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[jboy19]

Why is that? It's your preference, so I won't attack it, I'm just curious as to why you've fallen off on Stanley. I think he's an elite prospect and a franchise LT. I'm just curious, maybe I can look over Stanley and we can see eye-to-eye.

 

I still currently think Stanley is a top 10 pick because he is so athletic and is the best pure pass-blocker in the draft class this year. It's a bit more of a personal thing. I thought he lost his match up against Lawson (Clemson) and got pushed around a little bit too much. I'll have a stronger opinion of his play when I can watch the Michigan State game (I think his match up against Shilique Calhoun will be really telling). I haven't watched a ton of Stanley to be completely honest though, so I'm definitely open to your analysis of him.

 

It just seems to me like this really athletic tackles have had some problems recently with guys like Fisher, Joeckel, Matthews, Kalil and Greg Robinson struggling so much. I know most analysts are not really high on his run blocking, but I want to know what sets Stanley apart from those guys. I'd definitely appreciate if you could tell me. 

[GrimCoconut]

I still currently think Stanley is a top 10 pick because he is so athletic and is the best pure pass-blocker in the draft class this year. It's a bit more of a personal thing. I thought he lost his match up against Lawson (Clemson) and got pushed around a little bit too much. I'll have a stronger opinion of his play when I can watch the Michigan State game (I think his match up against Shilique Calhoun will be really telling). I haven't watched a ton of Stanley to be completely honest though, so I'm definitely open to your analysis of him.

It just seems to me like this really athletic tackles have had some problems recently with guys like Fisher, Joeckel, Matthews, Kalil and Greg Robinson struggling so much. I know most analysts are not really high on his run blocking, but I want to know what sets Stanley apart from those guys. I'd definitely appreciate if you could tell me.

If I'm being honest, Stanley is a technician and less like those names you mentioned. If any tackle is like those other names it's Tunsil. Fwiw I actually really like Tunsil, too.

[January J]

Not that i dont love your mindset here and would love to have what your saying, I dont see any way we can land fournette, its just not going to happen.  Gurley went 10 while be injured, I honestly see Foursette going top which i know hasnt happend since Trent Richardson, but Fournette is another animal.  But we can dream right....

if we trade back in this upcoming draft and get an extra first round pick the following year it all depends on what the team we trade with does- anything can happen. If they happen to lose 10 games and we get a top 7pick or so it's certainly possible. We're not usually that lucky but we have to ge lucky sooner or late right? Yeah maybe not.

[jboy19]

If I'm being honest, Stanley is a technician and less like those names you mentioned. If any tackle is like those other names it's Tunsil. Fwiw I actually really like Tunsil, too.

 

I really do need to watch some more of the OL in this class. I have been watching mostly WR, Pass Rushers, and DBs this year. OL evaluation has never been my strong suit in the past though. Couple years ago, I full-heartedly believed that Luke Joeckel was the next Joe Thomas. 

[usmccharles]

if we trade back in this upcoming draft and get an extra first round pick the following year it all depends on what the team we trade with does- anything can happen. If they happen to lose 10 games and we get a top 7pick or so it's certainly possible. We're not usually that lucky but we have to ge lucky sooner or late right? Yeah maybe not.

This is where i was going with this.  I know its a long ways away, but not too sure how many top prospects will be in that draft.  I know what your saying, but honestly i dont think we get anyone to trade up with us.  Rams, Texans, 9ers, Lions maybe, im sure there is a couple more that could try to make  push for a qb.  If we did get a trade partner, then we could use that first round and our first round that year to move up is what im guessing your saying, im actually all for this but i know its not a typical Oz move, he would rather have 400 draft picks

[redlobster]

1. Hargreaves

2. Ramsey

3. Stanley

4. Bosa

 

or the ravens trade down and select Jaylon Smith :-)

Edited November 18, 2015 by redlobster

[Jamal]

Bosa is probably a lock for the top 3, so if we start winning some games, we might not even get a shot at him.

[Inqui]

Not that i dont love your mindset here and would love to have what your saying, I dont see any way we can land fournette, its just not going to happen.  Gurley went 10 while be injured, I honestly see Foursette going top which i know hasnt happend since Trent Richardson, but Fournette is another animal.  But we can dream right....

Yeah, I've been saying it's mostly a pipe dream in the other thread. But if we end up trading with SF or NO for their 2017 first, there's no reason to think they wouldn't suck enough next year as well to end up with a pick in the top 10. There are other ways to get a franchise RB, but dreams are free and a running game with Fournette and an upgraded line would do the world of good for Joe.

[Inqui]

I said this same thing. It might be time to adapt to the league and build a bully on offense like we had for years on defense. If the offense scored more points & didn't go 3 & out as much as they have, we may have won games despite our defense. Perhaps the offense could sustain drives and score points & keep our defense off the field, leaving them well-rested and perhaps more effective almost like another Colts team when Manning led them, but with more offensive talent outside the QB. 

 

Not saying we give up on defense. That'll never happen. 

