest of this season with no more major injuries, and retool for next season.

 

I am not saying that this team is good, I am saying that they are much better for competing and failing than if they just gave up midway through the third quarter and never put up a fight. If you see no difference between going down like a coward and going down guns blazing, then there isn't much I can say to change your mind.

[Ravenseconbeast]

We cant afford Joe Thomas even if we tried.   There are so much fat to trim next season to actually make some cap to bring in real FA that will make impact.

 

We need to figure out a way to dump some overrated players out of our lineup.   Some players that are talented are bound to be on IR, those guys needs to be figured out also.  

 

If we want to be contenders, we need to make some room.   Otherwise it will be bargain binging again @ the market.