Breshad Perriman placed on IR 11/17/2015

[TuckerTime9]

Retirement press conference at 12:30

[January J]

Can't believe he's actually going to speak.

[RavensPunkXVX]

You all think it'll be ground breaking?or will he just talk about being disappointed?

[jimmypowder]

Retirement press conference at 12:30

I hope you are not serious .Boy would that be a shocker. 

[52520Andrew]

This is a good move for him, so many questions about his injury that we really need to figure out what is going on and no better person to tell it than him. Probably will not be an easy press conference but good on him for taking the time to address the media on it.

[atomicfront]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baltimore-sports-blog/bal-ravens-breshad-perriman-injury-frustrated-20151119-story.html

 

Baltimore Sun Article with timeline of quotes from Ravens Organization.

Edited November 19, 2015 by atomicfront

[The Raven]

You all think it'll be ground breaking?or will he just talk about being disappointed?

 

I think we're actually going to get something. It's not typical for the Ravens to call a 12:30 press conference for one player to speak, especially a player that's been in the headlines. Usually when they call press conferences, multiple people speak. 

[arnie_uk]

So let me get this straight you want the Ravens team doctor fired because Perriman should have been put on IR long ago so we wouldn't have to put other injured players on IR who are not much better than practice squad players? I think those guys would have ended up on IR even if Perriman was on IR all season. Like I said some people are grasping for straws.

waller had a phantom injury, camp had back spasms and would have been out a week.

That's not the issue alone. The massively got his injury wrong, if I get something badly wrong in my job I'd be fire. Players gave been cut for less.

It's a gross medical error in football terms in my book. Perfectly justifiable by a firing.

[The Raven]

Perriman says it's a partially torn PCL, doesn't think he needs surgery.

[arnie_uk]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baltimore-sports-blog/bal-ravens-breshad-perriman-injury-frustrated-20151119-story.html

Baltimore Sun Article with timeline of quotes from Ravens Organization.

harbs didn't have a damn clue what was going.

[arnie_uk]

Perriman says it's a partially torn PCL, doesn't think he needs surgery.

is that a grade 1 or 2 then? I can't watch this, as many quotes as possible please

[Tru11]

liked his press conference.

[GrimCoconut]

If his PCL is partially torn, I'm not sure why that was a national security secret the likes of which rivals NSA's classifications. Seems a bit silly to not just tell people this and leave it up to speculation. If his PCL is partially torn, I have no questions regarding his future nor any questions about his toughness. That's an injury that's slow to heal and it's not something that can just get better overnight. 

[allblackraven]

Partially torn PCL to begin with. When he re-injured it in a warmup, tear got worse than the initial one.

 

So, why all this mystery since August, I will never understand. Did they really miss it initially?

[arnie_uk]

Partially torn PCL to begin with. When he re-injured it in a warmup, tear got worse than the initial one.

So, why all this mystery since August, I will never understand. Did they really miss it initially?

they had to have, doctors said a few days from the start.

They got it horribly wrong. Imagine he then went and fully tore it in those warm ups because he came back far too soon, he'd be out another 12 months and miss some of next year as well.

[jimmypowder]

If his PCL is partially torn, I'm not sure why that was a national security secret the likes of which rivals NSA's classifications. Seems a bit silly to not just tell people this and leave it up to speculation. If his PCL is partially torn, I have no questions regarding his future nor any questions about his toughness. That's an injury that's slow to heal and it's not something that can just get better overnight. 

"Partially " torn per Perriman but it could really be very slightly torn .Big difference

And he doesn't need surgery so I'm going with very slightly torn 

[GrimCoconut]

Partially torn PCL to begin with. When he re-injured it in a warmup, tear got worse than the initial one.

 

So, why all this mystery since August, I will never understand. Did they really miss it initially?

The whole "smoke and mirrors" thing the Ravens pulled has me a bit irritated, to be honest. It's almost like they tried to make Perriman look like he was just a slow healer. I'm a bit annoyed with Harbaugh especially because he shouldn't have made those statements he did without considering the consequences. Maybe the doctors lied or deceived him, but I just find that unlikely. If they did, they should be fired on the spot. I've never heard of such a thing happening before, however, so I'm not sure the doctors did lie. Furthermore, I can't see why Dr. Andrews would also corroborate with the Ravens medical doctors. 

