Possible 2nd round WRs - who would we choose?

[GrimCoconut]

This is an awful year for WR's Treadwell's the only one that I think would have an immediate impact on teams.

You don't like Boyd? Didn't you say how you liked Boyd even better than Treadwell, or was that someone else?

 

Edit: 

Yeah, you did like Boyd a lot. Even said he was the best. I didn't comb through all the threads, but here we go:

 

Got back to watch Tyler Boyd, he's the best WR in the draft. Best since Odell.

Where's the defender? That catch means NOTHING if it wasn't in an actual game. Aiken can probably Do that if there's no one covering him.

Tyler Boyd is the MAN. He's gonna be great

 

You seem to flip-flop a lot between prospects. I don't blame you, but be careful about these exaggerated examples to claim how much you like a prospect unless you want to stick with it. 

Edited November 26, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Cillmatic]

You don't like Boyd? Didn't you say how you liked Boyd even better than Treadwell, or was that someone else?

Edit:

Yeah, you did like Boyd a lot. Even said he was the best. I didn't comb through all the threads, but here we go:

You seem to flip-flop a lot between prospects. I don't blame you, but be careful about these exaggerated examples to claim how much you like a prospect unless you want to stick with it.

I switched on his immediate impact, he won't be an immediate impact. He eventually will. Unlike Treadwell. I've flip flopped a lot but not much on WR.

My Odell comparison was pure insanity though.

Edited November 26, 2015 by Cillmatic

[GrimCoconut]

I switched on his immediate impact, he won't be an immediate impact. He eventually will. Unlike Treadwell. I've flip flopped a lot but not much on WR.

My Odell comparison was pure insanity though.

Okay. I hope I didn't come across as a jerk. That wasn't my intent here. I just want to make sure you see that Boyd is a good prospect in his own right, but it sounds like that isn't an issue.

I've flip flopped myself, for the record. Lol that's why I haven't gone all in yet on a guy. I've been burned recently in that regard.

[thieverycorporation]

This is an awful year for WR's Treadwell's the only one that I think would have an immediate impact on teams.

I think your very wrong. But that also depends on what you derive as a impactful receiver. I think several of the upcoming class could be excellent slot receivers if nothing else. Boyd, Shepard come to mind. They seem capable of big plays because they have speed and elusiveness. If nothing else they project (to me at least) as consistent chain movers. If you add the right component at running back then they would be very effective. Teams won't be able to consistently stack that box. A running back that is multi faceted would be a match up nightmare. 

Edited November 26, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Tyler boyd isn't overly fast, Seperation issues and has off the field issues no thanls. I'm not familair with this draft class (WR wise anyway) cause I scout after the season (though might start early cause schaub...) ANYWAY. Good traits to look for in a reciever is a guy who runs good routes (DUH but this is usually forgotten about if he's fast) Blocks for his teammates, Runs his route even if he know's he's not the primary reciever. Makes 3rd down catches, has YAC ability, Big hands.

Boyd has huge hands, good YAC ability, is an ideal possession receiver, blocks for a run first team, is the best route runner in the draft and creates separation regularly. But he isn't overly fast.

[thieverycorporation]

Boyd has huge hands, good YAC ability, is an ideal possession receiver, blocks for a run first team, is the best route runner in the draft and creates separation regularly. But he isn't overly fast.

Point taken but he has something going for him. I think it's plausible that his route running trumps the top end speed. A lot of receivers aren't overly fast. I think he be successful regardless of a top end speed deficiency. Receivers are caught from behind on a regular. It's a none issue for me currently.

[Xmadraven]

Ok normally I'd just respond to every quote but I don't feel like doing every single one so I'll do it all in one big summary.

 

When I watch Boyd (I've said I'm not really up to date on the entire WR Class but I've watched boyd for about 6-7 games so my analysis isn't 100%) I'm not saying this to get a riot out of anyone joey...I barely post here so why bother? I compared boyd to benjamin because I see a similair type of reciever, Boyd's route running isn't THAT good. He's better than benjamin for sure and a better athlete but I just see a lot of benjamin in his tape. Recievers DO beat double teams (Good ones anyway) let's set the bar high shall we? At best tyler boyd is keenan allen at worst he's kelvin benjamin (Though whether he does anywhere near that good is yet to be determined let's just assume he's similair to those prospects) He has issues that will knock him down the draft board, Off the field issues, Ok-ish to sloppy route running, Not overly fast. (Probaly will do a 4.6 40 time if his technique isn't that good) I just don't like boyd when I watch the tape I see stuff I don't like (Sloppy route running etc. Not getting the sepertation he should in college agaisnt bad oppenets) Shrug. 

