Possible 2nd round WRs - who would we choose?

[Winchester]

diggs was an excellent route runner the whole time. Injuries and the Maryland stigma were pretty much the only reason he fell. I still can't believe we passed on him so many times

Iam soooo pi$$ed about that!! Diggs was one of my 8 to 9 favorite players in the draft!!

[JoeyFlex5]

Iam soooo pi$$ed about that!! Diggs was one of my 8 to 9 favorite players in the draft!!

i was known as one of his biggest fanboys around here. When the vikes took him I must have had 5 posters call my rage before I could post about it lol

[PurpleCity5]

diggs was an excellent route runner the whole time. Injuries and the Maryland stigma were pretty much the only reason he fell. I still can't believe we passed on him so many times

I with you, I really wanted him here and I mocked him here plenty of times. Him and Lockett were guys I really liked.

[JoeyFlex5]

I with you, I really wanted him here and I mocked him here plenty of times. Him and Lockett were guys I really liked.

I wasn't that high on locket I'll admit, he was certainly refined but his hands scared me, the body catches and double catches were a concern for me. Personally I still think diggs is the better player

[RavensFanMania]

diggs was an excellent route runner the whole time. Injuries and the Maryland stigma were pretty much the only reason he fell. I still can't believe we passed on him so many times

I thought for sure we would have picked him when he was available in the 4th round.  I'm not so sure I agree with you regarding his college route running.  He definitely wasn't bad, but he needed improvement.  Diggs had a bad habit of rounding off routes.  If he came out one year later he'd be one of the top receivers available in the 2016 draft.   Obviously he didn't need the extra year in college to succeed at the NFL level.

 

Many also thought he wouldn't be relegated to the slot.  This was definitely not my opinion.  Anyway, I'm glad Diggs is having a good rookie year, I'm just sorry it's not for us. 

Edited December 27, 2015 by RavensFanMania

[January J]

I thought for sure we would have picked him when he was available in the 4th round.  I'm not so sure I agree with you regarding his college route running.  He definitely wasn't bad, but he needed improvement.  Many thought he wouldn't be relegated to the slot.  This was definitely not my opinion.  Anyway, I'm glad Diggs is having a good rookie year, I'm just sorry it's not for us.

my thoughts exactly.

[RavensFanMania]

my thoughts exactly.

It never made any sense to me.  Worst case, he would have become our returner his rookie year. 

[January J]

It never made any sense to me.  Worst case, he would have become our returner his rookie year.

exactly. Especially when he fell all the way into the mid 4th. But no we come away with tray walker and don't even play him , even after we said we were evaluating our younger guys. Makes zero sense. Also makes no sense why they IR'd several other guys but not Marlon who has missed the last 4 or 5 games.

[RavensFanMania]

exactly. Especially when he fell all the way into the mid 4th. But no we come away with tray walker and don't even play him , even after we said we were evaluating our younger guys. Makes zero sense. Also makes no sense why they IR'd several other guys but not Marlon who has missed the last 4 or 5 games.

He was drafted with the 10th pick in the 5th round!

[thieverycorporation]

Campanaro is a bum but I would bet you have pro day Perriman penciled in as a #1 or #2 receiver next year. Guy cant rehab without injuring again!! And when Campanaro does play he has shown far better than Givens. Givens is a scrub!! Castoff a team in need of Receiver talent!! Says a lot of him!! He looks far slower than he did in college or as a rookie. Campanaro may be injury prone but a bum??!! Tell that to NFL cornerbacks that were shocked how tough he is to cover when finally playing him in person. The right conditioning program he could maybe shake the injury bug.

I didn't see to many Cb's shaking in their boots when he was active. Givens struggles are partly due to bad qb play and lack of playbook knowledge. He should warrant further consideration into camp. I do believe he's a little slower as you stated. Possible bench lag. When you ride the pine for extended periods motivation and game time awareness can wane. If he doesn't show posiitive traits going forward, he will be at risk of not being resigned. I don't think Givens struggles are solely his own.

