Cam Cameron Playing It Safe

[rlh445]

[quote name='ravensfan160' post='127648' date='Jan 12 2009, 02:27 PM']Thank you. I don't understand either. One guy in particular was flat out rude.

One thing I would like to see more of is the slant. The Titans reciever Gage kepts eating us alive with that. I know he's a bigger receiver but Mason and Clayton are primarily possession recievers so the shorter passes should be more open. I think the problem is that in a lot of our wins we wore down defenses by pounding the run and they finally broke allowing for long runs. The best example of that is the Cowboys game. Unfortunately, Cam doesn't seem to realize when that isn't working. [b]I'm all for running the football but mixing it up a little is all I'm asking.[/b][/quote]


I agree. I understand that we're a run first team. That's fine and dandy when we're at least making some headway. But in the middle of the second quarter, when you've rushed 15 times for 12 yards, I think that would be the time to realize that maybe running all day long will not win the day. And we already know that about the Steelers. We're not going to immediately tire them out or break them down. We need to keep that defense on its toes, as I'm sure they're going to be doing to us. Establishing the run is important, and I get that. But some people think establishing the run means to just run, whether it's successful or not, and I don't agree. We want defenses to respect the fact that we COULD run, but that doesn't mean we have to let our guys run into a brick wall for sixty minutes.

[bce086]

Its bad when I, as a fan (im sure you guys too) KNOW when we are going to run the ball. If we as fans know, of course the opposing defense and their coaches know what were doing. That is why we are getting no gains on running the ball. We have to mix it up. We have to trust Joe. We have to take chances... we wont beat the Steelers if our Offense plays like it did against the Titans.

[Tighthead420]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='125503' date='Jan 10 2009, 10:25 PM']OMG, you have NO idea how loud I was yelling at the T.V today.. My brother told me to shut up because the coaches wouldnt hear me in Tennessee. but I do AGREE, like boomer said at half.. take the CUFFS off Flacco! and STOP STOP STOP running it every FREAKIN FIRST DOWN. He is playing WAY to conservative for me.. He goes against these mediocore teams with so many wrinkles and tricks in his offense. But when we play these BIG teams he does NOTHING but play it safe.. even with the other team running up and down the entire feild!!!! This is the FIRST close game that actually went our way..

WHY AFTER THE JIMMY INT didnt we try to get a few plays in before the half?! that made abso. NO sense whatsoever to me. Now I may not be a corrdinator BUT I dont see the harm in trying to go deep with the ball once or twice.. whats the worst that could happen? An INT on Flaccos part?.. Who cares? they get it back at the beginning of the 3rd anyway?..

We got lucky with this game if you ask me.. and that scares me for next week.[/quote]

We should watch sometime!! LOL...I almost threw a beer can at my TV, the wife would not have liked that so much.

Most folks are right here, if the offense plays like that...we lose.

[FortheloveofRavens]

J. Flacco 16/31 192 1 0 (First Game)

J. Flacc 9/13 115 0 2 (Second Game)

We know that Flacco Does Better On The Road: Road Games 231 149 64.5 1,691 7.3 70 10 5

Being in Crowded Stadiums Doesn't effect him either (quite honestly i don't think gettin hit by a truck would either): Dallas Last Game at Stadium with all the HOF's around, Ten was insanely loud, Pittsburgh already (pretty good game stats wise 16/31 192 1 0). And He's not going to hit the rookie wall (18 games into the season he's not a rookie)

He's already seen what Pitt does twice and something tells me they don't change things often

So my question is do you guys that Cam is going to let Flacco loose this game I mean we have all the makings for it:
Flacco's Familiarity with Pitt
Todd Heap has the ability to sneak behind the def. if he is allowed
Mason has good games against Pitt.
Perhaps Ray Rice who wasn't used much in the ten. was not for a reason to. Maybe to keep him fresh for this game and plenty of screens for an aggresive pitt. D
Our O-Line can handle theirs against MIA and Ten (Porter, Ferguson, Haynesworth, Van Den Bosch,) Flacco didn't sacked and even the commentators have been saying that the line doesn't get enough credit.

