Countdown to Joey Bosa

[Daft Classic]

As much as I love the #SuckForLuck, #SuckForTheDuck, and #SuckForTheBuck campaigns, I hope we go after Ramsey or VH3. The pass rushers just seem too iffy this year to go after, and if Ozzie can do anything, he can find good pass rushers late. I'm also starting to believe we will be targeting a top name FA WR because of the dumpster fire we'll have left. Sign a top FA, resign Aiken and Givens cheap, Perriman #4, draft 2 WR mid/late round (We actually DON'T draft a TE this year). 

 

If I had to pick a favorite though, I'm going with VH3. I'm pulling for Webb to flourish at Safety so that we cut Lewis and run with the secondary of: 

 

CB1: Smith

CB2: VH3

CB3: Davis/Brooks/Arrington

FS: Webb

SS: Hill

[rafahash]

Vernon Hargreaves, please. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!

[RavensFanMania]

have you watched a game this year D is the problem coaching scheme no pass rush poor angles missed assignments/ tackles offense is decent Flacco has done well with not much to work with. A secondary is always better with a good pass rush

This absolutely correct.  Many fans don't even think about this and he has made the team better.  If it wasn't for him our offense would be worse.  Besides if you look at our offense based on yards alone, like the NFL does, he is in the upper half of the league.  Going into last weeks game we were 10th.  Not sure what we were at the end of the Jags game.

[usmccharles]

This absolutely correct.  Many fans don't even think about this and he has made the team better.  If it wasn't for him our offense would be worse.  Besides if you look at our offense based on yards alone, like the NFL does, he is in the upper half of the league.  Going into last weeks game we were 10th.  Not sure what we were at the end of the Jags game.

I agree as well, this i think also is a testament to Trestman.  He does call some odd plays, but i believe no matter what OC we have, fans will complain about calls here and there so i try not to.  Joe and Trestman are working with easily the worst WR corps in the league right now.  Even when SSr was playing, we were prolly still in the bottom 5 of WR talent.  Getting a legit target for Joe is extremely important for the future, even if SSr comes back, i doubt we will have enough cap space for a 1 or 2 so that could pose a problem

 

 

 

*sidenote, how has this thread not been moved  yet....clearly Bosa isnt on the Ravens....yet

Edited November 19, 2015 by usmccharles

[January J]

As much as I love the #SuckForLuck, #SuckForTheDuck, and #SuckForTheBuck campaigns, I hope we go after Ramsey or VH3. The pass rushers just seem too iffy this year to go after, and if Ozzie can do anything, he can find good pass rushers late. I'm also starting to believe we will be targeting a top name FA WR because of the dumpster fire we'll have left. Sign a top FA, resign Aiken and Givens cheap, Perriman #4, draft 2 WR mid/late round (We actually DON'T draft a TE this year).

If I had to pick a favorite though, I'm going with VH3. I'm pulling for Webb to flourish at Safety so that we cut Lewis and run with the secondary of:

CB1: Smith

CB2: VH3

CB3: Davis/Brooks/Arrington

FS: Webb

SS: Hill

id be pretty satisfied with that secondary. Edited November 19, 2015 by January J

[atomicfront]

Our second pick is going to be only a few places backs from where we usually draft in the first round. In fact with our extra picks from losing McPhee, Torrey Smith, we can afford to trade a fourth and our second to move up into the first round with that pick and get two firsts.  

 

So we could possibly get two high quality players if the team drafts smartly. 

[Cillmatic]

thought you wanted ramsey

I saw the light. I just want a CB.

[AsianRice]

As much as I love the #SuckForLuck, #SuckForTheDuck, and #SuckForTheBuck campaigns, I hope we go after Ramsey or VH3. The pass rushers just seem too iffy this year to go after, and if Ozzie can do anything, he can find good pass rushers late. I'm also starting to believe we will be targeting a top name FA WR because of the dumpster fire we'll have left. Sign a top FA, resign Aiken and Givens cheap, Perriman #4, draft 2 WR mid/late round (We actually DON'T draft a TE this year). 

 

If I had to pick a favorite though, I'm going with VH3. I'm pulling for Webb to flourish at Safety so that we cut Lewis and run with the secondary of: 

 

CB1: Smith

CB2: VH3

CB3: Davis/Brooks/Arrington

FS: Webb

SS: Hill

I like this set up and I have wanted this for long..

 

Webby in FS is ideal cuz he learned from the legendary Ed Reed.....

[ratedr]

I'm excited for this draft. Hope the FO doesn't screw it up.

[nyc9192]

You spelled "Vernon Hargreaves" wrong.

lmao.I was thinking the same thing.

[Militant X 1]

WR,,,, please,,, we can always draft a good defense  .

 its offense we have a problem with , if we are top 5 trade back stockpile some picks,,, get  a true #1 ,, parlay a couple of those picks into the future,,, 

 

We need some serious"playmakers" on both sides of the ball of course but I do feel that our offense should get special attention this draft.  Get Joe Flacco some "weapons" as everyone loves to say!  And he needs more than just 1 all around receiver that has great hands, fights for the ball and extra yards, has speed and can run routes.  Why not get him 2-3 cats like that?