[January J]

He was drafted with the 10th pick in the 5th round!

that's right he was. Even worse. Smh

[Ravenseconbeast]

I didn't see to many Cb's shaking in their boots when he was active. Givens struggles are partly due to bad qb play and lack of playbook knowledge. He should warrant further consideration into camp. I do believe he's a little slower as you stated. Possible bench lag. When you ride the pine for extended periods motivation and game time awareness can wane. If he doesn't show posiitive traits going forward, he will be at risk of not being resigned. I don't think Givens struggles are solely his own.

His struggle on the field is not him. But let's be honest...we have too many of these 'what if' WRs that has too many question marks.

We need to trim the fat and let few of them go.

I see it as us giving them plenty of snaps to prove it on the field while they got the chance this season. BC once we have another set of higher priority WR next season, some guys like Camp/Givens has to be given the boot if they can't stay healthy/make the numbers on field.

[thieverycorporation]

His struggle on the field is not him. But let's be honest...we have too many of these 'what if' WRs that has too many question marks.

We need to trim the fat and let few of them go.

I see it as us giving them plenty of snaps to prove it on the field while they got the chance this season. BC once we have another set of higher priority WR next season, some guys like Camp/Givens has to be given the boot if they can't stay healthy/make the numbers on field.

Oh I totally agree with you.Don't get me wrong. If they don't produce going forward then yeah they need to go. I just am not convinced that Givens won't take advantage of these last few games. I truly believe that Schaub and Clausen didn't exactly fit the bill as far as getting the ball to other receivers and they locked onto certain one's, hence the resurgence of Aiken. Aiken is proving to have stepped up his game . I think putting Givens in the slot could do wonders.

Edited December 28, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[Winchester]

I wasn't that high on locket I'll admit, he was certainly refined but his hands scared me, the body catches and double catches were a concern for me. Personally I still think diggs is the better player

What really sucked about it was he really wanted to play for the ravens!! Way to go Ozzie.

[Winchester]

I thought for sure we would have picked him when he was available in the 4th round.  I'm not so sure I agree with you regarding his college route running.  He definitely wasn't bad, but he needed improvement.  Diggs had a bad habit of rounding off routes.  If he came out one year later he'd be one of the top receivers available in the 2016 draft.   Obviously he didn't need the extra year in college to succeed at the NFL level.

 

Many also thought he wouldn't be relegated to the slot.  This was definitely not my opinion.  Anyway, I'm glad Diggs is having a good rookie year, I'm just sorry it's not for us.

I really liked Diggs' game!! He was a terrific route runner!! Absolutely terrific!! It is a travesty Perriman,Devon Smith and Even Agholor was was drafted before him!! Many scouts do not know how to scout and judge route running. After the game I will elaborate on that and where I learned.

[nishadrahman13]

McCaffrey is still a true sophomore, so he isn't eligible. Too bad that we're tanking in a year without someone like that at the top :/

[jazz1988]

I really liked Diggs' game!! He was a terrific route runner!! Absolutely terrific!! It is a travesty Perriman,Devon Smith and Even Agholor was was drafted before him!! Many scouts do not know how to scout and judge route running. After the game I will elaborate on that and where I learned.

 

Too early to really tell how bad it is that Perriman, Smith and Agholor were drafted before Diggs... Diggs didn't really blow any one anyway at the combine even though his 40 time was  good. He  had health concerns since he  broke his leg in one season and then had issues with lacerated kidney in another season

 

I have no clue how his interview went with other teams before the draft and personality/character does play a role in the draft process for teams.

[nishadrahman13]

Too early to really tell how bad it is that Perriman, Smith and Agholor were drafted before Diggs... Diggs didn't really blow any one anyway at the combine even though his 40 time was good. He had health concerns since he broke his leg in one season and then had issues with lacerated kidney in another season

I have no clue how his interview went with other teams before the draft and personality/character does play a role in the draft process for teams.