Yeah, I think it was you that got me onto the thought of going more all-in on Joe like that. I can't remember if you mentioned the running game, but I think that'd be the easier way to make us a contender again, as opposed to retooling the entire defensive side (where we need at least one more edge guy and a couple of secondary guys, and with Jimmy and Webb not getting any younger that could very well start to become a case of treading water).

 

I think my model for that would be closer to the Cowboys, but with a more dynamic defence (we've still got playmakers in the front seven, and Jimmy, Hill and Webb are still better than anyone in their secondary not named Barry Church); or the other team would be the Jets, but with a much better QB at the expense of the stifling secondary (Joe with that kind of supporting cast could be close to 9-0 imo, and outside the WRs we're not THAT far a step down offensively).

Edited November 18, 2015 by Inqui

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah, I think it was you that got me onto the thought of going more all-in on Joe like that. I can't remember if you mentioned the running game, but I think that'd be the easier way to make us a contender again, as opposed to retooling the entire defensive side (where we need at least one more edge guy and a couple of secondary guys, and with Jimmy and Webb not getting any younger that could very well start to become a case of treading water).

 

I think my model for that would be closer to the Cowboys, but with a more dynamic defence (we've still got playmakers in the front seven, and Jimmy, Hill and Webb are still better than anyone in their secondary not named Barry Church); or the other team would be the Jets, but with a much better QB at the expense of the stifling secondary (Joe with that kind of supporting cast could be close to 9-0 imo, and outside the WRs we're not THAT far a step down offensively).

To add, I think the offense getting off the field too many times is a huge problem. Against Jacksonville, I noticed that our pass rush looked gassed at times. I mean they were just out of breath. I look at our 3rd down conversion rate on offense and it isn't good. I think staying on the field there will contribute to a better defense. 

 

I think building an offensive juggernaut is the way to go now, there's too many advantages for it.  

[Moderator 3]

To add, I think the offense getting off the field too many times is a huge problem. Against Jacksonville, I noticed that our pass rush looked gassed at times. I mean they were just out of breath. I look at our 3rd down conversion rate on offense and it isn't good. I think staying on the field there will contribute to a better defense. 

 

I think building an offensive juggernaut is the way to go now, there's too many advantages for it.

Yet TOP was pretty even and we were over 57% on 3rd downs. If the defense was gassed, they need to work on their conditioning.

[PurpleCity5]

Yet TOP was pretty even and we were over 57% on 3rd downs. If the defense was gassed, they need to work on their conditioning.

I noticed this later on down into the game, specifically the 2nd half, basically when the turnover barrage began. A lot of defenses will get gassed after after having to be on the field that many times. It was four straight turnovers, your defense will be playing a lot of snaps in that sequence. 

[ravensnation5220]

Tbh i think ramsey would be the best bet. Hes amazing when givin space at free safety which really is what this defense needs, a rangy free safety and i think it will match with will hill. They would really compliment each other, and his versatility is probably what makes him so hard to pass up. No other db matches up with what he can do all over the feild, he may not be the best corner but he is a monster in the press and should be solid as long as you give him help over the top.

Now i really want us taking another corner on top of ramsey early and theres been a lot of buzz about DESMOND KING from iowa, he leads the country in picks and is really overlooked because he lacks the size and athleticism but this kid has a knack for getting his hands on the ball and i see a lot of effort and hard work behind his play. Just watch

[Mt. Crushmore]

Of the listed players Bosa would be BPA imo.

[Kid87]

Do we go running back with forsets injury? I like Ezekiel Elliot. But Hargreaves from Florida and the saftey from Miami is good too.

[usmccharles]

Do we go running back with forsets injury? I like Ezekiel Elliot. But Hargreaves from Florida and the saftey from Miami is good too.

i dont think his injury changes any draft strategy as he will be healthy when next season is here.  If BPA is a rb...then we would take him imo, but hopefully not in the first.   We do have Allen and LT and both look decent so not sure if i would consider it a need

[Ravens2343]

i dont think his injury changes any draft strategy as he will be healthy when next season is here.  If BPA is a rb...then we would take him imo, but hopefully not in the first.   We do have Allen and LT and both look decent so not sure if i would consider it a need

 

With so many other areas of need I cannot see us going RB any higher then round 4.  Forsett should be good to go by training camp and like you said we have Allen (who has looked really good the last few games).  Taliaferro will have to battle it out with West who should now get some opportunities and Mosertt has looked good at kick returns and might get some carries now

[January J]

Do we go running back with forsets injury? I like Ezekiel Elliot. But Hargreaves from Florida and the saftey from Miami is good too.

if he falls in the 2nd maybe

[ravefan52]

Do we go running back with forsets injury? I like Ezekiel Elliot. But Hargreaves from Florida and the saftey from Miami is good too.

If Elliot fell to the 2nd I would definitely consider him. Forsett's injury should just heal up and not affect his running ability. I think we like what we have with him, Buck, Taliaferro and even West. So unless it's Elliot I don't really see it this year.

[RaineV1]

Given what Allen has shown he can do, I don't think the Ravens have to really worry about RB in the first three rounds. Keep trying to improve the o-line play and Forsett, Allen, and West will be fine. Though if a good one from a small school or one that just got overlooked falls to our 4th round pick, then sure. It's just that we don't have to use a high pick on one.

