What's the plan with the TE's?

[Winchester]

Your body doesn't fully develop until you are 25 meaning you haven't completely shed all of your baby fat nor have your muscles fully developed. I don't know where you got your degree, but you should probably return it and get your money back.

You should learn to read. I invite you to stop by one of my gyms. I will get you a guest membership and tell everybody else who trains that at 21 a male is shedding babyfat. 25 is where you need to begin cleaning up your diet along with the training to stay lean!! I said at 21 you are leaner than you will ever be!! I have NEVER seen anybody naturally leaner at 25 than 21. Although even at 25 a person is still pretty lean with a healthy metabolism, it is when it begins to slow. Yes your muscles are still developing and a guy is naturally stronger at 25 but definitely not leaner!! Unless he is actually working at being leaner of course. I was leaner at 25 only because at 21 I was not working nearly as hard at it!! So he is not developed as far as power is the focus. But his soft fleshy physique will not get any leaner with age!! Unless he works at it of course. BTW I think I actually paid him a compliment!! He is very athletic for his fleshy physique. Because if he does get in shape he will be far stronger and faster!! And that coupled with his natural athleticism should make him a top5 TE or better!! If he simply dumped 20 lbs of speed draining fat and replaced it with 20 lbs of muscle he would run in the 4.55-4.65 range and would be a top10 pick type TE.

[52liveforever]

You should learn to read. I invite you to stop by one of my gyms. I will get you a guest membership and tell everybody else who trains that at 21 a male is shedding babyfat. 25 is where you need to begin cleaning up your diet along with the training to stay lean!! I said at 21 you are leaner than you will ever be!! I have NEVER seen anybody naturally leaner at 25 than 21. Although even at 25 a person is still pretty lean with a healthy metabolism, it is when it begins to slow. Yes your muscles are still developing and a guy is naturally stronger at 25 but definitely not leaner!! Unless he is actually working at being leaner of course. I was leaner at 25 only because at 21 I was not working nearly as hard at it!! So he is not developed as far as power is the focus. But his soft fleshy physique will not get any leaner with age!! Unless he works at it of course. BTW I think I actually paid him a compliment!! He is very athletic for his fleshy physique. Because if he does get in shape he will be far stronger and faster!! And that coupled with his natural athleticism should make him a top5 TE or better!! If he simply dumped 20 lbs of speed draining fat and replaced it with 20 lbs of muscle he would run in the 4.55-4.65 range and would be a top10 pick type TE.

So we agree if he keeps training in a few years he will be improved. Something you have to keep in mind is not everyone's genes are the same. If you compare him to his dad at the same age, he is much leaner. Those are his genes he's got big boy genes in him and could probably easily weigh way more if he didn't work hard.

[52liveforever]

You should learn to read. I invite you to stop by one of my gyms. I will get you a guest membership and tell everybody else who trains that at 21 a male is shedding babyfat. 25 is where you need to begin cleaning up your diet along with the training to stay lean!! I said at 21 you are leaner than you will ever be!! I have NEVER seen anybody naturally leaner at 25 than 21. Although even at 25 a person is still pretty lean with a healthy metabolism, it is when it begins to slow. Yes your muscles are still developing and a guy is naturally stronger at 25 but definitely not leaner!! Unless he is actually working at being leaner of course. I was leaner at 25 only because at 21 I was not working nearly as hard at it!! So he is not developed as far as power is the focus. But his soft fleshy physique will not get any leaner with age!! Unless he works at it of course. BTW I think I actually paid him a compliment!! He is very athletic for his fleshy physique. Because if he does get in shape he will be far stronger and faster!! And that coupled with his natural athleticism should make him a top5 TE or better!! If he simply dumped 20 lbs of speed draining fat and replaced it with 20 lbs of muscle he would run in the 4.55-4.65 range and would be a top10 pick type TE.