I think that the injuries are really what knocked Diggs down. His talent was never in question for me.

[Mt. Crushmore]

Ok guys I hate jumping on hype trains... But I'm seeing Corey Davis pop up more and more, haven't heard of him till recently, and this kid looks special so far, is there any knocks on him besides level of competition?

 

Davis is staying at Western Michigan for his senior year

 

Why not? It's entirely possible. I wouldn't take Robinson in the 2nd round, though. That's too early IMO. 

 

Especially with all the off-the-field concerns. That has day 3 written all over it.

[JoeyFlex5]

What's everyone's opinion on Michael Thomas? Took me a while to warm up to him But now that I have I really like him, he may actually be my number one wr, he is very well rounded, big, hard nosed, great hands, solid refinement, certainly athletic enough even though he's not a jaw dropper, I think he compares favorably to jordy Nelson, good size and athleticism and works every part of the field with consistency and toughness

[thieverycorporation]

What's everyone's opinion on Michael Thomas? Took me a while to warm up to him But now that I have I really like him, he may actually be my number one wr, he is very well rounded, big, hard nosed, great hands, solid refinement, certainly athletic enough even though he's not a jaw dropper, I think he compares favorably to jordy Nelson, good size and athleticism and works every part of the field with consistency and toughness

The tape is misleading I guess but just seems like he's a boom or bust. Someone that really stands out in terms of can't miss isn't obvious but to those whom have seen his film and games may think differently. I just can't imagine not taking a dude like Shepard because he seems to have all the qualities to succeed in terms of schemes, position, routes, savvy, IQ (Football), work ethic, hands , speed, body control and separating from dbs. I haven't seen much film and no games to really or honestly comment on your boy. If he's that good I'm all for it.

[JoeyFlex5]

The tape is misleading I guess but just seems like he's a boom or bust. Someone that really stands out in terms of can't miss isn't obvious but to those whom have seen his film and games may think differently. I just can't imagine not taking a dude like Shepard because he seems to have all the qualities to succeed in terms of schemes, position, routes, savvy, IQ (Football), work ethic, hands , speed, body control and separating from dbs. I haven't seen much film and no games to really or honestly comment on your boy. If he's that good I'm all for it.

the thing is though he was in a very balanced osu offense so his numbers are misleading, and his tape isn't bad, he just doesn't pop out, but I still like his Game quite a bit, being big, tough, with decent enough routes and athleticism, I just can't understand why he has produced such pedestrian numbers with his skill set.

[Inqui]

What's everyone's opinion on Michael Thomas? Took me a while to warm up to him But now that I have I really like him, he may actually be my number one wr, he is very well rounded, big, hard nosed, great hands, solid refinement, certainly athletic enough even though he's not a jaw dropper, I think he compares favorably to jordy Nelson, good size and athleticism and works every part of the field with consistency and toughness

So you're saying that's how we make Joe better than Rodgers?

[JoeyFlex5]

So you're saying that's how we make Joe better than Rodgers?

impossible, he's an overpaid bum remember?

[thieverycorporation]

the thing is though he was in a very balanced osu offense so his numbers are misleading, and his tape isn't bad, he just doesn't pop out, but I still like his Game quite a bit, being big, tough, with decent enough routes and athleticism, I just can't understand why he has produced such pedestrian numbers with his skill set.

I'll go look at him again. 

[thieverycorporation]

the thing is though he was in a very balanced osu offense so his numbers are misleading, and his tape isn't bad, he just doesn't pop out, but I still like his Game quite a bit, being big, tough, with decent enough routes and athleticism, I just can't understand why he has produced such pedestrian numbers with his skill set.

