Countdown to Joey Bosa

[edthehead]

because there isnt even a WR in this draft worth a top 10 pick, and we have holes just as big in other spots, like FS, OLB, CB, and if monroe goes down 1 more time then we will have a big hole at LT as well, all of this paired with the fact that this draft features some incredible top end talent at all of these positions, and i think we are best off just passing on a wr until the 2nd

hey I agree  with you,, 

if we are top 5 I see us trading back , I have always said that,, I think we still do a fairly good job at drafting on defense,,,,thats why I think we grab a true ,, or a possible true 1,,lol,,

OH yea,,, monroe will go down again,, he is too worried about them real estate deals,,, fyi,,, have you seen the way he plays he can be playing and still be down,,A true waste//

[Radinho84]

Each week we see a Raven team that is just plain bad. Poor team discipline, poor coaching decisions, lackluster play-calling and poor execution, and above all else sub-par personnel continue to plague or team.

 

It's time to bring in Joey Bosa.

 

Let the count-down begin!!

and by that we would fix our offensive issues, right?

[flynismo]

as someone whos been a ramsey fanboy from day one, i have been leaning towards hargreaves more lately, because he truly is the best cb prospect we have seen in a very long time. i dont remember revis as a prospect because i wasnt into the draft really big back then, but i cant name a current nfl cb as impressive as hargreaves, at 5'10" and looking every bit of it, he plays the ball like he is a 6'2" wr, his ankles and hips are like jello, he can swivel and turn and burst and explode into breaks to stay in the wr's back pocket at all times and make it look effortless, you simply cannot beat the guy with a good route, he will stick to the best ran routes like glue, he has great anticipation as well and is always one step ahead, it doesnt matter how big a wr is he will be able to play up to their size, and the only way you can beat the guy is if the qb is able to place it way out of his reach and on the money every time. 

 

hes that good. but ramsey is every bit as good as well, and im torn between the 2 and would be happy either way. these boys are the real deal

It's very much like the Jimmy / Peterson duo of 2011. A tantalizing, shutdown corner vs a supremely versatile DB who's very effective wherever you put him.

It would be a blessing to get either.

[Bruce_Almty]

So a defensive end would fix all of our troubles right now

Absolutely, after all, we're only 1 player away from the Lombardi. <jk>

[Ravens4Real]

Not sure we would take Bosa even if given the chance. He doesn't really fit our scheme or a 3-4 defense. He is more of a 4-3 end. He's not an OLB.

[Bruce_Almty]

So we are gonna ride this thread until April ?

I totally agree; this stuff has a shelf-life of less than 3 months. The sites forum police need to send in the site-sweepers and take out the trash now and then.

 

You can already checkout the 33 pages of the Too Early 2016 Draft Prospects. smh, that's laughable and pathetic at the same time, but that thread will grow to over 100 pages and last another 9 months easy...and maybe last indefinitely. 

[BmoreBird22]

Not sure we would take Bosa even if given the chance. He doesn't really fit our scheme or a 3-4 defense. He is more of a 4-3 end. He's not an OLB.

I'm going to have to disagree.

 

Ohio State has been using him a lot more in stand up situations this year and he's being asked to drop into coverage more. He still appears lost, but he's learning quickly.

 

He's a freakish athlete with the ability to stand up and play OLB. And in any case, the Ravens play quite a bit of nickel and he can rush with his hand in the dirt, no problem.

[Dr. Kelley]

Sounds good to me

Its not like we are winning anytime soon

[redlobster]

I could see and like that but what else would we get? An extra second or two?

I'm not really good at predicting what costs what 

 

But 

 

Ravens :

 

Trade 4th pick

Trade 123rd pick

 

SD (just a place holder) :

 

Trade 8th pick

Trade 40th pick

 

In the trade calculator those are almost equal but if a team falls in love with a player they can trade more (ala RGknee)

[January J]

I'd be ecstatic if we came away with Ramsey, Hargreaves, or bosa. Ramsey has more versatility- Hargreaves is the best pure corner- and bosa has that leadership quality that we have been lacking. Tough call indeed.

[wizard1]

and by that we would fix our offensive issues, right?

It's not gonna fix any issue but it brings in swaggar and we gotta get our swag back. We can build around him! We have to start somewhere.

[wizard1]

Wait a minute! Are you guys serious right now. We have a real shot at bringing in a guy that will no doubt be a JJ Watt type impact player. A guy that inspires all the other defensive players around him to play at a higher level. A guy that will get us 16 sacks in his rookie year. A guy that will be our cornerstone for the next 10 years.  We need a leader on defense.

 

Joey Bosa is that guy.

