Time to start over

[pitchblack_20]

Posted something similar on another thread...

If SSS returns, I think they sign a cheap FA veteran and likely add a mid-round WR (3rd or 4th round my guess, maybe as high as 2nd). There's no way they give up on Perriman after this season in my eyes, so I don't think a first round WR is in the cards. If SSS actually does retire, I think they'll invest a bit more into a veteran FA.

If that happens, I'd expect first round pick to be either a pass rusher or a secondary player.

In my opinion, FS and CB are really the only two positions where you can't really argue we are struggling due to injuries. We've been largely held at CB this season and we just don't have a ton of talent at FS that I see. If they consider strongly moving Webb to FS, than a corner is the right approach. If not, I think FS is a high priority.

Some of this may be able to be addressed in FA though, so hard to tell at this point. It feels to me though like they will attempt to chalk up struggles at WR and pass rush to potential injuries, though I'm sure they know they need upgrade both anyway. More talent at CB and safety to me is obvious and I can't see how they don't address it.

I agree. I was full on VH3 in the first, but I'm really starting to like the Ramsey guy, that and I'm just completely over K Lewis. Sad to say this already, but I'm excited for next season.

[rmcjacket23]

I agree. I was full on VH3 in the first, but I'm really starting to like the Ramsey guy, that and I'm just completely over K Lewis. Sad to say this already, but I'm excited for next season.

Certainly reasonable possibilities.

 

FA will tell us a lot. While I don't expect it, maybe we sign a quality safety like an Eric Weddle or somehow snag a respectable corner, and all of the sudden our secondary is largely "addressed" before the draft even starts. Granted, we did the same thing last season and it didn't work out, but who knows.

[K-Dog]

Every time I see VH3 I think its a new Van Halen album. 

[GrimCoconut]

Ozzie failed us in many ways but I've thought about this subject and he's succeeded but quietly. It seems nobody recalls the void we had at TE after we lost Pitta. People said it was the weakest position on the team, and arguably so they may have been right. In one draft Ozzie essentially fixed the group with Williams and Boyle, a TE people thought was a luxury pick. This is just their rookie years, too. Imagine what they'll do with competent WR around them in their second year with Gillmore entering his third.

Ozzie didn't panic and sign an average or inflated free agent at the position. He fixed it quietly and with much criticism but all his picks there worked out recently in Gillmore, Williams and Boyle.

We have Perriman, Waller, Smith Sr and Campanaro-- guys coming off injury or possibly considering retirement entering next year. That's a decent group of talent, so I think we'll likely add a free agent WR and draft a guy or two and bring back Aiken to compete. He's done well in a role that I think is too big for him. He'll be a good third option.

I don't see why we can't fix WR like we have TE. It's true that Ozzie hasn't found the best WR and he's churned out legitimate TE, but he's only really had two TE really become something in Heap and Pitta. Gillmore looks great but it's hard to say he's arrived just yet.

I'm optimistic about next year. I'm not saying that we'll be fixed but I think this year could well be an anomaly of perfect storms.

[Tru11]

Ozzie failed us in many ways but I've thought about this subject and he's succeeded but quietly. It seems nobody recalls the void we had at TE after we lost Pitta. People said it was the weakest position on the team, and arguably so they may have been right. In one draft Ozzie essentially fixed the group with Williams and Boyle, a TE people thought was a luxury pick. This is just their rookie years, too. Imagine what they'll do with competent WR around them in their second year with Gillmore entering his third.

Ozzie didn't panic and sign an average or inflated free agent at the position. He fixed it quietly and with much criticism but all his picks there worked out recently in Gillmore, Williams and Boyle.

We have Perriman, Waller, Smith Sr and Campanaro-- guys coming off injury or possibly considering retirement entering next year. That's a decent group of talent, so I think we'll likely add a free agent WR and draft a guy or two and bring back Aiken to compete. He's done well in a role that I think is too big for him. He'll be a good third option.

I don't see why we can't fix WR like we have TE. It's true that Ozzie hasn't found the best WR and he's churned out legitimate TE, but he's only really had two TE really become something in Heap and Pitta. Gillmore looks great but it's hard to say he's arrived just yet.

I'm optimistic about next year. I'm not saying that we'll be fixed but I think this year could well be an anomaly of perfect storms.

 

also keep in mind how 2013 the o-line was our weakest point and has been a strength with good depth since then.

 

the thing many dont realize is that its impossible to be stacked everywhere.

 

when he tries to build up 1 position he will have to neglect another position and when an injury happens [profanity deleted] hits the fan.

