Breshad Perriman placed on IR 11/17/2015

[Inqui]

that would be sad, pretty much the only thing we got him for

That and his size, catch radius and capacity for improvement in route running. But otherwise, that's the only thing we got him for.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

Not against old for olds sake. I just think "Football 60" is a heckuva lot older than Non Football 60 and I'm old enough to recognize malfeasance when I see it. When the bad outweighs the good and you're definitely rebuilding....rebuild.

 

I've been a Raven fan since 2000.  I know, I know...when the going was good.  The last three years are aging me though

 

Back to Perriman........never understood it was a tear.  They never said tear, they called it a sprain PCL sprain.

 

Ok...so its torn........that's good news........its healing and he'll be back.

 

lol! Yeah, its too bad they didn't tell us it was torn but its good news that they have shut him down so he can fully heal before coming back. If he's half the player his dad was, he'll do all right as a Raven. 

[443hurricane]

Well, if you're depressed then it makes sense. He was probably in grief and was battling the phases of this grieving process, and now he can move on to acceptance that he won't play this year so he can focus on getting better for next year. 

Bargaining .. so the first six weeks probably was denial. Either way I'm willing to give Perriman a chance. I still think his ceiling his more of a number #2. I want alpha male as my number 1

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

That and his size, catch radius and capacity for improvement in route running. But otherwise, that's the only thing we got him for.

That, and he knows how to use his physicality. If he stays healthy and SSR stays, with Engram helping him with the route tree(the tools are there for him to become a good route runner), he could be a #1. All likliness he turns into a damn good #2(which people will claim is a bust but whatever). In a Trestman offense a high end #2 can put up 1000 yards. 

[-Truth-]

That and his size, catch radius and capacity for improvement in route running. But otherwise, that's the only thing we got him for.

 

Rekt.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm just realizing how big Breshad is, dude is huge lol. Look forward to next season

Oh no.. And since he supposedly "doesn't play at a 4.3 speed does that mean.. He's *gasp*.... Fat? 

 

Rekt.

So he's not an automatic bust?

 

[Inqui]

That, and he knows how to use his physicality. If he stays healthy and SSR stays, with Engram helping him with the route tree(the tools are there for him to become a good route runner), he could be a #1. All likliness he turns into a damn good #2(which people will claim is a bust but whatever). In a Trestman offense a high end #2 can put up 1000 yards. 

If his PCL can heal up properly and we grab another veteran WR and/or a guy like Boyd drops, that'd give us a fantastic WR group almost overnight.

 

 

Rekt.

 

I'll admit I wasn't the president of his fan club when he was coming out of college or anything, but to say we only got a guy in the mid to late first only because of his speed does a huge disservice to everyone involved.

[-Truth-]

If his PCL can heal up properly and we grab another veteran WR and/or a guy like Boyd drops, that'd give us a fantastic WR group almost overnight.

 

 

 

I'll admit I wasn't the president of his fan club when he was coming out of college or anything, but to say we only got a guy in the mid to late first only because of his speed does a huge disservice to everyone involved.

 

With you on all accounts.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

The whole "smoke and mirrors" thing the Ravens pulled has me a bit irritated, to be honest. It's almost like they tried to make Perriman look like he was just a slow healer. I'm a bit annoyed with Harbaugh especially because he shouldn't have made those statements he did without considering the consequences. Maybe the doctors lied or deceived him, but I just find that unlikely. If they did, they should be fired on the spot. I've never heard of such a thing happening before, however, so I'm not sure the doctors did lie. Furthermore, I can't see why Dr. Andrews would also corroborate with the Ravens medical doctors.

In fact, this looks more and more like the Ravens just tried to deceive its fan base. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I don't have any insight here and it's just my opinion, which perhaps is a bit skewed at the moment. Absolutely horrendous management of this situation from the Ravens. I feel bad about anything I said negatively towards Perriman and take it back.

With the way Perriman worded certain things, by reading between the lines I kept getting the impression that he maybe got a 2nd opinion from a doctor outside the organization.

Maybe the Ravens doctors gave one diagnosis and Perriman's gave another... Harbs was reporting what the team's doctors were telling him while Perriman was following the advice of his personal doctor. It would explain the disconnect and the visible frustration on the part of Harbs and Flacco in press conferences when asked about it.

"The whole reason for IR, I JUST FELT LIKE, or we all felt like - me and the training staff and the coaches - we felt like it was not enough time to build back my quad strength and get back in football shape.

Struck me as odd that he had to clarify it was a group decision... Started by saying it was his but then quickly changed to say "we" and then repeatedly hammered that clarification home.

Could Perriman have kept himself out on the advice of his own doctor against the diagnosis of the doctors and team officials?

I'm reading into it, no doubt, and definitely don't have any evidence to corroborate the theory other than a few subtle suggestions and the fact that the truth we've been fed is so disconnected and contradictory that even a conspiracy like this doesn't seem all that out of the realm of possibilities.