 

One DUI inicident usually is indcative of stupid decision making (though many players do this and don't get caught I take charecter concerns seriously because he's stupid enough to put himself in that situation to begin with) It's a grade down for me. 

[January J]

Ok normally I'd just respond to every quote but I don't feel like doing every single one so I'll do it all in one big summary.

 

When I watch Boyd (I've said I'm not really up to date on the entire WR Class but I've watched boyd for about 6-7 games so my analysis isn't 100%) I'm not saying this to get a riot out of anyone joey...I barely post here so why bother? I compared boyd to benjamin because I see a similair type of reciever, Boyd's route running isn't THAT good. He's better than benjamin for sure and a better athlete but I just see a lot of benjamin in his tape. Recievers DO beat double teams (Good ones anyway) let's set the bar high shall we? At best tyler boyd is keenan allen at worst he's kelvin benjamin (Though whether he does anywhere near that good is yet to be determined let's just assume he's similair to those prospects) He has issues that will knock him down the draft board, Off the field issues, Ok-ish to sloppy route running, Not overly fast. (Probaly will do a 4.6 40 time if his technique isn't that good) I just don't like boyd when I watch the tape I see stuff I don't like (Sloppy route running etc. Not getting the sepertation he should in college agaisnt bad oppenets) Shrug. 

 

One DUI inicident usually is indcative of stupid decision making (though many players do this and don't get caught I take charecter concerns seriously because he's stupid enough to put himself in that situation to begin with) It's a grade down for me.

everybody views things differently but Im pretty sure your evaluation is a little off.

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Point taken but he has something going for him. I think it's plausible that his route running trumps the top end speed. A lot of receivers aren't overly fast. I think he be successful regardless of a top end speed deficiency. Receivers are caught from behind on a regular. It's a none issue for me currently.

I agree completely.

[52520Andrew]

Comparing Boyd's route running to that of Benjamin is like comparing Flacco's arm strength to Peyton Manning's right now. Better yet, Kelvin Benjamin actually had a good rookie year with Carolina and I'd take a worst case scenario of him any day of the week in the second round.

[JoeyFlex5]

that is a completely wrong anlaysis, i mean you are way off in every single aspect... i dont even need to get into specifics because you can literally debunk that analysis by saying "take every bullet point, and make it the exact opposite" and that would be more accurate than that. the only places you were even close were when you stated a true fact that he got a DUI and your estimation on his 40 time, and even that was an extreme exaggeration, you got right that he isnt a top speed type of guy, but 4.6 is anquan boldin speed, boyd is nowhere near that, and wearing nothing but under armour he very well could break into the 4.4 range and plays at a 4.5ish speed with his quick and fluid breaks and solid acceleration. im not trying to beat on you here but man i dont think ive ever seen an analysis on a prospect this far off.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Clemson Jayron Kearse would be my favorite 2nd rd choice for now.

[thieverycorporation]

Comparing Boyd's route running to that of Benjamin is like comparing Flacco's arm strength to Peyton Manning's right now. Better yet, Kelvin Benjamin actually had a good rookie year with Carolina and I'd take a worst case scenario of him any day of the week in the second round.

I had to up tick your post. I agree.

[thieverycorporation]

Clemson Jayron Kearse would be my favorite 2nd rd choice for now.

Why so ?

[PurpleCity5]

Clemson Jayron Kearse would be my favorite 2nd rd choice for now.

He's on my list of guys to watch. It feels like every day there is a new safety out there in this draft. This class of safeties is completely stacked.

[thieverycorporation]

He's on my list of guys to watch. It feels like every day there is a new safety out there in this draft. This class of safeties is completely stacked.

So can you see the ravens passing on Ramsey?

[Ravenseconbeast]

Why so ?

He is a freak of nature and has alot of upside. He reminds me a little bit of Richard Sherman. He knows how to use his teammates around him. Something our past draft failure doesn't seem to interpret/understand how to do.

[Ravenseconbeast]

So can you see the ravens passing on Ramsey?

It's possible, he might not fit the bill to be BPA @our draft spot

[Cillmatic]

WATCH THE FLORIDA FSU game, it's on now.

[PurpleCity5]

WATCH THE FLORIDA FSU game, it's on now.

I am. 

[thieverycorporation]

It's possible, he might not fit the bill to be BPA @our draft spot

Gotcha and agreed upon. 

[Maryland]

Well for those who were considering Florida's DeMarcus Robinson, he was just suspended for the 4th time in 3 seasons. Didn't say why. 

 

I'd still take his dumb butt in one of the last rounds of the draft though, as long as it's not anything violent. 