So we agree if he keeps training in a few years he will be improved. Something you have to keep in mind is not everyone's genes are the same. If you compare him to his dad at the same age, he is much leaner. Those are his genes he's got big boy genes in him and could probably easily weigh way more if he didn't work hard.

[Winchester]

So we agree if he keeps training in a few years he will be improved. Something you have to keep in mind is not everyone's genes are the same. If you compare him to his dad at the same age, he is much leaner. Those are his genes he's got big boy genes in him and could probably easily weigh way more if he didn't work hard.

That is what I been trying to say. It is not a knock on him. It is a compliment that he is athletic before being in his best shape. He realizes it is competitive in the NFL and he needs to work harder in the NFL. Once he adds muscle and loses some fat he will be that much better and an elite TE.

[52liveforever]

That is what I been trying to say. It is not a knock on him. It is a compliment that he is athletic before being in his best shape. He realizes it is competitive in the NFL and he needs to work harder in the NFL. Once he adds muscle and loses some fat he will be that much better and an elite TE.

Yes, well now you and the rest of us are finally on the same page.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

You should learn to read. I invite you to stop by one of my gyms. I will get you a guest membership and tell everybody else who trains that at 21 a male is shedding babyfat. 25 is where you need to begin cleaning up your diet along with the training to stay lean!! I said at 21 you are leaner than you will ever be!! I have NEVER seen anybody naturally leaner at 25 than 21. Although even at 25 a person is still pretty lean with a healthy metabolism, it is when it begins to slow. Yes your muscles are still developing and a guy is naturally stronger at 25 but definitely not leaner!! Unless he is actually working at being leaner of course. I was leaner at 25 only because at 21 I was not working nearly as hard at it!! So he is not developed as far as power is the focus. But his soft fleshy physique will not get any leaner with age!! Unless he works at it of course. BTW I think I actually paid him a compliment!! He is very athletic for his fleshy physique. Because if he does get in shape he will be far stronger and faster!! And that coupled with his natural athleticism should make him a top5 TE or better!! If he simply dumped 20 lbs of speed draining fat and replaced it with 20 lbs of muscle he would run in the 4.55-4.65 range and would be a top10 pick type TE.

1. I know it's directed at someone else. But I'll keep paying my personal trainer so I can remain in fighting shape! Thanks though! I appreciate the offer but I've got this myself. Live in Cali anyway.

2. Maxx can run circles around you and out bench you probably. It's fine. He can do the same for me(I'm a combat sport guy. Not my thing. I'm more about quickness). So yeah. Body fat or not. My point with the DT or LB thing is that those guys are in shape and have good endurance usually. Could he cut down on some body fat? Sure. But it honestly wouldn't be as hard. He'd be stuck in an NFL weight room in an NFL training regimen. And he honestly already seems like a hard worker. You may have a better looking body. But Maxx is in better physical shape.

3. Even my personal trainer agrees with me on the subject matter. Maxx trains for raw strength. Something he already has. He already has good speed for a TE(you don't need to be Vernon Davis). That guy has a bachelors in kinseology. And aside from being that is also my physical therapist(needless to say I pay the man a lot of money), so he knows how the body works pretty well.

4. He doesn't look fat NOW even. He looks like he's in shape.

So again.

[Static]

1. I know it's directed at someone else. But I'll keep paying my personal trainer so I can remain in fighting shape! Thanks though! I appreciate the offer but I've got this myself. Live in Cali anyway.

2. Maxx can run circles around you and out bench you probably. It's fine. He can do the same for me(I'm a combat sport guy. Not my thing. I'm more about quickness). So yeah. Body fat or not. My point with the DT or LB thing is that those guys are in shape and have good endurance usually. Could he cut down on some body fat? Sure. But it honestly wouldn't be as hard. He'd be stuck in an NFL weight room in an NFL training regimen. And he honestly already seems like a hard worker. You may have a better looking body. But Maxx is in better physical shape.