Could also explain why he went into a "dark hole"... In that he was truly alone bc he made a decision to do what he felt was right for his health and future against what the team was advising him to do.

A stretch but I wouldn't be surprised. Might also explain why the team sent him to Dr.

Andrews - someone completely objective and neutral... Not Perriman's or the team's doctors - in hopes that if he also felt there wasn't anything serious there and he could return that maybe Perriman would change his position and give it a go.

Edited November 20, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Bargaining .. so the first six weeks probably was denial. Either way I'm willing to give Perriman a chance. I still think his ceiling his more of a number #2. I want alpha male as my number 1

How many names do you use??? Winchester, hardhitters, this, and that old name you used to use. What's the point?

And you have this obsession with "alpha males"....

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I find it strange that he feels better after knowing he won't play this season, you'd think that would make him feel worse.

I think it makes sense... It was likely the pressure of the constant questions being asked of Joe and Harbs about when he's coming back and "how could this take so long?" Hearing the constant comments about how he should be back, he must be soft, and bc it was called day to day or week to week he literally had to deal with everyone, every single week wondering if this would be the week he returns.

Now it's done. He's not coming back this year. No pressure on him to rush back or deal with the constant questions. He can finally just focus on his recovery, and he now knows for sure when he will return.

I can totally understand his relief. Huge expectations were lumped on him, and probably felt himself like he was letting the team and fan base down... Not to mention the fans constant reminders that that feeling was warranted bc they let him know they felt let down.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

How many names do you use??? Winchester, hardhitters, this, and that old name you used to use. What's the point?

And you have this obsession with "alpha males"....

He acts as if these people aren't freaking strong. Breshad is huge and probably stronger than he is. Just saying

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

If his PCL can heal up properly and we grab another veteran WR and/or a guy like Boyd drops, that'd give us a fantastic WR group almost overnight.

I'll admit I wasn't the president of his fan club when he was coming out of college or anything, but to say we only got a guy in the mid to late first only because of his speed does a huge disservice to everyone involved.

Boyd, Perriman, and maybe SSR. With Maxx and Gillmore? Hell yeah that'd be great. Just give me any possesion WR.

I hope Boyd falls. He and Perriman would compliment each other so well. The deep speed abilities of Perriman(and yes. He actually has it. Just got done watching some tape of him. He doesn't have great burst(it's very good) but he's like my old Mercedes. Once it starts going he'll beat people long wise with his speed) with solid hands combined with the great hands and route saviness. With Maxx over the middle and his great hands.. Hell yeah.

I can dream can't I?

[Inqui]

Boyd, Perriman, and maybe SSR. With Maxx and Gillmore? Hell yeah that'd be great. Just give me any possesion WR.

I hope Boyd falls. He and Perriman would compliment each other so well. The deep speed abilities of Perriman(and yes. He actually has it. Just got done watching some tape of him. He doesn't have great burst(it's very good) but he's like my old Mercedes. Once it starts going he'll beat people long wise with his speed) with solid hands combined with the great hands and route saviness. With Maxx over the middle and his great hands.. Hell yeah.

I can dream can't I?

The thing is that that isn't all that far-fetched. If Boyd or Doctson fall even remotely like Keenan Allen did (hopefully they tank their 40 times at the Underwear Olympics), or if we grab a cut candidate like Pierre Garcon, that's suddenly turning a black hole into a decent strength without reaching or going out and selling the farm or anything crazy.

 

But if he can come back healthy, Perriman would be fantastic as a WR2 or WR3 with that group. Hell, I wouldn't even rule out him becoming a potential WR1 for us.

[Cillmatic]

That and his size, catch radius and capacity for improvement in route running. But otherwise, that's the only thing we got him for.

You're in denial river.

[jimmypowder]

Based on Perriman and his dark hole comments , we had better start looking for receivers next year .

Would not talk to his parents or Harbaugh . I don't find this too encouraging .

I don't think this kid will be very resilient based on this .

Edited November 20, 2015 by jimmypowder

[Ravens4Real]

Based on Perriman and his dark hole comments , we had better start looking for receivers next year .

Would not talk to his parents or Harbaugh . I don't find this too encouraging .

I don't think this kid will be very resilient based on this .

I totally agree with this. So he went into hiding and wouldn't even talk to loved ones because of any injury?! I mean common. Life is cruel and I can almost guarantee something 5x worse will happen to him if he has a career over say 10 years.

Some of these guys go out and play after losing a loved one a day or two prior. If he can't even handle an injury, how the hell is he going to handle that?

[Militant X 1]

Based on Perriman and his dark hole comments , we had better start looking for receivers next year .

Would not talk to his parents or Harbaugh . I don't find this too encouraging .

I don't think this kid will be very resilient based on this .

 

I totally agree with this. So he went into hiding and wouldn't even talk to loved ones because of any injury?! I mean common. Life is cruel and I can almost guarantee something 5x worse will happen to him if he has a career over say 10 years.