I think Cam has something planned thats going to stun people. The Ravens and Steelers (of Course) are evenly match and like others I'm worried about the Ravens injury but the Ravens have been playing without 3 pro bowl caliber players (Gregg, Mcalister, Landry) and countless other backups, a young QB, rookie Head Coach, young Line,
a fullback playing runningback, and a depleted DB core. We've been at a disadvantage ALL SEASON and still banged out a 13-5 record (7-3 road). The difference i think is going to come down to a pissed off defense who is tired of not finishing and being a victim of blown calls and letting the game being determined by zebras, a young QB who is eager to win a game on his own, a rookie Head Coach who secretly is pissed off about not getting any points for being COY, and Reed wanting a Super Bowl Ring. Basically a lot of emotion and one team who is dangerous with a lot of emotion is Ray Lewis and the Ravens.

My Score Ravens win 14-10

Whoever wins this game wins the SB

[ravensfan160]

There are a couple other threads on this topic. That said I totally agree. One thing in particular I would like to see is Marcus Smith actually catch a pass! I still don't think he's caught one this entire year. Teams have to be overlooking him so I say its time to design some plays for him.

[steeler hater]

Love to see some actual drives! Ya know, mix up the run and the pass, some throws on first down, all the things mentioned previouly here, instead of two runs up the middle then chuck it fifty yards down the field hoping that your wideout makes a play. Given the state, health-wise, of the Raven's defense you've got to keep the offense on the field as much as possible.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='steeler hater' post='127785' date='Jan 12 2009, 05:11 PM']Love to see some actual drives! Ya know, mix up the run and the pass, some throws on first down, all the things mentioned previouly here, instead of two runs up the middle then chuck it fifty yards down the field hoping that your wideout makes a play. Given the state, health-wise, of the Raven's defense you've got to keep the offense on the field as much as possible.[/quote]

Yes! The Steelers will come out swinging. We can't play this take the lead protect it crap, unless you have a 20+ point lead I'm not comfortable & I hate it! Flacco has shown time and time agian he can come up with big plays when we need them. Why not let him free and come up with Big plays throughout the game?!

We NEED to get a STAR WR in the Draft, an Andre Johnson,T.J or Bouldon would be perfect for our Offense. No doubt Mase does his thing ..& so does Clayton for the most part. BUT we need THAT guy that if you through it in his direction 9 times out of 10 he'll catch it.. Kind of like an Ed reed on offense

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='steeler hater' post='127785' date='Jan 12 2009, 05:11 PM']Love to see some actual drives! Ya know, mix up the run and the pass, some throws on first down, all the things mentioned previouly here, instead of two runs up the middle then chuck it fifty yards down the field hoping that your wideout makes a play. Given the state, health-wise, of the Raven's defense you've got to keep the offense on the field as much as possible.[/quote]

Yes! The Steelers will come out swinging. We can't play this take the lead protect it crap, unless you have a 20+ point lead I'm not comfortable & I hate it! Flacco has shown time and time agian he can come up with big plays when we need them. Why not let him free and come up with Big plays throughout the game?!

We NEED to get a STAR WR in the Draft, an Andre Johnson,T.J or Bouldon would be perfect for our Offense. No doubt Mase does his thing ..& so does Clayton for the most part. BUT we need THAT guy that if you through it in his direction 9 times out of 10 he'll catch it.. Kind of like an Ed reed on offense

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='Chi_Town_Raven' post='125192' date='Jan 10 2009, 08:42 PM']Yeah, we need to open up a bit next week and one day.[/quote]
I agree. They better open up just as they did against all the teams who had records under 500 this season. Well, im not expecting them to score 30 points, but 13 points just won't get it don't. We have the potential to score a bit more if we get a little more aggresive on offense. We shouldn't respect their pass defense to the point we start coaching Brian Billick style. The bottom-line is, we can't leave it up to our defense to make big plays. That will be toooo much of a burden Sunday. This time around, Our offense will have to make the big plays. The defense will do their part.I think, scoring 17 to 21 points will get us a convincing Win. Teams may not have the ability to run on the steelers, but they can be scored on!!!!!! By the way, their offense isn't soooo great!!!!!!!