3. Even my personal trainer agrees with me on the subject matter. Maxx trains for raw strength. Something he already has. He already has good speed for a TE(you don't need to be Vernon Davis). That guy has a bachelors in kinseology. And aside from being that is also my physical therapist(needless to say I pay the man a lot of money), so he knows how the body works pretty well.

4. He doesn't look fat NOW even. He looks like he's in shape.

So again.

 

 

Yeah and my accountant , who I pay a lot of money to because im very rich says Maxx Williams is in great shape, and that guy went to Harvard( Although i'm a Yale guy) and the guy that I pay so wash my european sports cars ( Im not a truck guy)  agreed with him.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah and my accountant , who I pay a lot of money to because im very rich says Maxx Williams is in great shape, and that guy went to Harvard( Although i'm a Yale guy) and the guy that I pay so wash my european sports cars ( Im not a truck guy) agreed with him.

Yeah I sounded like a snob. I'll admit it. I'm just saying. That guys qualified and knows how human body works better than most do and gets a lot of clientele. If you're a professional and do PT as well as being a personal trainer, you need to understand the body.

I drive a Ford BTW. It's practical ,

Just saying. If I ever have a question about the human body I go to him or my doctor. They're qualified. Cause I know my opinion is probably wrong otherwise.

My point wasn't that though. My point is, he's not out of shape. He's got endurance and as of right now he appears to have lost weight. And he was never slow to begin with. He's probably going to be an above average TE anyway and will probably lose the weight whole working in an NFL weight room. He's got a drive. With some people you just know.

Even then though, he doesn't appear to have the skills to be a field stretcher. Which is fine. He's not a Vernon Davis type to begin with. But he's got skills and he's got athletic ability. I agree with the statement that he needs to get stronger. But that'll probably happen in an NFL weight room anyway.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Yeah I sounded like a snob. I'll admit it. I'm just saying. That guys qualified and knows how human body works better than most do and gets a lot of clientele. If you're a professional and do PT as well as being a personal trainer, you need to understand the body.

I drive a Ford BTW. It's practical ,

Just saying. If I ever have a question about the human body I go to him or my doctor. They're qualified. Cause I know my opinion is probably wrong otherwise.

My point wasn't that though. My point is, he's not out of shape. He's got endurance and as of right now he appears to have lost weight. And he was never slow to begin with. He's probably going to be an above average TE anyway and will probably lose the weight whole working in an NFL weight room. He's got a drive. With some people you just know.

Even then though, he doesn't appear to have the skills to be a field stretcher. Which is fine. He's not a Vernon Davis type to begin with. But he's got skills and he's got athletic ability. I agree with the statement that he needs to get stronger. But that'll probably happen in an NFL weight room anyway.

To add to my point. Yes, I was snobby. But a personal trainer is trained specifically to help shape the body. And a physical therapist is trained to fix it. He/she has to have extensive knowledge of how the muscles of the body has to work and how the body functions in general. Much more than an average person. An accountant? Like my father and uncle(who are technically auditors), look at numbers all day... One of these things is not like the other, and one is qualified to talk extensively on physical fitness. So yes. 

Edited November 21, 2015 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Winchester]

1. I know it's directed at someone else. But I'll keep paying my personal trainer so I can remain in fighting shape! Thanks though! I appreciate the offer but I've got this myself. Live in Cali anyway.

2. Maxx can run circles around you and out bench you probably. It's fine. He can do the same for me(I'm a combat sport guy. Not my thing. I'm more about quickness). So yeah. Body fat or not. My point with the DT or LB thing is that those guys are in shape and have good endurance usually. Could he cut down on some body fat? Sure. But it honestly wouldn't be as hard. He'd be stuck in an NFL weight room in an NFL training regimen. And he honestly already seems like a hard worker. You may have a better looking body. But Maxx is in better physical shape.

3. Even my personal trainer agrees with me on the subject matter. Maxx trains for raw strength. Something he already has. He already has good speed for a TE(you don't need to be Vernon Davis). That guy has a bachelors in kinseology. And aside from being that is also my physical therapist(needless to say I pay the man a lot of money), so he knows how the body works pretty well.