Some of these guys go out and play after losing a loved one a day or two prior. If he can't even handle an injury, how the hell is he going to handle that?

 

That comment of his jumped out at me as well.

[jimmypowder]

This is what I most feared about this situation. That it is indeed a mental as well as physical problem. 

 

Not good at all. 

[Tru11]

so you guys rather have a rookie who is happy he is injured, his teammates are losing , does not care 1 bit he cant contribute and just goes partying and such rather then being down about the whole thing?

 

alright then.

[jimmypowder]

so you guys rather have a rookie who is happy he is injured, his teammates are losing , does not care 1 bit he cant contribute and just goes partying and such rather then being down about the whole thing?

 

alright then.

Maybe you haven't read many of the posts here. He would not talk to his own parents and Harbaugh. He even admitted

he was in a "dark hole" which implies depression. 

 

It's perfectly ok to be unhappy about his situation but this 'dark hole" is at a completely different level

and is a big reason why the front office better get receiver help next year big time.

Edited November 20, 2015 by jimmypowder

[BmoreBird22]

With regards to depression, it's a complex issue and I'm sure no one here is a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist, so don't even try to diagnose what this means for his mentality or toughness.

The fact that this even affected him to the point that he would go into depression shows a large amount of dedication and passion for his sport

[Tru11]

Maybe you haven't read many of the posts here. He would not talk to his own parents and Harbaugh. He even admitted

he was in a "dark hole" which implies depression. 

 

It's perfectly ok to be unhappy about his situation but this 'dark hole" is at a completely different level

and is a big reason why the front office better get receiver help next year big time.

 

really?

 

i watched his press conference and he did not appear he was that far gone he had to be placed on suicide watch.

 

think its actually good he already had to deal with this cause it means  if it happens again he might be able to deal with it better.

 

seems a bit harsh to write the guy off, because he had trouble dealing with his situation.....

[Tru11]

With regards to depression, it's a complex issue and I'm sure no one here is a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist, so don't even try to diagnose what this means for his mentality or toughness.

The fact that this even affected him to the point that he would go into depression shows a large amount of dedication and passion for his sport

 

thats what i got from hearing and seeing him speak about it.

 

guess some here just like to be negative about the kid anyway they can lol

Edited November 20, 2015 by Tru11

[GrimCoconut]

Listening to Perriman I came away thinking that he's extremely competitive and wants to be on that field as much as anyone and that he probably took it hard that he can't. All indications I've heard suggest to me that he would've rushed himself back just to see the field. I understand that mentality. I've dealt with injuries myself and even exercise when I'm hurt because I hate the idea of not getting better.

I have no questions on his mentality or resiliency. While you can argue that he's not resilient due to him withdrawing from his family and others, I can make the argument he is since he lasted this long instead of going on IR.

I honestly sometimes wonder I whether some of us would rather be right that a guy is a bust, mentally weak, etc rather than wrong and the player succeed. Much like Joe Flacco and even Jimmy Smith, these players get ripped for their failures but most of those ripping them don't give them their credit for their success.

[Cillmatic]

so you guys rather have a rookie who is happy he is injured, his teammates are losing , does not care 1 bit he cant contribute and just goes partying and such rather then being down about the whole thing?

alright then.

You can be bummed your teams losing but you don't have to AVOID YOUR FAMILY AND COACH. You're making millions along with your teammates, it's not THAT bad.

I want a guy with heart but that's a little too far.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Cillmatic

[Static]

I hope Perriman doesn't get depressed everytime something bad happens.

[Purple_ICE 81]

The anticipation of seeing Breshad Perriman play a damn game is probably more painful than our losing record.

Gonna be a lonnng off season.

[Tru11]

You can be bummed your teams losing but you don't have to AVOID YOUR FAMILY AND COACH. You're making millions along with your teammates, it's not THAT bad.

I want a guy with heart but that's a little too far.

 

im pretty sure losing wasent the only thing on his mind.

 

and it speaks volumes that a guy making millions is this much upset he cant play rather then sitting home counting all the money and thinking about how he is going to spend it all.

 

he could have been doing that you know.

 

seriously fans will always find something to complain about.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Tru11

[Ravens4Real]

im pretty sure losing wasent the only thing on his mind.

and it speaks volumes that a guy making millions is this much upset he cant play rather then sitting home counting all the money and thinking about how he is going to spend it all.

he could have been doing that you know.

seriously fans will always find something to complain about.

There's also a huge difference from getting injured and dealing with it than what he did.

I understand you are bummed that you got injured.. Nothing he or anyone else can do. You heal, get better and train your butt off to come back. In the mean time, you cheer on your teammates, learn the playbook and continue to try and get better.

You don't sit at home and sulk. He ignored his coach and his parents for god sake. I mean come the hell on. How childish is that? He's acting like he didn't get picked for the backyard football game.

I wonder if Kevin White sat at home and didn't answer his parents calls? I would place a bet that he handled the situation like an adult.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Ravens4Real