[News] Late For Work 11/17: NFL Admits Mistake, So Why Can't Ravens' Game Result Be Reversed?

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[SSJ3FinalFlash]

Might as well give the rookies the experience and chase the number 1 draft pick. Focus on making a serious run next year.

[RavenWembley]

What i don't understand is that 95% of people watching that game knew that Jags were not set, so are the refs blind or just dumb? Also if you have a questionable call like this, when it changes the outcome of the game it should obviously be reviewable.

[rmcjacket23]

What i don't understand is that 95% of people watching that game knew that Jags were not set, so are the refs blind or just dumb? Also if you have a questionable call like this, when it changes the outcome of the game it should obviously be reviewable.

Did they? Why is it that nobody on these boards commented about the false start until AFTER it was brought to their attention by the NFL?

 

Go back and check the boards on gameday... I don't see a single person calling out the officials for the false start not being called. I think 99% of the people assumed that the play was gotten off legally.

[TheRavengers]

I remember watching on NFL Network there was mention of the 2002 playoffs where the 49ers played the Giants and won only because the refs failed to recognize that one of the players for the Giants was checked in as an eligible receiver and penalized them for it. Then the next day the league checked it and realized they got it wrong and the game should've ended differently. But sadly they didn't change things that time and they won't do it again this time.

[Bat-mite]

What i don't understand is that 95% of people watching that game knew that Jags were not set, so are the refs blind or just dumb? Also if you have a questionable call like this, when it changes the outcome of the game it should obviously be reviewable.

Best I can say is that it is a bit like being on stage in a play or a concert.  Something you have rehearsed ad nauseam and can do in your sleep; but you walk out on stage, and there is some slight distraction, and suddenly you can't remember the words/notes/movements, whatever.

 

Sitting in a seat watching is extremely low pressure compared to being on the field in that situation.  The officials were trying to watch the game clock, the play clock, the players, the line of scrimmage ... and, yeah, they choked under pressure.  But I'm just saying that it can happen to anyone, and being in the seats or in your living room is not the same as being on the field.

 

Having said that ... yeah, they screwed us and I am angry!

[WNC-Raven]

I am so sick of hearing people say "well you shouldn't have allowed the score to be so close". That is the most unintelligent quote you can say imho. The whole reason sports are fun to watch is because it is a challenge. It's the close, nail biter games that are the best games in sports history. Stadiums clear out with 5 minutes to go when the score isnt close, they change the channel. Heck, the television stations change the game they are broadcasting when it is not close at the end.

[CaliRavenFan]

Seems to me like the refs are having a lot of these "My Bad" calls. I wonder if it has anything to do with betting on games, I know its almost impossible to prove but there has to be a bigger reason behind this entire thing.

[salamander]

The NFL uses it's criteria/excuse for failing to discipline or fine the refs for an acknowledged bad call against the Ravens earlier in the season. The excuse was because the bad call did not influence the outcome of the game. Of course a bad call at any critical juncture of the game can influence the outcome but the NFL copped out and did nothing. Fast forward to the Jags game and apply the same NFL criteria whether the bad call/no call influenced the outcome of the game. This colossal blunder by the refs went beyond INFLUENCING the outcome. This one basic and huge mistake is what singularly DETERMINED the outcome. Big difference. If there was ever a game which qualified to be overturned, this is the game the NFL can clearly see directly denied a rightful win to a team. Sure, we all know that the NFL doesn't want to set a precedent and get the outcome right by overturning the decision. The NFL itself diminishes the integrity of the game to knowingly allow the wrong outcome to stand when the refs are 100% responsible for the wrong outcome of that game. How well or poorly either team played prior to that is immaterial. The game hinged on the last play. Period. Tired of these bad refs and the league's failure to deal with this league wide poor officiating problem, much less fail to at least get this outcome correct. It is not ok for the NFL to knowingly deny a victory to a team in this unique "last play" ref farce of blatant incompetence which DETERMINED the outcome..

Edited November 17, 2015 by salamander

[reed20fence]

Questionable calls and no-calls within the last 2 minutes of the half and the game should be reviewable in New York. Too many times have we now seen phantom PI and holding calls and missed blatant holding calls and false start/offside penalties that totally ruin the outcome of games.