4. He doesn't look fat NOW even. He looks like he's in shape.

So again.

Fire your pt!! If I had a nickel for every person that came to me crying they are doing what their pt says and still look like crap I would be a billionaire!! I do not doubt his endurance. I just said he is leaving speed,power,explosion on the table. Of course he don't need to run 4.55 to be good but the goal is to be great and put fear in defenses with his skill!! If Maxx got in his best shape he would be on par with colt lyera as an athlete. But of course a much better football player than colt!!

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Fire your pt!! If I had a nickel for every person that came to me crying they are doing what their pt says and still look like crap I would be a billionaire!! I do not doubt his endurance. I just said he is leaving speed,power,explosion on the table. Of course he don't need to run 4.55 to be good but the goal is to be great and put fear in defenses with his skill!! If Maxx got in his best shape he would be on par with colt lyera as an athlete. But of course a much better football player than colt!!

I've lost 30 pounds with my personal trainer and have gained five pounds of muscle. I may not be cut up yet, but I am on track to be so at around March. And he's rehabilitated my shoulder. I have results, and he's well worth the money. And his clients think the same, do you really think that I would not do my own research on one, if I thought he'd be waste of money? 

 

Give me an example of players who have lost 20 pounds and gained up 20 pounds of muscle immediately? Go ahead. I'll wait. Maxx will probably be able to lose the weight but it would take him a VERY long time to gain 20 pounds of muscle. 

[Winchester]

I've lost 30 pounds with my personal trainer and have gained five pounds of muscle. I may not be cut up yet, but I am on track to be so at around March. And he's rehabilitated my shoulder. I have results, and he's well worth the money. And his clients think the same, do you really think that I would not do my own research on one, if I thought he'd be waste of money? 

 

Give me an example of players who have lost 20 pounds and gained up 20 pounds of muscle immediately? Go ahead. I'll wait. Maxx will probably be able to lose the weight but it would take him a VERY long time to gain 20 pounds of muscle.

No it wouldn't!! Not if he knew what he was doing. Peeps thought I was juicing at the gym after about a a 1 1\2 yrs. I had PTs including a world renowned pt with more certifications than brain cells. and did not make progress I was looking for!! PTs are to conventional. Then I met a doc\researcher who insisted me to stop listening to PTs and changed everything. I was reluctant of course. But within the next year I had a model that was actually in an issue of maxim ask what I was doing and asked to workout with me. Of course she stood me up twice lol. before actually making to a couple workouts with me. I taught and researched workouts for a current NFL WR as well because he believes there is more than what he is taught by team certified trainers. Anyways good luck with your progress dude!! And my goal for Maxx is to get as good or better than Gronk!! Why settle for being good?? While He could be a 4.55 play speed TE and top5 TE or better!! Like I said he could be as good as the raw tools of Colt Lyera. But a far more focused and functional player of course than Colt. Maxx said himself he could be much stronger and faster and needs to dedicate himself to training and better cuisine choices.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Well I commend you for the well wishes. I wish you well forward. I hit a depressive prat in my life and gained alot before injuring the shoulder. Told him that I wanted to lose weight, lost 30 pounds. He developed a routine for me that works.. My cardio is I run to the gym(roughly three miles from the house). Don't lift but I train to get stronger.

As for Maxx. I think you misunderstand his game. He could be very good. No doubt about it.

His game isn't Gronks. It's just not. And tbh. Gronk's game is not capable of being replicated. Closest one we have is Eifert, who's good no doubt but not Gronk good.

