Jimmy or Webby?

[January J]

I think most of us can agree that will hill has had the best year so far out of those in our secondary..

But between Jimmy smith or Ladarius Webb, who outperformed who? I threw in Arrington for the hell of it- but I think it's safe to say he wont get many votes.

I think if we're talking expectations - jimmy has been somewhat of a disappointment. He's had his moments but Obviously the hopes were he would become a shutdown corner and he has been far from it. I think the expectations of Webb were that he was done and he would never return to top form- but I think all in all he has done a decent job. I would actually say that Webb has outperformed Jimmy this year. Not sure what the pff grades say, but that's what my eye test tells me. Now you can debate whether Jimmy is fully healthy after the lisfranic ( sp?) but IMO once you put that jersey on you can't use that as an excuse. Thoughts?

Edited November 19, 2015 by January J

[GrimCoconut]

If we're going off expectations then Jimmy Smith disappointed more. I think both performed the same but Jimmy has consistently played against the tougher matchup than Webb. Webb works best in the slot.

Jimmy looks like he doesn't trust himself yet. I think he's playing cautious. Call that an excuse if you want but I've seen evidence suggesting it's true. For instance, against the Jaguars he essentially ran into the guy and caused a DPI, and while it looks like he just had terrible technique, he noticeably slowed down before contact as if to protect himself.

Edited November 19, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Ravens4Real]

Webb has outplayed Jimmy, so far, this season.

[Purple_City39]

Webb's played better.  Add in that Webb isn't expected to be more than a #2 CB vs Jimmy who's expected to play at #1 levels, so Webb's played much better with expectations included 

[rmw10]

Going to use this thread to give some props to Shareece Wright. Aside from that brutal first game here, he's been a solid contributor. It's a good thing when you don't hear his name much.

[PurpleCity5]

Def. Jimmy. Expected a lot after that first game in Denver. I thought the foot problems were passed him but it is what it is. I just hope he can get back to 100%, and I agree, Wright hasn't been bad lately. I haven't noticed him so thats a good thing.

[January J]

Im sure the foot isn't helping things- but like SSS said... Once you accept that jersey you are healthy enough to play and your expected to perform. I just wish Davis was still in the equation. Small sample size but Boy did he show some promise. Can't wait to see how things unfold next year. My ideal secondary would be 1)Jimmy. 2) Hargreaves 3) Davis/ Arrington w/ Webby and hill on the back end. I think that would eliminate the issues we've been having. Add in a pass rusher and get Suggs healthy and we should be right back to having a dominate defense.

Edited November 19, 2015 by January J

[jimmypowder]

They both have stunk. Who has played better ? Hard to say . Maybe Webb but Jimmy covers the best receivers. 

 

So it's a push imo.   They have been terrible. 

Edited November 19, 2015 by jimmypowder

[Tru11]

besides the slot webb also lines up on the left side of the defense which is the harder position of the 2 outside positions due to most QBs being right handed.

 

think he played much better then last season and overall was our best corner so far...

[GhostofGrbac]

Jimmy might be "healthy" enough to play, but there's no doubt that he's not 100% recovered from the lisfranc injury. He may never be 100%. That's an injury that has ended careers.

 

With that said Webb has played better, but that's not saying much. They've both struggled. I think Pees definitely shares some of the blame for their struggles.

[Purple_City39]

besides the slot webb also lines up on the left side of the defense which is the harder position of the 2 outside positions due to most QBs being right handed.

 

think he played much better then last season and overall was our best corner so far...

I keep seeing people thinking Jimmy just shadows a WR as opposed to spending 80% of his time, minimum, on the QBs left side.  

It's been a long time since a Ravens CB has not spent most of his time on one side outside of coming in after an injury.  Even last year with Webb out to start the season, Jimmy stayed at the RCB position mostly and Chykie Brown/Asa Jackson played more LCB

[tcamp15]

Jimmy still has been better than Webb, but our expectations for Jimmy were just so much higher than for webb. Webb has been bad and still thats a pleasent suprise which should tell us all what we need to know about Webb at the current moment.

[Static]

I vote Will Davis

[izvoodoo]

I vote Will Davis

God, this season man.

 

i think Jimmy is our most talented DB, but Lisfranc is a nasty nasty injury, and a hard one to come back from.  Hopefully we can get our secondary issues worked out.  

[BmoreBird22]

I keep seeing people thinking Jimmy just shadows a WR as opposed to spending 80% of his time, minimum, on the QBs left side.  

It's been a long time since a Ravens CB has not spent most of his time on one side outside of coming in after an injury.  Even last year with Webb out to start the season, Jimmy stayed at the RCB position mostly and Chykie Brown/Asa Jackson played more LCB

To be fair, he does move around a good bit during games.

