Breshad Perriman placed on IR 11/17/2015

[GrimCoconut]

True but was there anything from his press conference to say that it was a major tear? He also used the word partially torn without giving us a grade (I know from experience that if a PCL is torn completely for a normal man they wont even repair the injury, you just go on living without a PCL pretty much). Im sure he knows and was instructed to use the word "partially torn" because he knows the fans would be more forgiving of the term.

But never the less I had a grade 1/2 sprain last summer and was out of work or running for more than a month so im not sure why they act like this is such a minor injury. Painful to walk especially going up stairs.

I just don't know. I'm ready to throw my hands up and say "Whatever." I think there's been too much analysis of this situation from many people, myself included. Perhaps I'm a bit biased since I am a nurse and work at Union Memorial, the place where athletes go for recovery and sports medicine support and actually take care of some of these athletes from time to time when they arrive. 

 

There's so many factors that could've caused this delay and drama we'll never know. I'm ready for the season to end and for 2016 to begin. This has been a cursed season. It's almost unreal what we've endured as a team. Call it bad luck or misdiagnosis or whatever we want. I think I'm done with this topic for a while or until something really concrete comes out. Too much guesswork for me, and I normally hate to guess on things like this. If it was the season, draft picks, etc, I'm good. But I'm tired of this drama and it's run its course for me. 

 

I don't know who's right and who's wrong because a lot of points make a lot of sense to me. Who knows, maybe Perriman is a beast competitor and tried to work out with it while he was hurt without the supervision of the training staff and this is why he's still hurt. I haven't a single clue. Breshad never had injury issues in college, which is why I found it strange he has this issue here. Then, I got even more concerned when I watched Harbaugh and felt like he was frustrated with Perriman, but who knows maybe he was frustrated for a different reason. Could be a lot of things. 

[GrimCoconut]

"Perriman said that the tear in his knee got worse during warmups before Bengals game. He heard a pop in his knee."

That would be a quote from the Sun with Breshad describing what happened during the warm ups in the Bengals game. You don't usually hear a "pop" unless it's fairly serious. The fact that he doesn't need any surgery is encouraging, but I'm mad as hell at Harbaugh.

 

First, with clearly no knowledge of the situation, he says Breshad will be back in a couple of days. Then, when he's back into action prematurely for warm ups in the Bengals game and re-injures himself (or further injures it) and Harbaugh acted totally... childish in his interview after the game. A reporter asked repeatedly about the injury to Breshad during warm ups and Harbaugh replies three times by saying, "I have no idea what you're talking about." Uh, clearly you do and why you try to deflect the questions in such a serious matter is beyond me.

 

Then Harbaugh tells us there is no new injury, despite the fact that Perriman had stem cells injected into his knee. There was definitely a new injury for his PCL to "pop". 

 

Then Harbaugh keeps telling us he's so frustrated because it's one of the "all time slowest healing PCL injuries," effectively throwing Perriman under the bus and deflecting any blame from the medical staff and from himself by practicing him too early. 

 

And I don't want to pat myself on the back, but I was calling all this before it was announced today. Just happy to know that he should get more of a break with the truth out there now.

 

Yeah. I'm a bit annoyed with the Ravens and especially Harbaugh as well. If you hear a "pop", though, that's not encouraging and that's usually more of an ACL issue than a PCL. I'm sick of guessing and I'm ready to bow out of this topic, but I just read your post and it had some good insight. And as for your comment about Harbaugh, yeah, that's BS for him throwing Perriman under the bus. People got mad at Pees for throwing Jimmy under the bus, supposedly, but Harbaugh did it himself with Perriman. Kind of a BS double-standard we have there. But whatever. 

[PurpleCity5]

You have to look at the Ravens and really question their intent here. What exactly was this whole ordeal about? If I can recall, a sprain PCL technically is a partially torn PCL, it just depends on the severity. I think they misdiagnosed it, but it just didn’t make sense considering that the Doc preformed the scope and didn’t see anything different, but Perriman himself did say he indeed suffer the setback and that he in the sense re-injured his PCL. In that instance it’s understandable considering that he was close to return before he suffered the injury in week 3 and to suffer it again, it’s not easy.

 

Though I do believe that the typical PCL sprain recovery time between Training Camp and Week 3 didn’t align much, I still think he does deserve some slack in the sense that the Ravens themselves, weren’t as cautious as they should’ve been. I honestly feel bad for Perriman, sure that 4.2M signing bonus may have ease things, but the heat he was getting may have been unwarranted. Even I myself vented my frustrations from time to time. I kind of feel for the guy because you’re out there on the sidelines and you can’t help but think you would be able to help this team when you see this offense struggle from time to time. I builds a bit of guilt within you.  