[nyc9192]

      I can see a WR on draft day, however probably one that will never make the cut. Every single year we draft one in the 5th, 6th, 7th round that usually that was projected in earlier rounds but has injury or some kind of issue so they fell in the draft, and we draft em thinking they can turn it around I guess, and be a solid player. I honestly dont know why every single year we draft a DE or OLB even though we have solid players at those positions. Its ppl like the OP that say draft a DE, then later talk about how Flacco isnt worth his contract, even though he has no one to throw to

This!!

[Drew P]

It appears they can trade comp picks in the 2016 draft. Not a huge impact but instead of having too many useless long-shot project picks they can pair them down into something they can manage

[pep_meister]

Hargreaves rd 1

 

rd 2 Josh Doctson please... 

 

would be so exciting to see that pre season with perriman and doctson.

 

rd 3 OT

rd 4 OLB

rd 5 OLB

rd 6 OLB

rd 7 OLB

Edited November 19, 2015 by pep_meister

[tcamp15]

Would love to get
Round 1: Something to help the defence (Bosa/Hargreaves)
Round 2: Pick up one of these receivers in order (Coleman, Treadwell, Thomas, Fuller, Boyd, Doctson)
Plenty of WR talent in this class and at least one or a couple of those guys should fall to the second.

Edited November 19, 2015 by tcamp15

[gtalk12]

I no longer trust Ozzie with drafting WR's. Would rather just sign a proven vet even if they're north of 30. Flacco has success with those guys anyways.

 

Hakeem Nicks signed recently to the Giants again. Most have written him off, curious to see how he does now that he is back on the team that he had the most success with.

 

WOULD BE PRETTY UPSET IF HE DOES VERY WELL CONSIDERING HES STILL YOUNG...

 

I'm not mad though

[edthehead]

We need some serious"playmakers" on both sides of the ball of course but I do feel that our offense should get special attention this draft.  Get Joe Flacco some "weapons" as everyone loves to say!  And he needs more than just 1 all around receiver that has great hands, fights for the ball and extra yards, has speed and can run routes.  Why not get him 2-3 cats like that?

this is what I am always saying,, get a true 1 ,,, if perriman turns out to be good or maybe even great,, then it only help our offense,,

who is the top WR coming out this year,,, for the sake of speaking,,, if we are top 5 trade back to 10-12 get treadwell

treadwell, perriman, camp, and the 3 amigos (TE),,, i like this and bring back SSS to help train up those young wr,,, we will be good for years to come,, 

     lastly we have better luck drafting defense late in the draft than offense,, please no more WR in the 5,6,7 round,,,

[edthehead]

Bc I don't think there is a legit, can't miss #1 receiver in this draft. And if there is one I don't trust Ozzie to find him.

But there is a potential perrenial all pro at safety, CB, and pass rusher and at least one should be on the board when we pick so long as we don't go on to win several of our remaining games.

Plus Perriman could still be a legit #1. We KNOW we don't have a dominant pass rusher, FS or CB (behind Jimmy) on the team. And we can get upgrades at WR relatively cheap in comparison to what it costs to get a legit pass rusher or CB in free agency.

Take the sure thing and just add the most talented guy at a position of need. Grab a mid round receiver with upside and get a Nate Washington, Michael Crabtree, Sanu or Jones in FA to make sure we add at least one reliable pass catcher.

To top it off, our offense has been decent even as currently constructed. It needs more talented options but even as is it's capable of winning games. If we were able to make 4th qtr stop we'd have at least another 4 maybe even 5 wins.

Improving the pass rush or coverage is the quickest way to turning this team around imo.

you are correct on a true 1, I wish this year was last year , man amari cooper,, any way , I wouldn't want to take the chance and find out if perriman is a true 1,, by not drafting a WR,, draft the best WR

now let me say this if bosa is on the board yes take him,, I DO  be think the best player available is the way to go,,  

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

you are correct on a true 1, I wish this year was last year , man amari cooper,, any way , I wouldn't want to take the chance and find out if perriman is a true 1,, by not drafting a WR,, draft the best WR

now let me say this if bosa is on the board yes take him,, I DO be think the best player available is the way to go,,

Hargreaves too man. Hes the best CB prospect I've seen in a LONG time.

I think he'll come in and be a legit shutdown corner Day 1. His hips are ridiculous. The man is glue the way he sticks to receivers. Reads the game incredibly well, knows when to break to make a play.

Only 5'10" but it won't hurt him. Kid can leap out of the stadium to nullify any height advantage. Has great hands too. Check out a highlight reel sometime on YouTube; on a couple INTs he looks like the receiver - climbing the ladder in the endzone to make ridiculous leaping grabs.

He's a very willing tackler. Hits hard though I'd like to see him form tackle more often. Sometimes lays the boom with the shoulder but doesn't wrap up. In the NFL certain guys will just bounce right off of that.

But he's got everything you want in a CB for today's game and then some. I think in a couple years he's going to be a top, if not the top, corner in the game.