[RLewis52]

The fact that the are trying to switch Webb to a different position(which im all for, and suggest it a week ago) tells you who has been better this year up to this point. But saying which player is doing a better job then the other is saying the lesser of two evils pretty much.

[JoeyFlex5]

webb was shaky at the very beginning but he has been playing VERY well this year, i am extremely impressed, and i am liking the talk of moving him to safety because as good as hes played, its still obvious he has lost a step and that he is a fragile player, if they commit to moving him to FS he can preserve his knees better by not forcing quick shifting cuts on every snap and he has every attribute you want in a FS aside from size. im happy either way as long as hes playing as well as he is and not getting hurt.

 

jimmy, i think his declined performance can be directly attributed to the lisfranc, he has struggled to make sharp cuts with wr's, he has struggled to turn his hips and explode downfield, this in turn has led to a huge decline in his aggressive style, all things that can be directly caused by the infamous "following season" effect of a lisfranc surgery. this injury always causes a decline in the next year but players tend to get back to their old selves after a year. 

 

regardless of how they look for next year, both FS and CB need to be addressed in a major way, but with webb looking much better and good reason to have faith in jimmys future, this brings up the question... do we need to address our pass rush or our secondary more?

[ravefan52]

Talking about Arrington, I don't know why we signed him if we didn't plan on using him in the slot. He was good there in NE and routinely got exposed when forced to play to the outside. He played inside a little bit here, but I feel like he was on the outside way too much. So big surprise when that happened he got beat and now he's been benched.

[JoeyFlex5]

The fact that the are trying to switch Webb to a different position(which im all for, and suggest it a week ago) tells you who has been better this year up to this point. But saying which player is doing a better job then the other is saying the lesser of two evils pretty much.

absolutely untrue. many cb's have switched to safety late in their careers, especially those with lower extremity injuries, it allows them to contribute at a high level while also preserving their knees and ankles at older ages. 

 

also, webb has the skillset to play FS, jimmy not so much, and FS just happens to be a much weaker position on this team than cb, we are desperate for a change at FS and webb is the obvious candidate there, it has nothing to do with his current performance, which has been pretty good for the most part

[ravefan52]

Going to use this thread to give some props to Shareece Wright. Aside from that brutal first game here, he's been a solid contributor. It's a good thing when you don't hear his name much.

Agreed. Harbaugh should give him some credit too, especially after he called Wright out for playing bad right after he was signed off the streets, while not blaming others. I remember you were annoyed with that.

[GrimCoconut]

Talking about Arrington, I don't know why we signed him if we didn't plan on using him in the slot. He was good there in NE and routinely got exposed when forced to play to the outside. He played inside a little bit here, but I feel like he was on the outside way too much. So big surprise when that happened he got beat and now he's been benched.

I think it's due to Webb who for a while played more slot than Arrington. It's a numbers game and we probably liked Webb better in the slot.

[ravefan52]

I think it's due to Webb who for a while played more slot than Arrington. It's a numbers game and we probably liked Webb better in the slot.

Ya I get that. But if we liked Webb in the slot then we shouldn't have signed Arrington for $7 million. Also when we did sign him we should have known after 6 seasons where we wanted Webb to play.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Doesn't exactly matter...they are paid to be elite secondary and play like garbage.    All of them, including kendrick/arrington

[GrimCoconut]

Ya I get that. But if we liked Webb in the slot then we shouldn't have signed Arrington for $7 million. Also when we did sign him we should have known after 6 seasons where we wanted Webb to play.

I think they got caught up in hope, a common etiology of this year's failures. I think we hoped Webb would stay healthy and be a capable #2 CB on the outside so Arrington could play the slot and some safety.

[JoeyFlex5]

lol @ someone voting for arrington

[ellicottraven]

Is this a trick poll? Jimmy has disappointed more because more was expected from him. As for Arrington, he hasn't shown much and Webby has played poorly but much wasn't expected from him. So, with this in mind, who do I vote for?

[January J]

Is this a trick poll? Jimmy has disappointed more because more was expected from him. As for Arrington, he hasn't shown much and Webby has played poorly but much wasn't expected from him. So, with this in mind, who do I vote for?

simply vote for who has played the best out of the 3- expectations aside. I don't think Webb has played poorly at all. He hasn't been spectacular but I think he's actually been pretty solid all things considered.

[GrimCoconut]

Speaking of Webb, apparently he doesn't want to be a safety permanently. 

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I'll bet I know who BmoreBird22 voted for! lol    

[K-Dog]

Speaking of Webb, apparently he doesn't want to be a safety permanently.

Yet...