Maxx's game is based off of craftiness(which he has), great hands, and quickness. He's stronger and quicker than fast. I remember when scouting him(my friend runs a scouting website. It doesn't do well but I think it is fun), that I was impressed with his route running ability and quickness. He doesn't have long speed and probably never will. Which is fine. He's got the tools to be very successful because of his hands and route running ability. He knows how to get open, and is quick enough to gain an extra couple of yards along the way in addition to being a great blocker. Who does that remind me of? Witten. Reliable, crafty, good route runner, good blocker. Guess what? Witten may not be Gronk but he's still a future hall of famer(and look up Witten shirtless.... Yeah. Not pretty). Witten is the kind of guy that trancesnds eras. He'd honestly be great in all of them. Maxx posseses many of these qualities.

So... If he's not better than Gronk, fine by me. Not many TE's in NFL history are. Maybe one is that I've seen(Tony G), and Gronk is more athletic. But if you told me that I was getting a Jason Witten potential player(which I think is his ceiling tbh), I'd be damn excited.

[Winchester]

Well I commend you for the well wishes. I wish you well forward. I hit a depressive prat in my life and gained alot before injuring the shoulder. Told him that I wanted to lose weight, lost 30 pounds. He developed a routine for me that works.. My cardio is I run to the gym(roughly three miles from the house). Don't lift but I train to get stronger.

As for Maxx. I think you misunderstand his game. He could be very good. No doubt about it.

His game isn't Gronks. It's just not. And tbh. Gronk's game is not capable of being replicated. Closest one we have is Eifert, who's good no doubt but not Gronk good.

Maxx's game is based off of craftiness(which he has), great hands, and quickness. He's stronger and quicker than fast. I remember when scouting him(my friend runs a scouting website. It doesn't do well but I think it is fun), that I was impressed with his route running ability and quickness. He doesn't have long speed and probably never will. Which is fine. He's got the tools to be very successful because of his hands and route running ability. He knows how to get open, and is quick enough to gain an extra couple of yards along the way in addition to being a great blocker. Who does that remind me of? Witten. Reliable, crafty, good route runner, good blocker. Guess what? Witten may not be Gronk but he's still a future hall of famer(and look up Witten shirtless.... Yeah. Not pretty). Witten is the kind of guy that trancesnds eras. He'd honestly be great in all of them. Maxx posseses many of these qualities.

So... If he's not better than Gronk, fine by me. Not many TE's in NFL history are. Maybe one is that I've seen(Tony G), and Gronk is more athletic. But if you told me that I was getting a Jason Witten potential player(which I think is his ceiling tbh), I'd be damn excited.

I do not think Gronk is more athletic than a young Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates. And while witten was productive I do not think he was a difference maker or somebody that made plays all on his own. He always had a true #1 WR to open things up. While a good player he did not take the offense to another level like the great TEs. The goal should be for Maxx to take the offense to another level. If the ravens somehow find a legit #1 receiver the goal should be for Maxx to be just as feared by defenses. To often fans accept mediocrity or better than average because it is the home team player and fans want to like them. However there are 31 other teams paying players as well. To win a championship you need to be better than EVERYBODY else!! Mediocrity is unacceptable!! As for Maxx he is what you said, mostly anyways. But if Maxx can be a Colt Lyera athletically and play at 4.55-4.60 speed and burst but a far more functional and savvy player, why would anybody settle for slightly better than average?? Forget Gronk, of course Maxx wouldn't and does not have to be like him to be as great. He would be just as great as Gronk but a different style player that defenses need to account for as another #1 receiver. More similar to Tony Gonzalez in his prime. Whomnif played in today's NFL in his prime would post ridiculous ##'s!! Tony was fanatical about abstracting every ounce of speed and explosion he could from his body. Tony could have been lazy about his practice training and nutrition habits and still been as good as a Witten on natural athleticism. But he took his play to the next level. Maxx can do that as well.

[-Truth-]

Well I commend you for the well wishes. I wish you well forward. I hit a depressive prat in my life and gained alot before injuring the shoulder. Told him that I wanted to lose weight, lost 30 pounds. He developed a routine for me that works.. My cardio is I run to the gym(roughly three miles from the house). Don't lift but I train to get stronger.