I will say he looks slow to me. IF so he would be a Marlon Brown. I think what is lacking only, is a shorter shifty stype with speed/\.  The short dudes that can hit holes quick and take sharpe angles for yac. I like the big dudes but I'm impressed with the aforementioned. We had Ray Rice for that and that dimension is the Missing piece. Thats why I'm going back to the tape.  If Perriman, Smith, Givens, Brown, Waller, Aiken, Butler and draft pick of quality and any other cut candidate hits this squad it would be all war for a spot. I'm dismissing Campanaro as a camp injury lol.  I will say definitively that a Boyd/Shepard/Caroo, Smith in sequestered time, Perriman Healthy and learning, Aiken hungry to be #1/2 maybe in rotation, Givens with the ability to learn the playbook, Brown adjusting mentoring and route improvement, Brown's aggressions in blocking and receiving is a versatile combo to throw at any squad. Man the fans would astounded if they just put a package that we both appreciate in similarities. The runningback equation hasn't even been discussed. The tightends.

[JoeyFlex5]

I will say he looks slow to me. IF so he would be a Marlon Brown. I think what is lacking only, is a shorter shifty stype with speed/\. The short dudes that can hit holes quick and take sharpe angles for yac. I like the big dudes but I'm impressed with the aforementioned. We had Ray Rice for that and that dimension is the Missing piece. Thats why I'm going back to the tape. If Perriman, Smith, Givens, Brown, Waller, Aiken, Butler and draft pick of quality and any other cut candidate hits this squad it would be all war for a spot. I'm dismissing Campanaro as a camp injury lol. I will say definitively that a Boyd/Shepard/Caroo, Smith in sequestered time, Perriman Healthy and learning, Aiken hungry to be #1/2 maybe in rotation, Givens with the ability to learn the playbook, Brown adjusting mentoring and route improvement, Brown's aggressions in blocking and receiving is a versatile combo to throw at any squad. Man the fans would astounded if they just put a package that we both appreciate in similarities. The runningback equation hasn't even been discussed. The tightends.

Thomas isn't the fastest guy, but he still has those tight clean cuts that he does at high speed with a big body, I'm not big on jump ball guys, never really have been, but I will never under value the guys that can get open pretty regularly with strong routes and can play big and box out in The event that they can't separate. there are slot guys who are shifty and can get open, there are big guys who can make catches without separation, and there are #1 receivers, those are the guys that can do both, those are the guys I like. I also see Boyd in that same mold and the difference between the 2 is basically sacrificing a bit of physicality by taking Boyd, or sacrificing a bit of shiftiness with Thomas, I don't think you can go wrong either way though, they're my 1a and 1b with treadwell taking a close 2nd.

[RaineV1]

Thomas is the same style of receiver as Boldin. He wins by being quick rather than fast, and his ability to reach up for the ball and pull it away from defenders. I don't know if he'll be as good as Boldin was in his prime, but he'll have the same play style.

 

Also, I wouldn't even begin to compare him to Marlon Brown. Thomas doesn't get alligator arms around defenders. He's a far more aggressive receiver.

Edited January 1, 2016 by RaineV1

[JoeyFlex5]

Thomas is the same style of receiver as Boldin. He wins by being quick rather than fast, and his ability to reach up for the ball and pull it away from defenders. I don't know if he'll be as good as Boldin was in his prime, but he'll have the same play style.

Also, I wouldn't even begin to compare him to Marlon Brown. Thomas doesn't get alligator arms around defenders. He's a far more aggressive receiver.

thank you for that second paragraph. People used to scoff at my hatred for Marlon Brown and couldn't understand it... That is why lol.

And yeah I think boldin is a decent comparison but I think he has higher ceiling athletically, it will be hard for him to do whay boldin has done but the potential is there. I think plaxico burress is another solid comparison, I think thomas' deep game could be on par with his

[BSHU_Miami]

that's right he was. Even worse. Smh

just to throw more salt in the wounds, Brandom Marshall got traded for a 5th and our 5 th round pick didn't make the team