This isn't Baseball or Basketball or hockey where if you get screwed by a ref's human error you've got 161 or 81 other chances to mitigate the risk. These guys play 16 games and each one is vital.

People say they don't want to watch longer football games. That's BS cuz those same people tune in to invest 4 hours to watch every Sunday if not 8 or 12 hours to watch games in the later slot and Sunday night football. Then again on Monday Nights. That's a horsecrap argument.

This isn't the 1960s where you can claim we don't have the technology. We can fly over the backwaters of any corner in this world and spy on people but we can't find a way to watch 22 guys playing in a stadium in the heart of America's largest metropolises? Cmon!

I get that CBS, FOX, NBC and ESPN want us to stick to the allotted slots they provide because it neatly fits their advertising templates, but you've now got serious challenges to the integrity of outcomes impacting not just smaller market teams like Baltimore, but huge market teams as well.

I can't imagine that the Rules and Competition committee don't devise ways to get more accurate and justifiable results on these contests.

No one should take for granted that people won't tune out. People will tune out if they feel that factors of incompetence outside of the athletic performances themselves are impacting outcomes and no one is doing anything to correct the errors. 

Edited November 17, 2015 by reed20fence

[stixfix69]

if you can challenge the spot of where the ball was placed, this should easily be review able as well...

[Nick04263]

Did they? Why is it that nobody on these boards commented about the false start until AFTER it was brought to their attention by the NFL?

 

Go back and check the boards on gameday... I don't see a single person calling out the officials for the false start not being called. I think 99% of the people assumed that the play was gotten off legally.

 

Agreed. I didn't even thik of it until the NFL said it. I was more hung up on hearing a whistle before the snap. Half the players on the field just stood up and thought it was over.

[Minionhunter]

Reason for no reversal of the game = Vegas Baby! Vegas!

[TheRavengers]

I was at the game and literally watched people cheering and going home as soon as the clock hit zero, and then everyone's still wondering why the players are still looking like they're about to run a play.

[bozo]

I'm getting ready to stop watching football, you wait all off season for your team to play and try to make the playoffs and than I ref has the power to change that and put u out of the playoffs I'm done.

[Minionhunter]

The reason why games are close is the NFL wants them to be close so more people watch to the very end = increased advertising revenues. Refs are told to call games so they are closer to the end if possible, and this is totally legal because the courts have rules that the NFL = entertainment and NOT a true sporting contest. Refs = paid employees of the league and they can tell them to do whatever they want. Not fair, but true look up the court case where the Jets fan sued the league and the Patriots after spygate for fixing games. Ticket = opportunity to see an entertainment game, not sporting contest. From that moment on, NFL = WWE.

[ellicottraven]

2 days after the idiotic loss, I am still astounded at how we got to 2-7 (Make it 3-10 since preseason). But, even more astounded that there are no changes being made to correct the precipitous fall.

[Minionhunter]

Did they? Why is it that nobody on these boards commented about the false start until AFTER it was brought to their attention by the NFL?

 

Go back and check the boards on gameday... I don't see a single person calling out the officials for the false start not being called. I think 99% of the people assumed that the play was gotten off legally.

 

 

Agreed. I didn't even thik of it until the NFL said it. I was more hung up on hearing a whistle before the snap. Half the players on the field just stood up and thought it was over.

 

Some people did suggest this, but I don't know about on the boards. Announcers and Harbs for sure, there was so much confusion that it kind of got lost in the peanalty and delay of game thoughts.

[bluehen]

Wow! Half way through the season and we have gone from a Super Bowl contender to a number 4 draft pick, who would have thought that?

[rmcjacket23]

The reason why games are close is the NFL wants them to be close so more people watch to the very end = increased advertising revenues. Refs are told to call games so they are closer to the end if possible, and this is totally legal because the courts have rules that the NFL = entertainment and NOT a true sporting contest. Refs = paid employees of the leage and they can tell them to do whatever they want. Not fair, but true look up the court case where the Jets fan sued the league and the Patriots after spygate for fixing games. Ticket = opportunity to see an entertainment game, not sporting contest. From that moment on, NFL = WWE.

No.