As for Maxx. I think you misunderstand his game. He could be very good. No doubt about it.

His game isn't Gronks. It's just not. And tbh. Gronk's game is not capable of being replicated. Closest one we have is Eifert, who's good no doubt but not Gronk good.

Maxx's game is based off of craftiness(which he has), great hands, and quickness. He's stronger and quicker than fast. I remember when scouting him(my friend runs a scouting website. It doesn't do well but I think it is fun), that I was impressed with his route running ability and quickness. He doesn't have long speed and probably never will. Which is fine. He's got the tools to be very successful because of his hands and route running ability. He knows how to get open, and is quick enough to gain an extra couple of yards along the way in addition to being a great blocker. Who does that remind me of? Witten. Reliable, crafty, good route runner, good blocker. Guess what? Witten may not be Gronk but he's still a future hall of famer(and look up Witten shirtless.... Yeah. Not pretty). Witten is the kind of guy that trancesnds eras. He'd honestly be great in all of them. Maxx posseses many of these qualities.

So... If he's not better than Gronk, fine by me. Not many TE's in NFL history are. Maybe one is that I've seen(Tony G), and Gronk is more athletic. But if you told me that I was getting a Jason Witten potential player(which I think is his ceiling tbh), I'd be damn excited.

If Maxx Williams comes close to playing at the level of Jason Witten, who was easily a Top 3 TE for over half a decade, I'd be thrilled with the value he'd provide. Witten was a staple of the Dallas passing attack that was ranked 9th at worst in a span of 7 years during his prime. Nothing short of an elite tight end during his best seasons.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If Maxx Williams comes close to playing at the level of Jason Witten, who was easily a Top 3 TE for over half a decade, I'd be thrilled with the value he'd provide. Witten was a staple of the Dallas passing attack that was ranked 9th at worst in a span of 7 years during his prime. Nothing short of an elite tight end during his best seasons.

Indeed. I'd take Witten over most of the TEs TODAY even, so yeah. I mean. There's Gronk, Eifert, Graham, Olsen, Kelce in front of him then no one else basically. 

[jimjim5]

I personally don't ever see Maxx Williams taking over the starting spot from Gilmore. Gilmore's toolbox is too full.

[Winchester]

Maybe, I will say this about Gilmore. He got much stronger and more muscular since last year. Not only, while really not a true seam threat, he is a little faster than last year as well as a result of gaining the proper kind of functional muscle and losing a little speed draining fat. If Max can do the same thing defenses better look out. Because Maxx is silky smooth with crafty routes and good hands. If Maxx adds 20 lbs of muscle and loses 20 lbs of fat his play speed,explosion and athleticism would equal 4.55-4.60 40,36" vertical, 10' broad and sub 7 3 cone to parallel his crafty smooth routes. Defenses would have to respect him like a #1 receiver!! In the mold of Tony Gonzalez and Tyler eifert. More like Tony Gonzalez because I think Maxx is craftier than Eifert.

If Maxx has Tony's work ethic and dedication to abstract as much as he can from his body he will be a similar player. Maybe he could approach Wittens production and impact as he sits now on natural skill. Which many would consider very successful. But while very productive, Witten did not impact the game the way the top2 TEs of his era Tony Gonzalez and Gates did. Those dudes took the place of a #1 WR and commanded similar respect from defenses as a #1 receiver. Tony Gonzalez could have settled for Being a very productive pro bowler in the mold of witten on his natural skill alone. However he is fanatical about abstracting becoming the strongest most explosive version of an athlete he could be. Resulting in him being a rare breed TE that took the place of a #1 receiver and respected by defenses like a #1 receiver. Maxx has far more potential than what he currently displays. Many TEs would not be NFL caliber if they looked like Maxx. It is not an insult. It is a compliment of how good he could be if he hit fulfilled his athletic potential. Unlike most TEs, he has far more potential locked inside waiting to be utilized.