[RavensFanMania]

And we're a much better drafting and more talented team than most that finish in the top 10 of the draft.

Most teams, period.

[RavensFanMania]

I no longer trust Ozzie with drafting WR's. Would rather just sign a proven vet even if they're north of 30. Flacco has success with those guys anyways.

And it's Ozzies fault that Perriman has a faulty PCL. Now I understand. Smh

[Drew P]

So we are gonna ride this thread until April ?

 

No doubt its still football season lets deal with the dip in quality at least they aren't getting pounded

[balfan23]

So we are gonna ride this thread until April ?

Sadly, we're hard pressed to find other topics to discuss other than dwelling on the sorry state of 2015.  

[arnie_uk]

I'm not really good at predicting what costs what

But

Ravens :

Trade 4th pick

Trade 123rd pick

SD (just a place holder) :

Trade 8th pick

Trade 40th pick

In the trade calculator those are almost equal but if a team falls in love with a player they can trade more (ala RGknee)

wouldn't touch that deal. San Francisco is in desperate need of a qb or a star player. They'd have to give up pick 8 and a next yrs first before I even consider trading with them

[redlobster]

wouldn't touch that deal. San Francisco is in desperate need of a qb or a star player. They'd have to give up pick 8 and a next yrs first before I even consider trading with them

 

Don't think I would do it either, just what the trade calculator called for.

[Deflated Football]

And it's Ozzies fault that Perriman has a faulty PCL. Now I understand. Smh

Never said that. Just his history of drafting WR's is abysmal.

[RavensFanOfLA]

you think our offense is the problem this year? lol

i think he is right joe needs to build a true #1 WR maybe thats in brashad but i would like to see a WR on draft day

[RLewis52]

i think he is right joe needs to build a true #1 WR maybe thats in brashad but i would like to see a WR on draft day

      I can see a WR on draft day, however probably one that will never make the cut. Every single year we draft one in the 5th, 6th, 7th round that usually that was projected in earlier rounds but has injury or some kind of issue so they fell in the draft, and we draft em thinking they can turn it around I guess, and be a solid player. I honestly dont know why every single year we draft a DE or OLB even though we have solid players at those positions. Its ppl like the OP that say draft a DE, then later talk about how Flacco isnt worth his contract, even though he has no one to throw to

[RaineV1]

Bosa is good, but there are other top players I would take before him: Nkemdiche, Stanley, Tunsil, and Ramsey.

[wizard1]

Sadly, we're hard pressed to find other topics to discuss other than dwelling on the sorry state of 2015.  

 

What do you mean-this is a great topic. Lets get Bosa in here now we might get to the playoffs!!

 

[RavensFanMania]

Never said that. Just his history of drafting WR's is abysmal.

He has drafted 1 WR in the first round since Flacco was drafted in 2008 and he hasn't played yet due to injury.  Lets wait to give him a grade once we see Perriman play.  The WR drafted in the 2nd round was Torrey Smith and he wasn't too bad.  Definitely a good number two wide out. 

[Wildabeast88]

WR,,,, please,,, we can always draft a good defense  .

 its offense we have a problem with , if we are top 5 trade back stockpile some picks,,, get  a true #1 ,, parlay a couple of those picks into the future,,,

have you watched a game this year D is the problem coaching scheme no pass rush poor angles missed assignments/ tackles offense is decent Flacco has done well with not much to work with. A secondary is always better with a good pass rush

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

nope,, not at all

but why get a true 1 ,,,

cause we need that spot filled also,,,

Bc I don't think there is a legit, can't miss #1 receiver in this draft. And if there is one I don't trust Ozzie to find him.

But there is a potential perrenial all pro at safety, CB, and pass rusher and at least one should be on the board when we pick so long as we don't go on to win several of our remaining games.

Plus Perriman could still be a legit #1. We KNOW we don't have a dominant pass rusher, FS or CB (behind Jimmy) on the team. And we can get upgrades at WR relatively cheap in comparison to what it costs to get a legit pass rusher or CB in free agency.

Take the sure thing and just add the most talented guy at a position of need. Grab a mid round receiver with upside and get a Nate Washington, Michael Crabtree, Sanu or Jones in FA to make sure we add at least one reliable pass catcher.

To top it off, our offense has been decent even as currently constructed. It needs more talented options but even as is it's capable of winning games. If we were able to make 4th qtr stop we'd have at least another 4 maybe even 5 wins.

Improving the pass rush or coverage is the quickest way to turning this team around imo.