 

In fact, this looks more and more like the Ravens just tried to deceive its fan base. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I don't have any insight here and it's just my opinion, which perhaps is a bit skewed at the moment. Absolutely horrendous management of this situation from the Ravens. I feel bad about anything I said negatively towards Perriman and take it back. 

[allblackraven]

they had to have, doctors said a few days from the start.

They got it horribly wrong. Imagine he then went and fully tore it in those warm ups because he came back far too soon, he'd be out another 12 months and miss some of next year as well.

Yeah. Nothing against doctors, they are people, too but from now on, I imagine guys would like to hear 2nd and 3rd opinion on stuff that has implications on their future.

[allblackraven]

The whole "smoke and mirrors" thing the Ravens pulled has me a bit irritated, to be honest. It's almost like they tried to make Perriman look like he was just a slow healer. I'm a bit annoyed with Harbaugh especially because he shouldn't have made those statements he did without considering the consequences. Maybe the doctors lied or deceived him, but I just find that unlikely. If they did, they should be fired on the spot. I've never heard of such a thing happening before, however, so I'm not sure the doctors did lie. Furthermore, I can't see why Dr. Andrews would also corroborate with the Ravens medical doctors. 

 

In fact, this looks more and more like the Ravens just tried to deceive its fan base. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I don't have any insight here and it's just my opinion, which perhaps is a bit skewed at the moment. Absolutely horrendous management of this situation from the Ravens. I feel bad about anything I said negatively towards Perriman and take it back. 

Andrews saw him pretty late, I think it was couple months after the injury, so it must have healed to some degree by that time. He did saw scar at least, thus stem cell injection.

 

I really feel bad for Breshad.Went from our great hope and "1000 yard rookie" to bust, robbed of the opportunity to show what he can do.

[tcamp15]

A "sprain" is technically a partially torn ligament per WIKI:

"A sprain, also known as a torn ligament, is damage to one or more ligaments in a joint, often caused by trauma or the joint being taken beyond its functional range of motion. The severity of sprain ranges from a minor injury which resolves in a few days to a major rupture of one or more ligaments requiring surgical fixation and a period of immobilisation"

It just means that the Ligament isnt fully torn, so maybe instead of judging the doctors many people should know what a sprain is first. Obviously it wasn't serious enough to require surgery, so it was probably only a slight sprain as harbaugh first indicated.

[52520Andrew]

In fact, this looks more and more like the Ravens just tried to deceive its fan base. Maybe I'm wrong, though. I don't have any insight here and it's just my opinion, which perhaps is a bit skewed at the moment. Absolutely horrendous management of this situation from the Ravens. I feel bad about anything I said negatively towards Perriman and take it back.

Yeah I don't get what they were trying to accomplish by saying what they did. All it really does is alienate your first round pick(the guy we as fans should be excited about) from the fan base. And if the medical staff were wrong, then just say it. People make mistakes and just say it was a tough injury to diagnose. Don't get why they had to play the games they did.

[GrimCoconut]

A "sprain" is technically a partially torn ligament per WIKI:

"A sprain, also known as a torn ligament, is damage to one or more ligaments in a joint, often caused by trauma or the joint being taken beyond its functional range of motion. The severity of sprain ranges from a minor injury which resolves in a few days to a major rupture of one or more ligaments requiring surgical fixation and a period of immobilisation"

It just means that the Ligament isnt fully torn, so maybe instead of judging the doctors many people should know what a sprain is first. Obviously it wasn't serious enough to require surgery, so it was probably only a slight sprain as harbaugh first indicated.

Right, but it sounds like the sprain could be a more severe tear that originally projected. A sprain is a tear just as a strained muscle is a torn muscle. The only difference is the degree to which it is torn. Stating it's partially torn, while just as true as a saying it's sprained, could and likely does indicate a possible greater degree of tear. It's like this: while the terms are interchangeable, saying something is partially torn usually means it's torn more than a sprain and is more like an actual tear than a minor tear. 

[rmcjacket23]

Yeah. Nothing against doctors, they are people, too but from now on, I imagine guys would like to hear 2nd and 3rd opinion on stuff that has implications on their future.

We really don't know that he didn't. From what I've ready from other teams, its fairly common to get at least a second opinion from an independent doctor, and in many cases, the surgical procedures aren't performed by the team doctor.

[tcamp15]

Right, but it sounds like the sprain could be a more severe tear that originally projected. A sprain is a tear just as a strained muscle is a torn muscle. The only difference is the degree to which it is torn. Stating it's partially torn, while just as true as a saying it's sprained, could and likely does indicate a possible greater degree of tear. It's like this: while the terms are interchangeable, saying something is partially torn usually means it's torn more than a sprain and is more like an actual tear than a minor tear. 