 

its really impossible to have quality and depth everywhere.

[usmccharles]

Ozzie failed us in many ways but I've thought about this subject and he's succeeded but quietly. It seems nobody recalls the void we had at TE after we lost Pitta. People said it was the weakest position on the team, and arguably so they may have been right. In one draft Ozzie essentially fixed the group with Williams and Boyle, a TE people thought was a luxury pick. This is just their rookie years, too. Imagine what they'll do with competent WR around them in their second year with Gillmore entering his third.

Ozzie didn't panic and sign an average or inflated free agent at the position. He fixed it quietly and with much criticism but all his picks there worked out recently in Gillmore, Williams and Boyle.

We have Perriman, Waller, Smith Sr and Campanaro-- guys coming off injury or possibly considering retirement entering next year. That's a decent group of talent, so I think we'll likely add a free agent WR and draft a guy or two and bring back Aiken to compete. He's done well in a role that I think is too big for him. He'll be a good third option.

I don't see why we can't fix WR like we have TE. It's true that Ozzie hasn't found the best WR and he's churned out legitimate TE, but he's only really had two TE really become something in Heap and Pitta. Gillmore looks great but it's hard to say he's arrived just yet.

I'm optimistic about next year. I'm not saying that we'll be fixed but I think this year could well be an anomaly of perfect storms.

OK, I might get a lot of negs for what im about to say, but im just being objective, or at least i think i am. 

 

Let me start by saying i was a fan of Pitta and was excited to see what he could turn into, that being said, he only had one good year and i think a lot of the love fest for him was becuase it was our SuperBowl year and how important he was in that run.  Now, 670 yards and 7TDs is nothing to downplay, that was his third year in the league.  Also, 163 yards and 3 TDs in the post season in our Superbowl run. 

 

Gilmoore is in his second year and is on pace for 640 yards and 8 TDs if extended for 16 games.  SO we are already getting basically the exact same production from Gilmoore that we got fom Pitta in his best year, and honestly i think Gilmoore would have finished with more yards if he played the full 16 games.  You can bring up the point that we have no receiving options and that is obviously a fair point. 

 

So, in conclusion:  Maybe Pitta wasn't as good as we thought he was, or maybe Gilmoore is just better than we expected.   This is basically nonsense and a reason for me to sit here and type at work to stay awake, just stating an objective view point

[Guest]

OK, I might get a lot of negs for what im about to say, but im just being objective, or at least i think i am. 

 

Let me start by saying i was a fan of Pitta and was excited to see what he could turn into, that being said, he only had one good year and i think a lot of the love fest for him was becuase it was our SuperBowl year and how important he was in that run.  Now, 670 yards and 7TDs is nothing to downplay, that was his third year in the league.  Also, 163 yards and 3 TDs in the post season in our Superbowl run. 

 

Gilmoore is in his second year and is on pace for 640 yards and 8 TDs if extended for 16 games.  SO we are already getting basically the exact same production from Gilmoore that we got fom Pitta in his best year, and honestly i think Gilmoore would have finished with more yards if he played the full 16 games.  You can bring up the point that we have no receiving options and that is obviously a fair point. 

 

So, in conclusion:  Maybe Pitta wasn't as good as we thought he was, or maybe Gilmoore is just better than we expected.   This is basically nonsense and a reason for me to sit here and type at work to stay awake, just stating an objective view point

 

You have to give Oz credit for the Tight Ends.  It's probably our deepest position. Maybe deepest around the entire league.  Pitta had great hands. I can't make a solid statement about the new TE's, but also can't call them out for dropping. Time will tell.

 

Still......we are deep at Tight End. Is that really where you want to be deepest?  What's going on here?

[Ravens4Real]

I really hope none of you are putting in any faith of Campenero being a viable option at receiver next year. Can't go into another season counting on guys that get hurt blowing their nose.

[usmccharles]

You have to give Oz credit for the Tight Ends.  It's probably our deepest position. Maybe deepest around the entire league.  Pitta had great hands. I can't make a solid statement about the new TE's, but also can't call them out for dropping. Time will tell.

 

Still......we are deep at Tight End. Is that really where you want to be deepest?  What's going on here?

Oh i do give him credit.  Tight End is easily not a need for us for awhile and im fine with that.  I was just stating how i dont think we will miss Pitta as much.  I was rambling. 

[GrimCoconut]

OK, I might get a lot of negs for what im about to say, but im just being objective, or at least i think i am.