[edthehead]

have you watched a game this year D is the problem coaching scheme no pass rush poor angles missed assignments/ tackles offense is decent Flacco has done well with not much to work with. A secondary is always better with a good pass rush

I have watched the Defense this year every game and every snap and I think we had a lot of issues but based off what you said the first comment was " coaching scheme" that is over half the battle, I really think we have a good defense ,, Do we need some infusion ,,yes ,, but I am confident we can find a better player on defense in the later round as opposed to finding an offensive weapon just look at history,

   We need a true #1 WR ,, just think Treadwell, Periman, Camp, our 3 amigos(TE), DUDE,,that is a heck of an offense, Heck we might not even need a line with that power house ,,, 

    I will take BOSA in the first and a WR in the second but if we do not get him WR in the first 

[Winchester]

Bc I don't think there is a legit, can't miss #1 receiver in this draft. And if there is one I don't trust Ozzie to find him.

But there is a potential perrenial all pro at safety, CB, and pass rusher and at least one should be on the board when we pick so long as we don't go on to win several of our remaining games.

Plus Perriman could still be a legit #1. We KNOW we don't have a dominant pass rusher, FS or CB (behind Jimmy) on the team. And we can get upgrades at WR relatively cheap in comparison to what it costs to get a legit pass rusher or CB in free agency.

Take the sure thing and just add the most talented guy at a position of need. Grab a mid round receiver with upside and get a Nate Washington, Michael Crabtree, Sanu or Jones in FA to make sure we add at least one reliable pass catcher.

To top it off, our offense has been decent even as currently constructed. It needs more talented options but even as is it's capable of winning games. If we were able to make 4th qtr stop we'd have at least another 4 maybe even 5 wins.

Improving the pass rush or coverage is the quickest way to turning this team around imo.

Perriman did not look like a #1 before all this!! He never showed 4.2 or even 4.3 play speed!! The only reason there is nonsense talk of him being a legit #1 is because he is a #1 pick. And fans always want their #1 pick to be impact players. Round1 picks always get more opportunity as well even when not much skill is shown. Perriman likely has knee problems before the injury and knee problems that will linger. He never showed 4.3 speed to begin with or much route sharpness or savvy. Now he may not get his speed back. Harbaughs dejected look extends far beyond an injured receiver out for the year. It looked more like he did not show any confidence in the player whatsoever. The ravens need to plan their offense without counting on Perriman.

With perriman in question the ravens need to find a couple playmakers. Even with SS another legit playmaker was needed. Now SS will be 37 coming off Achilles injury. He can not be counted on. Joe is the ravens best asset and a legit franchise QB!! He is putting up 300 yard games with total scrubs!! He is making blocking TEs look good. Joe needs a couple young legit WRs to build chemistry with. No more old WRs or some other teams #3 option. That rarely works out when that receiver no longer has the legit #1 to draw attention. Ravens need a rookie and legit WR younger than 29. Scoring more points is the fastest route to championship contention!! Because the franchise QB is in place. The defense needs to much to be dominant again!! It is going to take several years to build the defense. Suggs will be 34 coming off Achilles injury. Dumervil will be 33 and slowing down. Jimmy has been erratic most of his career. Injuries took Webb's elite skills. Will Hill is an elite safety in my opinion. Besides, in today's NFL receivers are far more likely to be found that defensive players. And an elite juggernaut offense is more likely to be built. Especially when there is a franchise QB in place!! So lets get Joe some legit young receivers to win shootouts with the patsies then proceed to build the defense from there through the draft,trades,as cap money is cleared and giving strategic drama players another shot. I like the idea of drafting one if the left tackles then trading up for a legit receiver while signing a young talented receiver. Tunsil added to Yanda,Osemele,Urschel would front a formidable destructive Oline to allow Joe Cool and some legit weapons to do their thing. Not only would there be high octane scoring but that Oline could dish out punishment to a dominant defense and punch them back in the mouth!! It would not be your typical finesse high scoring offense susceptible to being bullied. With the dominant Oline the offense could get as nasty as any defense that shows its teeth!!

I would be in favor of Bosa as long as ravens trade get a legit WR early round 2 or even trade back into round1 for a playmaker. As well as sign a young playmaker that has skills to breakout catching throws from a franchise QB.

Edited November 19, 2015 by Winchester

[BSHU_Miami]

He has drafted 1 WR in the first round since Flacco was drafted in 2008 and he hasn't played yet due to injury. Lets wait to give him a grade once we see Perriman play. The WR drafted in the 2nd round was Torrey Smith and he wasn't too bad. Definitely a good number two wide out.

not second round worthy imo

[Maryland]

It sounds like the public has overrated Bosa based on last season. He's not a generational prospect like Clowney. 

 

I like Tunsil, VH3, and Ramsey more as prospects who fit needs.