True but was there anything from his press conference to say that it was a major tear? He also used the word partially torn without giving us a grade (I know from experience that if a PCL is torn completely for a normal man they wont even repair the injury, you just go on living without a PCL pretty much). Im sure he knows and was instructed to use the word "partially torn" because he knows the fans would be more forgiving of the term.

But never the less I had a grade 1/2 sprain last summer and was out of work or running for more than a month so im not sure why they act like this is such a minor injury. Painful to walk especially going up stairs.

Edited November 19, 2015 by tcamp15

[TDubbs]

The main thing I fear at this point is a misdiagnosis. They're saying its a partial tear that doesn't require surgery, but what happens if it doesn't heal on its own and he needs surgery come spring ... 

[arnie_uk]

True but was there anything from his press conference to say that it was a major tear? He also used the word partially torn without giving us a grade (I know from experience that if a PCL is torn completely for a normal man they wont even repair the injury, you just go on living without a PCL pretty much). Im sure he knows and was instructed to use the word "partially torn" because he knows the fans would be more forgiving of the term.

But never the less I had a grade 1/2 sprain last summer and was out of work or running for more than a month so im not sure why they act like this is such a minor injury. Painful to walk especially going up stairs.

they thought it was a minor issue because they misdiagnosed it

[tcamp15]

they thought it was a minor issue because they misdiagnosed it

Aug. 5: Harbaugh said Perriman's injury was a “sprain, bruise, tendon or whatever. ... I want him out here right now. He wants to be out there, but [the trainers] are holding him back. It’s probably smart — they’re smarter than Breshad, I know that.”

Sounds like they diagnosed it fine, probably as a grade 1 or 2 sprain which is what it is. I just dont understand the he will be back in a couple of days that harbs kept saying. Took me about 2 months to walk normally afterwards, I didnt have the medical attention that Perriman does, but still for an NFL skill position player to be back that soon after a slight tear doesnt seem realistic.

[allblackraven]

Aug. 5: Harbaugh said Perriman's injury was a “sprain, bruise, tendon or whatever. ... I want him out here right now. He wants to be out there, but [the trainers] are holding him back. It’s probably smart — they’re smarter than Breshad, I know that.”

Sounds like they diagnosed it fine, probably as a grade 1 or 2 sprain which is what it is. I just dont understand the he will be back in a couple of days that harbs kept saying. Took me about 2 months to walk normally afterwards, I didnt have the medical attention that Perriman does, but still for an NFL skill position player to be back that soon after a slight tear doesnt seem realistic.

 

That's true - Harbaugh's handling of the whole situation was pretty weird. I know he doesn't want/like/have to talk about injuries but then he should just read the official injury report or say "next question" if the report is not ready and not pull prognosis out of his backside.

[BmoreBird22]

"Perriman said that the tear in his knee got worse during warmups before Bengals game. He heard a pop in his knee."

That would be a quote from the Sun with Breshad describing what happened during the warm ups in the Bengals game. You don't usually hear a "pop" unless it's fairly serious. The fact that he doesn't need any surgery is encouraging, but I'm mad as hell at Harbaugh.

 

First, with clearly no knowledge of the situation, he says Breshad will be back in a couple of days. Then, when he's back into action prematurely for warm ups in the Bengals game and re-injures himself (or further injures it) and Harbaugh acted totally... childish in his interview after the game. A reporter asked repeatedly about the injury to Breshad during warm ups and Harbaugh replies three times by saying, "I have no idea what you're talking about." Uh, clearly you do and why you try to deflect the questions in such a serious matter is beyond me.

 

Then Harbaugh tells us there is no new injury, despite the fact that Perriman had stem cells injected into his knee. There was definitely a new injury for his PCL to "pop". 

 

Then Harbaugh keeps telling us he's so frustrated because it's one of the "all time slowest healing PCL injuries," effectively throwing Perriman under the bus and deflecting any blame from the medical staff and from himself by practicing him too early. 

 

And I don't want to pat myself on the back, but I was calling all this before it was announced today. Just happy to know that he should get more of a break with the truth out there now.
 

[Cillmatic]

complete incompetence on the teams behalf. Completely misdiagnosed the injury, gave little info, and set up the situation to make Perriman look like an injury prone bust. Very disappointed in the team.