[Inqui]

Well for those who were considering Florida's DeMarcus Robinson, he was just suspended for the 4th time in 3 seasons. Didn't say why. 

 

I'd still take his dumb butt in one of the last rounds of the draft though, as long as it's not anything violent. 

Depends on what he's been getting suspended for. If it's anything illegal or something that could get him suspended in the NFL then that's obviously a tread with caution kinda thing where he may be worth a late-round pick but I wouldn't be crying myself to sleep if we let him head to the 49ers or Lions.

 

On the other hand, if it's one of those NCAA "violations" like cashing in on a $10 bet with a friend or wearing a pair of sneakers from a non-sponsor to a Gators event then I hope we give him a generous signing bonus.

[JoeyFlex5]

i never thought much of robinson anyway. hopefully that took him off our board in the 2nd round so i dont have to worry about us taking him

[RaineV1]

I'd take Demarcus Robinson if he fell to the fourth round, maybe the third if his suspensions are over minor rules.

[cushrinada1986]

any of these guys could be gone late round 1, but then again all 3 of them could still be there. boyd is being very often projected as an early-mid 2nd rounder while treadwell and doctson are getting first round projections. 

 

even michael thomas has been projected in the first round more than boyd as of late

There's always Sterling Shepperd. Wanna talk about a guy who can get separation. Would make a great compliment to Perrimen as a #2 right next to him.

[thieverycorporation]

There's always Sterling Shepperd. Wanna talk about a guy who can get separation. Would make a great compliment to Perrimen as a #2 right next to him.

He'd be our Wes Welker, edelman, A. Brown, E. Sanders type and 1000% agree. If he's there in the late 2nd early 3rd I'd jump up and snag him. We have options for the third currently on the team thus far. Butler and Givens seem to have reliable hands. Aiken is waking up late. Smith could be stop gap if he returns. But if they double dip in the draft it would be much more beneficial and provide a greater depth then just coming into training camp with the same cast of characters they trotted out before. Campanaro is waste because he can't stay healthy or be relied upon consistently.

I think a combo of Perriman (fingers crossed), Sheppard, Butler, Givens, Aiken and SSsr (if he returns) would be a nice mixture of talent. With possible late round project. Pass Rusher and CB rank higher on my list of BPA needs in the current projections of talent entering via draft ratings in the early rounds.

Edited December 4, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[GrimCoconut]

Sterling is a really good WR. I'd love him here. He's like a poor man's Tyler Boyd. Lazy comparison, probably, but I'm talking about a possession WR who could run routes and get open and make some nice catches who's not necessarily the fastest but isn't slow.

[Winchester]

that is a completely wrong anlaysis, i mean you are way off in every single aspect... i dont even need to get into specifics because you can literally debunk that analysis by saying "take every bullet point, and make it the exact opposite" and that would be more accurate than that. the only places you were even close were when you stated a true fact that he got a DUI and your estimation on his 40 time, and even that was an extreme exaggeration, you got right that he isnt a top speed type of guy, but 4.6 is anquan boldin speed, boyd is nowhere near that, and wearing nothing but under armour he very well could break into the 4.4 range and plays at a 4.5ish speed with his quick and fluid breaks and solid acceleration. im not trying to beat on you here but man i dont think ive ever seen an analysis on a prospect this far off.

You both make good points. However 4.6 is kind of harsh. He has probably seen Boyd look slow to get open. But than can very well be attributed to him not being confident his qb can find him if he runs particular routes at full speed especially with particular coverage schemes. When you watch Boyd full speed you have to think 4.5 that plays very fast similar to Keenan Allen and Deandre Hopkins. To appreciate Boyd you likely need to see him play with an nfl established pocket QB.

[cushrinada1986]

He'd be our Wes Welker, edelman, A. Brown, E. Sanders type and 1000% agree. If he's there in the late 2nd early 3rd I'd jump up and snag him. We have options for the third currently on the team thus far. Butler and Givens seem to have reliable hands. Aiken is waking up late. Smith could be stop gap if he returns. But if they double dip in the draft it would be much more beneficial and provide a greater depth then just coming into training camp with the same cast of characters they trotted out before. Campanaro is waste because he can't stay healthy or be relied upon consistently.

I think a combo of Perriman (fingers crossed), Sheppard, Butler, Givens, Aiken and SSsr (if he returns) would be a nice mixture of talent. With possible late round project. Pass Rusher and CB rank higher on my list of BPA needs in the current projections of talent entering via draft ratings in the early rounds.

He could split time with Givens as #2 and Aiken could play #3 along with Camp. Waller would be our redzone guy. Marlon has to go!