 

I also have this to say, I really believe Breshad is a great person. He just seems like such a nice and decent human being, just the kind of guy you would never want to wish stuff like this happen to. For his sake I hope he recovers and completely breaks out next year. 

[BmoreBird22]

Yeah. I'm a bit annoyed with the Ravens and especially Harbaugh as well. If you hear a "pop", though, that's not encouraging and that's usually more of an ACL issue than a PCL. I'm sick of guessing and I'm ready to bow out of this topic, but I just read your post and it had some good insight. And as for your comment about Harbaugh, yeah, that's BS for him throwing Perriman under the bus. People got mad at Pees for throwing Jimmy under the bus, supposedly, but Harbaugh did it himself with Perriman. Kind of a BS double-standard we have there. But whatever. 

Harbaugh also threw Wright under the bus unprovoked, but what ever. What can we do now? 

I'm pretty much done with this topic just because I heard what I wanted to hear and this season is so bad anyway that I'm just ready for next year.

[BmoreBird22]

Oh, and just throwing this out there, but I am thrilled that there was actually a press conference. This just answered everything that fans were left in the dark about. The Ravens were never going to give answers, so I'm glad Breshad did.

[jimmypowder]

Has any NFL player been out from the beginning of training camp through the entire season over a PCL

sprain that does not require surgery? Just asking.

Edited November 19, 2015 by jimmypowder

[rmcjacket23]

Has any NFL player been out from the beginning of training camp through the entire season over a PCL

sprain that does not require surgery? Just asking.

Technically, he already had surgery.

[PurpleCity5]

I feel like the Ravens owe Perriman an apology. Really unfair what they did to the guy. I gave them the benifit of the doubt since it made sense, but I feel they might have just lied.

[ravefan52]

Not gonna lie, Harbaugh has annoyed me this season with his throwing players under the bus who don't deserve it. He's done it a few times. Maybe he's just angry from all this losing.

[Deflated Football]

Breshad is going to be a beast in the NFL. Rotoworld recently called him a "poor man's Julio Jones" and I agree with this. He was compared to a lot of superstar WR's during the draft process and although he's raw and missed his first year as a pro, this will serve as motivation for him to come out and tear the league up which I totally think he will. I have a lot of faith in him and I know that he will succeed in his career. There are hiccups in everyones lives and sometimes we're in control of them and sometimes we're not just like BP's injury. Calling him a bust is ridiculous and I wish him all the luck in the world. 

[Static]

Whoever cleared him needs to stop be allowed to clear people.

[The Mom Gene]

Has any NFL player been out from the beginning of training camp through the entire season over a PCL

sprain that does not require surgery? Just asking.

 

It was a partial tear... and then an aggravated tear that exascerbated the injury.

[ravefan52]

Also it sounds like Perriman basically went into a depression. It doesn't help when some 'fans' are constantly calling him a bust or wondering if he even exists. I'm sure he hears some of that.

[Deflated Football]

Also it sounds like Perriman basically went into a depression. It doesn't help when some 'fans' are constantly calling him a bust or wondering if he even exists. I'm sure he hears some of that.

Seems like it. He said he shut everyone out including his parents. It's rude what has been said about him. He's just a human being and a young one at that. He's facing adversity right now but he'll be back stronger than ever. 

[Static]

I find it strange that he feels better after knowing he won't play this season, you'd think that would make him feel worse.

[GrimCoconut]

I find it strange that he feels better after knowing he won't play this season, you'd think that would make him feel worse.

Well, if you're depressed then it makes sense. He was probably in grief and was battling the phases of this grieving process, and now he can move on to acceptance that he won't play this year so he can focus on getting better for next year. 

Edited November 19, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Static]

Well, if you're depressed then it makes sense. He was probably in grief and was battling the phases of this grieving process, and now he can move on to acceptance that he won't play this year so he can focus on getting better for next year. 

 

 

He said he knows the playbook though, there is hope

[AsianRice]

I'm sure he is frustrated cuz football is all his life and career so understandably.......

 

Hope he gets back next year with stronger motivation and passion....

[berad]

Also it sounds like Perriman basically went into a depression. It doesn't help when some 'fans' are constantly calling him a bust or wondering if he even exists. I'm sure he hears some of that.

 

Yup. Don't need to pile on a kid who hasn't done anything wrong. We saw some of it here, it was probably rampant on Twitter.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Not mad at Breshad anymore. Not worried either. A fully torn PCL is extremely problematic. This won't be in the future.

[redlobster]

Ravens needed to come out from the beginning and state what had happened and not leave this wondering/waiting game. Left him hanging, left the fans hanging. How are the ravens not experts at public relations after the ray rice fiasco?