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='FortheloveofRavens' post='127779' date='Jan 12 2009, 04:02 PM']J. Flacco 16/31 192 1 0 (First Game)

J. Flacc 9/13 115 0 2 (Second Game)

We know that Flacco Does Better On The Road: Road Games 231 149 64.5 1,691 7.3 70 10 5

Being in Crowded Stadiums Doesn't effect him either (quite honestly i don't think gettin hit by a truck would either): Dallas Last Game at Stadium with all the HOF's around, Ten was insanely loud, Pittsburgh already (pretty good game stats wise 16/31 192 1 0). And He's not going to hit the rookie wall (18 games into the season he's not a rookie)

He's already seen what Pitt does twice and something tells me they don't change things often

So my question is do you guys that Cam is going to let Flacco loose this game I mean we have all the makings for it:
Flacco's Familiarity with Pitt
Todd Heap has the ability to sneak behind the def. if he is allowed
Mason has good games against Pitt.
Perhaps Ray Rice who wasn't used much in the ten. was not for a reason to. Maybe to keep him fresh for this game and plenty of screens for an aggresive pitt. D
Our O-Line can handle theirs against MIA and Ten (Porter, Ferguson, Haynesworth, Van Den Bosch,) Flacco didn't sacked and even the commentators have been saying that the line doesn't get enough credit.

I think Cam has something planned thats going to stun people. The Ravens and Steelers (of Course) are evenly match and like others I'm worried about the Ravens injury but the Ravens have been playing without 3 pro bowl caliber players (Gregg, Mcalister, Landry) and countless other backups, a young QB, rookie Head Coach, young Line,
a fullback playing runningback, and a depleted DB core. We've been at a disadvantage ALL SEASON and still banged out a 13-5 record (7-3 road). The difference i think is going to come down to a pissed off defense who is tired of not finishing and being a victim of blown calls and letting the game being determined by zebras, a young QB who is eager to win a game on his own, a rookie Head Coach who secretly is pissed off about not getting any points for being COY, and Reed wanting a Super Bowl Ring. Basically a lot of emotion and one team who is dangerous with a lot of emotion is Ray Lewis and the Ravens.

My Score Ravens win 14-10

Whoever wins this game wins the SB[/quote]
I certainly hope that your prediction that Cam has something up his sleeve for this game is correct. I agree that the Ravens are playing with alot of emotion and are pissed about losing the first two games to the Steelers. I think the Ravens WANT this win and I expect both the O & D to win this game as a team. GO RAVENS

[Steelerkillers]

[quote name='NC Ravens Fan' post='125200' date='Jan 10 2009, 08:45 PM']its time to let flacco do his thing
the kid can throw the ball which was shown a few times tonight
imagine if flacco was allowed to get into a rhythm throwing the ball......oh the possibilities[/quote]
I totally agree! I understand that we are a run first offense,but it would hurt to let Flacco have a lil freedom. He has proven himself over and over again and so has our receivers. If he can get a little more rhythm with passing to Heap,maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, we could really shock people. Oh, its possible. We shouldn't get careless,over-confident, or cocky on offense,but i think we are better than we are advertising.

[CTravenfan]

jesus people stop complaining...are you guys not happy that we are in the afc championship? Because that is the way it seems, why go away from what we do...run the ball. It won us the game in miami and helped in tennessee. Enjoy where we are because being in the championship game does not happen very often. STOP COMPLAINING!!!!

[TSizzle00]

Ravens are the only team in the NFL to line 4 WR on 3rd down and run the ball up the middle....