It'd be nice to have that on our back end.

[RavensFanOfLA]

      I can see a WR on draft day, however probably one that will never make the cut. Every single year we draft one in the 5th, 6th, 7th round that usually that was projected in earlier rounds but has injury or some kind of issue so they fell in the draft, and we draft em thinking they can turn it around I guess, and be a solid player. I honestly dont know why every single year we draft a DE or OLB even though we have solid players at those positions. Its ppl like the OP that say draft a DE, then later talk about how Flacco isnt worth his contract, even though he has no one to throw to

well said, i dont know why on earth we would draft high at a D position again this year, i want flacco to get a better chance of proving himself this time around

[Tru11]

well said, i dont know why on earth we would draft high at a D position again this year, i want flacco to get a better chance of proving himself this time around

 

what does flacco need to proof and to who?

[52liveforever]

well said, i dont know why on earth we would draft high at a D position again this year, i want flacco to get a better chance of proving himself this time around

 

Ok, but if we have a top ten pick, we would be reaching if we took a receiver. If we have a shot at getting one of Ramsey, VH3 or Bosa we would be stupid not to. There are really good wide receiver prospects to be had in the 2nd and 3rd that will fall because they don't meet the mold of the stereotypical receiver.

 

We don't lose if we draft any three of those guys. Honestly I'm not sold on the receivers that are currently projected first rounders being worth that high of a pick. Those three guys have extremely good chances of being in the top 5 at their position in a few years. I truly don't see any of the projected first round receivers falling in the top ten at their position in 5 years.

 

So are you proposing we trade back and what would you deem worth trading back?

[RaineV1]

There is no Amari Cooper or Sammy Watkins type receiver in this draft. The only offensive players of the draft worth picking high this year of o-linemen and QBs. Now, I wouldn't object to helping out Flacco with a franchise LT. But I don't want to reach for a WR just for the sake of getting one.

[1/28/01]

well said, i dont know why on earth we would draft high at a D position again this year, i want flacco to get a better chance of proving himself this time around

I couldn't care less about a single player proving himself. I want a competitive football team again with leaders!

[usmccharles]

Ok, but if we have a top ten pick, we would be reaching if we took a receiver. If we have a shot at getting one of Ramsey, VH3 or Bosa we would be stupid not to. There are really good wide receiver prospects to be had in the 2nd and 3rd that will fall because they don't meet the mold of the stereotypical receiver.

 

We don't lose if we draft any three of those guys. Honestly I'm not sold on the receivers that are currently projected first rounders being worth that high of a pick. Those three guys have extremely good chances of being in the top 5 at their position in a few years. I truly don't see any of the projected first round receivers falling in the top ten at their position in 5 years.

 

So are you proposing we trade back and what would you deem worth trading back?

While i completely agree with everything you said, the part i bolded is the issue with us drafting WRs when our WR scouting department is obviously not very good.  Its harder for us to draft a WR late and develope him, rather than drafting a WR thats more pro-ready or via FA.  I think its no question we go Defense, unless we go OL

[Militant X 1]

I couldn't care less about a single player proving himself. I want a competitive football team again with leaders!

 

Yes sir!  I completely agree!

[Ravenseconbeast]

I'm thinking if we pick in the 6-9 range, one of those guys might slip and, IMO, it would most likely be Ramsey (because the S position just doesn't seem to get drafted highly).

So to my previous question - what kind of S is he? Do you see him as a rangy, ball-hawking FS or not?

High IQ, rangy, know how to adapt with changing schemes. He is undersized and had trouble tackling. He isn't top 5 material. If we tade back, then he is an option.

[Ravenseconbeast]

There is no Amari Cooper or Sammy Watkins type receiver in this draft. The only offensive players of the draft worth picking high this year of o-linemen and QBs. Now, I wouldn't object to helping out Flacco with a franchise LT. But I don't want to reach for a WR just for the sake of getting one.

Flacco also has trouble teaching/connecting with young bucks. He isn't a great teacher/communicator. I think we grab a vet FA WR and hope SSS comes back.

[January J]

Ok, but if we have a top ten pick, we would be reaching if we took a receiver. If we have a shot at getting one of Ramsey, VH3 or Bosa we would be stupid not to. There are really good wide receiver prospects to be had in the 2nd and 3rd that will fall because they don't meet the mold of the stereotypical receiver.

 

We don't lose if we draft any three of those guys. Honestly I'm not sold on the receivers that are currently projected first rounders being worth that high of a pick. Those three guys have extremely good chances of being in the top 5 at their position in a few years. I truly don't see any of the projected first round receivers falling in the top ten at their position in 5 years.

 

So are you proposing we trade back and what would you deem worth trading back?

my thoughts exactly.

[balfan23]

I'm hearing Bosa reported as being the #1 overall according to many analysts. I just really think the odds of us picking #1 overall (or even top 3, should some QB desperate team pass on him) is very low. Based on that, it seems unlikely that he'll be a Raven. We'll likely be looking at those guys who are a bit past him in the big board.