[arnie_uk]

Also it sounds like Perriman basically went into a depression. It doesn't help when some 'fans' are constantly calling him a bust or wondering if he even exists. I'm sure he hears some of that.

well either of the doctors diagnosed it correct in the first place, it could have been made public the severity of the injury. Or harbs should have been honest if it was diabosed properly, then people wouldn't have been on perrimans back.

[PurpleCity5]

You know, I don't think the learning curve will be as hard on Breshad as some people believe it to be. I heard from his conference that the time away gave him the opportunity to not only learn his position but every other receivers as well, I have to say, I really think that was nice to hear, I'm starting to believe in the guy. I think I'll take back what I said about pretending that he's not on the roster. I don't think the knee will be a long-term problem, I honestly would look towards that direction because of everyone else outside of Perriman.
 

I'm really upset at the Ravens, they did the guy wrong. Seriously, I really believe they owe him an apology. 

[jimmypowder]

I think we can all agree that the Perriman saga has been horribly mismanaged all the way around.

Bisciotti may be very unhappy about the way this played out.

It makes the Ravens organization look very incompetent .

Edited November 19, 2015 by jimmypowder

[CalvinSmoke]

I'm just realizing how big Breshad is, dude is huge lol. Look forward to next season

[Guest]

I wholeheartedly agree that its time for the Wizard to hop into a hot air balloon and depart for Kansas but Ozzie's age is not the problem. The real problem is his successor is not in the organization and his Assistant GM, Eric DeCosta, isn't the answer IMHO. Neither is his son Vince. It rarely works well when your dad is one of your superiors in an organization. To be more specific, if Vince isn't doing a good job for the Ravens, do you think Ozzie would recommend he be fired? Think again, right? When you get to be 60, your opinion of older guys may change. The only difference between young men and old men is this: "Young men think old men are foolish; old men know young men are foolish."

 

The string of comments from some  fans about them not freaking out or panicking because they've been "faithful" fans since 1996 is an elitist point of view, but not elite like our quarterback. There are some Ravens fans that think you have to have been a fan since the beginning to be a real, faithful fanatic. I've been a fan since we started but I don't think I'm special because of it. I wear my purple duds proudly whether the weather is fair or not. I'm not ready to "freak out" or panic as they say but I am really concerned about what I've seen and not heard coming from the FO.   

 

Not against old for olds sake. I just think "Football 60" is a heckuva lot older than Non Football 60 and I'm old enough to recognize malfeasance when I see it. When the bad outweighs the good and you're definitely rebuilding....rebuild.

 

I've been a Raven fan since 2000.  I know, I know...when the going was good.  The last three years are aging me though

 

Back to Perriman........never understood it was a tear.  They never said tear, they called it a sprain PCL sprain.

 

Ok...so its torn........that's good news........its healing and he'll be back.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Danny D

[The Raven]

I just don't know. I'm ready to throw my hands up and say "Whatever." I think there's been too much analysis of this situation from many people, myself included. Perhaps I'm a bit biased since I am a nurse and work at Union Memorial, the place where athletes go for recovery and sports medicine support and actually take care of some of these athletes from time to time when they arrive. 

 

There's so many factors that could've caused this delay and drama we'll never know. I'm ready for the season to end and for 2016 to begin. This has been a cursed season. It's almost unreal what we've endured as a team. Call it bad luck or misdiagnosis or whatever we want. I think I'm done with this topic for a while or until something really concrete comes out. Too much guesswork for me, and I normally hate to guess on things like this. If it was the season, draft picks, etc, I'm good. But I'm tired of this drama and it's run its course for me. 

 

I don't know who's right and who's wrong because a lot of points make a lot of sense to me. Who knows, maybe Perriman is a beast competitor and tried to work out with it while he was hurt without the supervision of the training staff and this is why he's still hurt. I haven't a single clue. Breshad never had injury issues in college, which is why I found it strange he has this issue here. Then, I got even more concerned when I watched Harbaugh and felt like he was frustrated with Perriman, but who knows maybe he was frustrated for a different reason. Could be a lot of things. 

 

This was my guess. I know if I was a 4.2 runnin' first round WR on a WR needy team, I'd be considering this, as dumb as it is. He wouldn't be the first to make an injury worse by trying to come back to soon or working out before he should have.

[Cillmatic]

Perriman, I'm sorry. I was blinded by deceit and a bad season. Get healthy, come back and do something worth the round you were drafted in.

[Cillmatic]

Hope his speed isn't effected by this.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Cillmatic

[RavensFanOfLA]

Hope his speeds isn't effected by this.

that would be sad, pretty much the only thing we got him for