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='TSizzle00' post='127981' date='Jan 12 2009, 07:27 PM']Ravens are the only team in the NFL to line 4 WR on 3rd down and run the ball up the middle....[/quote]
Yeah. I agree with the safe draw play when its 3rd and 18 but we seem to do it a lot on 3rd and around 5 or 6. I wouldn't be complaining if it worked some of the time. It seemed to work earlier in the season but the draw play lately is getting us nowhere.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='FortheloveofRavens' post='127779' date='Jan 12 2009, 04:02 PM']J. Flacco 16/31 192 1 0 (First Game)

J. Flacc 9/13 115 0 2 (Second Game)

We know that Flacco Does Better On The Road: Road Games 231 149 64.5 1,691 7.3 70 10 5

Being in Crowded Stadiums Doesn't effect him either (quite honestly i don't think gettin hit by a truck would either): Dallas Last Game at Stadium with all the HOF's around, Ten was insanely loud, Pittsburgh already (pretty good game stats wise 16/31 192 1 0). And He's not going to hit the rookie wall (18 games into the season he's not a rookie)

He's already seen what Pitt does twice and something tells me they don't change things often

So my question is do you guys that Cam is going to let Flacco loose this game I mean we have all the makings for it:
Flacco's Familiarity with Pitt
Todd Heap has the ability to sneak behind the def. if he is allowed
Mason has good games against Pitt.
Perhaps Ray Rice who wasn't used much in the ten. was not for a reason to. Maybe to keep him fresh for this game and plenty of screens for an aggresive pitt. D
Our O-Line can handle theirs against MIA and Ten (Porter, Ferguson, Haynesworth, Van Den Bosch,) Flacco didn't sacked and even the commentators have been saying that the line doesn't get enough credit.

I think Cam has something planned thats going to stun people. The Ravens and Steelers (of Course) are evenly match and like others I'm worried about the Ravens injury but the Ravens have been playing without 3 pro bowl caliber players (Gregg, Mcalister, Landry) and countless other backups, a young QB, rookie Head Coach, young Line,
a fullback playing runningback, and a depleted DB core. We've been at a disadvantage ALL SEASON and still banged out a 13-5 record (7-3 road). The difference i think is going to come down to a pissed off defense who is tired of not finishing and being a victim of blown calls and letting the game being determined by zebras, a young QB who is eager to win a game on his own, a rookie Head Coach who secretly is pissed off about not getting any points for being COY, and Reed wanting a Super Bowl Ring. Basically a lot of emotion and one team who is dangerous with a lot of emotion is Ray Lewis and the Ravens.

My Score Ravens win 14-10

Whoever wins this game wins the SB[/quote]
I don;t think that Cam will let Joe loose this week. We are winning with his current game plan and I don;t think Cam will change it for the playoff game. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I think all Ravens fans agree that we would love to see Joe "air it out", but I don't believe it will happen this sunday. I still believe the Ravens will win this one on sunday. I agree that whoever wins this game will win the SB. No way the NFC can beat either team. Go Ravens

[YABOY]

i think they should let joe throw the ball 50 times against the #1 defense sunday & see what happens

[edreedfromtheu]

I can only hope that the playcalling has seemed vanilla or safe these past 4-5 weeks because Cam Cameran was hoping to get by without showing much, and he is saving up every single little trick in his bag for when it would get the biggest stage. So, that means... he let's it all out THIS week. That's right, I do believe that the AFC Championship game this year is a bigger game than the actual Super Bowl. Eagles and Cardinals? Please! RAVENS AND STEELERS! WOOOOOO!

Let's see the REAL offensive genuis, Cam. It's all on you baby!

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='FlaccoFlicker' post='125203' date='Jan 10 2009, 08:46 PM']like the sign in the crowd he woulda been rookie of the year[/quote]

I thought I was the only person that saw that GO JOE!

[rlh445]

[quote name='YABOY' post='128818' date='Jan 13 2009, 07:28 PM']i think they should let joe throw the ball 50 times against the #1 defense sunday & see what happens[/quote]


No one has said or suggested that, YABOY and to post a sarcastic comment suggesting that isn't very productive. We all just want to see Joe get some passes he can work with. Some slants, some screens, something to get him and the rest of the offense into a groove. Let's take the Steelers by surprise for once, instead of sitting back on our laurels and waiting for yet another stroke of Steeler luck to take us out of the game.