Let me start by saying i was a fan of Pitta and was excited to see what he could turn into, that being said, he only had one good year and i think a lot of the love fest for him was becuase it was our SuperBowl year and how important he was in that run. Now, 670 yards and 7TDs is nothing to downplay, that was his third year in the league. Also, 163 yards and 3 TDs in the post season in our Superbowl run.

Gilmoore is in his second year and is on pace for 640 yards and 8 TDs if extended for 16 games. SO we are already getting basically the exact same production from Gilmoore that we got fom Pitta in his best year, and honestly i think Gilmoore would have finished with more yards if he played the full 16 games. You can bring up the point that we have no receiving options and that is obviously a fair point.

So, in conclusion: Maybe Pitta wasn't as good as we thought he was, or maybe Gilmoore is just better than we expected. This is basically nonsense and a reason for me to sit here and type at work to stay awake, just stating an objective view point

Maybe. I thought Pitta looked great even on his rookie year. I liked what I saw from him more than Dickson. That said, if anything it only proves that Ozzie can fix positions and has. When he commits to fixing something it usually gets fixed.

[thieverycorporation]

Maybe. I thought Pitta looked great even on his rookie year. I liked what I saw from him more than Dickson. That said, if anything it only proves that Ozzie can fix positions and has. When he commits to fixing something it usually gets fixed.

I understand the positives about post/observations but I don't understand the un willingness to address the receiver needs. Sure you can't fix them all in one season. However the lack of attention in that area continues to haunt them. Several years have passed without beneficial results. Knowing you have players that most likely aren't capable to sustain us, has hurt us. Due to past performances it became painfully obvious. I applaud his efforts in many area's but I can't say the same thing about this one. The same things are occurring in the cornerbacks category. Key roles on any winning team. Kendrick's play has been far below his salary. Brooks can't see the field as reported because of mental lapses and he's been here far to long for that. Webb's replacement isn't even in the pipeline. Jimmy's regression is apparent with his injury history taking a toll. It just of late that they're starting to infuse acquisitions that address the need to develop behind players noted problem area's. Reactive mode, instead of pro active mode. Sure the man hits some out of the park, but the constants remain. It's in part due to the business side of the Nfl.  My impression is that they over value some positions and under estimate others. You not even relatively sure what you'll get in the seventh round in a Campanaro. And he had to trade back into it to get him. I like the project aspect of picks but not at key/obvious positions. Tightends in todays NFL play a limited role. Completing the picture would certainly help. Perriman will probably help but value and need/BPA can co-exist. Another thing that irks the hell of me is they bring these great propects in, tip their hand, and whiff on making the selection. Why announce to the world that you have high interest in him and standpat when selection time comes around. That's ridiculous. 

Edited November 20, 2015 by thieverycorporation

[Militant X 1]

I never got the animosity exhibited in this place whenever someone used the word "rebuild" for the Ravens.  Smh! 

 

Guess it all depends upon which part of the definition of the word you're focused on....

 

1. to repair, especially to dismantle and reassemble with new parts.

2. to replace, restrengthen, or reinforce:

3. to revise, reshape, or reorganize:

 

I think that perhaps many here are focused on the first definition with the word "dismantle" whenever they hear the word "rebuild".  However, my focus is on the second definition of the word.  IMO, the Ravens do need to "replace," some positions in order to "restrengthen" them which will "reinforce" our team as a whole going forward.  That's "rebuilding" to me!  I'm all for that!

 

GO RAVENS!

Edited November 20, 2015 by Militant X 1

[Purple_ICE 81]

Where's Trey Wingo when you need him...#OverreactionMonday

No need to rebuild, no need to panic.

Just recuperate, recover, and reload.

Edited November 20, 2015 by Purple_ICE 81

[PurpleCity5]

I honestly believe this isn't a bad team. I think we'll sign 2 or 3 starting caliber players and we'll do some work in the draft with picking early. That should help us get back to contention. I honestly feel that our biggest hurdle will be with injuries and how we deal with them. 

[harfordravenfan]

With the expection of flacco, ozzie, and harbaugh. Everyone must be reevaluated and either cut or take a pay reduction. This is unacceptable, 2-7 is not something to tolerate, top 5 draft is not something to tolerate. Everyone better watch out, the hard drive is being wiped and cleaned and being reset to factory settings. Time to clean and trim the fat, enough it enough. We have seen everything this team has to offer. Time to cut ties, time to nuke the hard drive, time purge the virus. I think you get the point, how much more of this team do we need to see before we do this seriously?. How many people here feel the same. 

 

I don't

 

key injuries set us back the past 2 years (this on mostly), we have young talent and will bounce back quickly IMO