[PurpleCity5]

Id have to say Joey Bosa right now, but that's because I feel that we're projected to finish in the top 5. I feel that we'll be in that top 3 range which I where I feel we'll find Bosa. 

 

If we do finish better than what we're projected, then I feel that Vernon Hargreaves III would be a Raven. 

Edited November 24, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Mt. Crushmore]

Do we go running back with forsets injury? I like Ezekiel Elliot. But Hargreaves from Florida and the saftey from Miami is good too.

 

His injury shouldn't really change anything. He is obviously out for the season, but broken bones aren't like ligament injuries where it can linger into the next season. He should be fine for 2016, assuming no post-surgery infections. 

[Maryland]

I think I'm fully on the Tank for Tunsil Train. 

 

If last week isn't enough to convince you of how bad our situation at LT is... 

 

This year (2015), he left early in 3 games (DEN, AZ, STL), missed 3 games outright, and played in 3 full games.

Last year (2014), he left early in 1 game (HOU), missed 7 games outright (inc. playoffs), and played in 10 full games.

His first year (2013), he played in every game before signing his big deal. 

 

I would just like to get a cornerstone LT and not have to worry about protecting Flacco's blindside for another 10 years or so. No one is going to toss Tunsil into Joe's knee like a ragdoll either (that was Hurst, who also should be upgraded). 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think I'm fully on the Tank for Tunsil Train. 

 

If last week isn't enough to convince you of how bad our situation at LT is... 

 

This year (2015), he left early in 3 games (DEN, AZ, STL), missed 3 games outright, and played in 3 full games.

Last year (2014), he left early in 1 game (HOU), missed 7 games outright (inc. playoffs), and played in 10 full games.

His first year (2013), he played in every game before signing his big deal. 

 

I would just like to get a cornerstone LT and not have to worry about protecting Flacco's blindside for another 10 years or so. No one is going to toss Tunsil into Joe's knee like a ragdoll either (that was Hurst, who also should be upgraded). 

this is how im looking at it. there is no better way to secure the future of this team, than to make sure our own teammates dont get tipped over with ease into our qb's ACL... flacco finally having a real deal LT will take a huge load off of his shoulders and allow him to play at a comfort level hes never felt before, you cant put a price on that

[Orange_Peanut]

People forget how the great Ravens defense was built back in the day. It all started in the middle out. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were the centrepieces but now those days have come and gone. We have a pretty good MLB in Mosley who is doing his thing conducting the front 7. All we are missing is the centrepiece of the secondary, which I think will be Jalen Ramsey playing safety. The guy has a demeanor about him that spells don't throw the ball or get knocked out. Ramsey is the missing piece to the great traditional Ravens defense we have all come to know. Ramsey or nothing.

[FastEddie]

People forget how the great Ravens defense was built back in the day. It all started in the middle out. Ray Lewis and Ed Reed were the centrepieces but now those days have come and gone. We have a pretty good MLB in Mosley who is doing his thing conducting the front 7. All we are missing is the centrepiece of the secondary, which I think will be Jalen Ramsey playing safety. The guy has a demeanor about him that spells don't throw the ball or get knocked out. Ramsey is the missing piece to the great traditional Ravens defense we have all come to know. Ramsey or nothing.

 

I'm with you, but I don't see Ramsey going until 6-8 which won't be where we end up. If anything I think we finish at #3 with Bosa as BPA and filling need for pass rush.

 

Would much rather go with Grim's theory with the #1 pick trading with Cleveland for Joe Thomas and moving back a few spots, but cant see that happening unless the stars align...

[PurpleCity5]

I'm with you, but I don't see Ramsey going until 6-8 which won't be where we end up. If anything I think we finish at #3 with Bosa as BPA and filling need for pass rush.

Would much rather go with Grim's theory with the #1 pick trading with Cleveland for Joe Thomas and moving back a few spots, but cant see that happening unless the stars align...

By trading for Thomas do you mean swapping picks while getting Joe Thomas? Didn't Cleveland demand for a first round pick for Joe Thomas?

[FastEddie]

By trading for Thomas do you mean swapping picks while getting Joe Thomas? Didn't Cleveland demand for a first round pick for Joe Thomas?

 

Yea

[PurpleCity5]

Yea

Wow, I would def. do that. Getting Thomas and potentially Hargreaves would be insane. I cannot believe in a haul like that. I guess we would have to see how Eugene Monroe can do at guard. 

[January J]

I'm with you, but I don't see Ramsey going until 6-8 which won't be where we end up. If anything I think we finish at #3 with Bosa as BPA and filling need for pass rush.

 

Would much rather go with Grim's theory with the #1 pick trading with Cleveland for Joe Thomas and moving back a few spots, but cant see that happening unless the stars align...

I'm thinking we go bosa, Boyd, bell. Triple B's. Move Webb to safety permanently. Boom. All problems addressed in 3 rounds. Though a LT would be cool too, but not a necessity.