[BloodRaven]

We have injuries across the board (now to our best pass-rusher and corner) so playing conservatively is just going to get us burned. It's all or nothing now, we got lucky against the Titans but it work against the Steelers.

We need to take the risk and send Ryans full strength blitz packages. Break Roethlisbergers protection down inside and outside.

[YABOY]

[quote name='rlh445' post='129071' date='Jan 14 2009, 03:17 AM']No one has said or suggested that, YABOY and to post a sarcastic comment suggesting that isn't very productive. We all just want to see Joe get some passes he can work with. Some slants, some screens, something to get him and the rest of the offense into a groove. Let's take the Steelers by surprise for once, instead of sitting back on our laurels and waiting for yet another stroke of Steeler luck to take us out of the game.[/quote]
i was playing but i do understand what you are saying but he must doing something right because we are one win away from the superbowl

[SuggsNotDrugs]

The Steelers know our offense better than anyone else. The rush 1st and 2nd, pass 3rd down is typical Ravens football, has been almost our whole existence. That was Billick's game-plan, it's boring and it shows us playing "not to lose" as opposed to "playing to win."

That's why we get burned in the end because we hold them of, hold on to the narrowest point leads, and then give up one or two big plays and we're suddenly losing!

We need to try to put points up, build a lead, THEN play conservative!

We need Flacco attempting 25+, but also mixing in the run. Our RBs are hurting too, don't forget that.

We need to bring Troy Smith in on a couple downs, and instead of him handing it off or running it (which everyone expects at this point) actually letting him throw a couple passes! Dude has a beautiful throw!

Flacco can make long, accurate passes. Instead of putting it all on his shoulders when we're losing, and only letting him go for it when we NEED it to pull out a win, let him find a groove to get into! If we play conservative football, we will lose!

The only chance we have is to try and catch them off-guard. To try and actually WIN instead of just trying not to lose!

[catty112]

We need to come out swinging man. We need to be MORE balanced on offense. The Steelers know us almost as much as we know ourselves. They know our gameplan, that is why we need to mix it up. Flacco isn't a rookie anymore (rookies don't play the way he plays) so we need to start putting more responsibility on his shoulders, like all QBs do. We are HURTING on defense and they are almost completely healthy. They know we are banged up and they are going to be looking to capitilize on that.

Im not saying Joe needs to throw the ball 30-40+ times but 10-20 times a game isn't going to cut it.

Take off the training wheels!! He's ready for his first big hill!!

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='SuggsNotDrugs' post='129230' date='Jan 14 2009, 01:29 PM']The Steelers know our offense better than anyone else. The rush 1st and 2nd, pass 3rd down is typical Ravens football, has been almost our whole existence. That was Billick's game-plan, it's boring and it shows us playing "not to lose" as opposed to "playing to win."

That's why we get burned in the end because we hold them of, hold on to the narrowest point leads, and then give up one or two big plays and we're suddenly losing!

We need to try to put points up, build a lead, THEN play conservative!

We need Flacco attempting 25+, but also mixing in the run. Our RBs are hurting too, don't forget that.

We need to bring Troy Smith in on a couple downs, and instead of him handing it off or running it (which everyone expects at this point) actually letting him throw a couple passes! Dude has a beautiful throw!

Flacco can make long, accurate passes. Instead of putting it all on his shoulders when we're losing, and only letting him go for it when we NEED it to pull out a win, let him find a groove to get into! If we play conservative football, we will lose!

The only chance we have is to try and catch them off-guard. To try and actually WIN instead of just trying not to lose![/quote]

This is the smartest thing we could do this weekend! Props to you my friend. Cam should be reading this post!

[rlh445]

[quote name='YABOY' post='129217' date='Jan 14 2009, 12:06 PM']i was playing but i do understand what you are saying but he must doing something right because we are one win away from the superbowl[/quote]


Ha..he has played as well as anyone could ask him to, but to say that's only because he's doing something right just isn't correct. The fact is that we won that Titans game in spite of the game plan, definitely not because of it.