[callahan09]

Lost in all the noise of our numerous close but not close enough games that we lost this year is that a huge portion of major ref screw ups have cost us significantly in many of them. Refs giving favorable calls to one team (and it's universally been our opponent this year) is a major factor in deciding the outcome of a very close game, and all our games have been close. It's unfortunate. We just are having bad luck this year, with turnovers that usually aren't but the defenses we're playing are getting lucky "bounces" or making uncharacteristically athletic plays, with our own defense doing the exact opposite of that, the ball never bouncing their way and making bumbling butter fingers drops on otherwise "sure" takeaways. You add all this misfortune up, you lose the close games. The two games we won were basically the opposite... the misfortunes went the other way. Missed field goals and dropped opportunities for the Steelers & Chargers. It's just one of those things that makes you realize with this team, as close as we compete against everyone, it really comes down to getting the calls and fortune making the ball bounce your way, and we've been very unlucky in those regards in 7 out of 9 games so far.

[rmcjacket23]

Lost in all the noise of our numerous close but not close enough games that we lost this year is that a huge portion of major ref screw ups have cost us significantly in many of them. Refs giving favorable calls to one team (and it's universally been our opponent this year) is a major factor in deciding the outcome of a very close game, and all our games have been close. It's unfortunate. We just are having bad luck this year, with turnovers that usually aren't but the defenses we're playing are getting lucky "bounces" or making uncharacteristically athletic plays, with our own defense doing the exact opposite of that, the ball never bouncing their way and making bumbling butter fingers drops on otherwise "sure" takeaways. You add all this misfortune up, you lose the close games. The two games we won were basically the opposite... the misfortunes went the other way. Missed field goals and dropped opportunities for the Steelers & Chargers. It's just one of those things that makes you realize with this team, as close as we compete against everyone, it really comes down to getting the calls and fortune making the ball bounce your way, and we've been very unlucky in those regards in 7 out of 9 games so far.

We also play football like a 2 win team, so there's that.

[mason85]

This would all end if the fine the refs for bad calls.

[RavensFanThick&Thin]

Since the NFL won't correct was is egregiously wrong in these situations, why not make amends? Every time a ref makes an obvious mistake that has high consequences such as a win/loss why not give the team a another 6/7th round draft pick? If it's a playoff win/loss mistake - 5th rounder, If it cost a team a conference championship - 4th rounder. Now while nothing would make up for losing a SB, maybe a 2/3rd rounder?

 

Just throwin out suggestions because something has to be done if they won't correct the mistake or penalize the refs enough to make a difference. While you can say the Ravens shouldn't have been in these positions in the first place, you have to admit this year has been atrocious with the calls.

Edited November 17, 2015 by RavensFanThick&Thin

[rmcjacket23]

This would all end if the fine the refs for bad calls.

They do. They also demote, reprimand and suspend.

[rmcjacket23]

Since the NFL won't correct was is egregiously wrong in these situations, why not make amends? Every time a ref makes an obvious mistake that has high consequences such as a win/loss why not give the team a another 6/7th round draft pick? If it's a playoff win/loss mistake - 5th rounder, If it cost a team a conference championship - 4th rounder. Now while nothing would make up for losing a SB, maybe a 2/3rd rounder?

 

Just throwin out suggestions because something has to be done if they won't correct the mistake or penalize the refs enough to make a difference. While you can say the Ravens shouldn't have been in these positions in the first place, you have to admit this year has been atrocious with the calls.

Why is it that the teams complaining the most about officiating are the one's with the worst records?

[Barry S]

Reason for no reversal of the game = Vegas Baby! Vegas!

 

The money has all ready been paid, no refund in Vegas!!!!!!!!

[rmcjacket23]

The money has all ready been paid, no refund in Vegas!!!!!!!!

Not really sure the Vegas argument applies here, since the winning side of the spread bets didn't change with this outcome. 

 

Money line bets are the only thing that would have changed.

[drillem]

Keenum on Sunday, huh? Ug. That could be one tough game. We should have snagged Keenum instead of Shaub for backup last winter. Glad to see the Texans beat red haired boy wonder last night. Always glad to see the bungles get beat.

[drillem]

The money has all ready been paid, no refund in Vegas!!!!!!!!

Wonder if the refs had money on the game?  Could explain a lot.