[News] NFL Spokesman: Ravens Should Have Won

[stixfix69]

Goes back to Harbs stating refs need training camp as well, as the missed calls are pretty much basic calls, that are made throughout games across the league....But all we can do is play on....

[TheRavengers]

It's too bad no one will want trestman after this season

No one will want our offensive or defensive coordinators because they're play doesn't do that well. Remember how after we fired Cam in our Super Bowl year he went to LSU (where he's arguably happier I guess). 

[Ravens Raver]

No one will want our offensive or defensive coordinators because they're play doesn't do that well. Remember how after we fired Cam in our Super Bowl year he went to LSU (where he's arguably happier I guess). 

 

I made the same point yesterday on another story. In 2012 we were 9-5 and still fired Cam. Now we're 2-7 and making lots of excuses. Goes to show how far our standards have fallen. We will never get back to the top by tolerating bad play again and again from the same people.

[rmcjacket23]

I made the same point yesterday on another story. In 2012 we were 9-5 and still fired Cam. Now we're 2-7 and making lots of excuses. Goes to show how far our standards have fallen. We will never get back to the top by tolerating bad play again and again from the same people.

Right... it makes more sense to fire them at 9-5, because you think that change is what's separating the team from being a contender or not.

 

Nobody realistically thinks firing Dean Pees means we will win 5 or 6 games down the stretch, because we simply don't have that kind of talent and everybody knows this by now.

 

You can fire him, but you'll keep the same type of system and theories in place with whoever replaces him (since it will be an internal replacement), and then you're just hiring somebody else next season. 

 

As fans on these boards would say, "it doesn't hurt" to fire him, but as usual, it also doesn't help to fire him either.

[Ravensfansince03]

"NFL Spokesman: Ravens should have won"

I think any Ravens fan could have told you that.

[Purple Dawg 96]

Gotta stop sniveling and whining the Ravens could kept the ball and put it away! STOP depending on the Defense so much Ray Lewis and Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeed are gone and they are starting over its the "OFFENSE" turn to carry this team, why not the Defense has done it since day one! #1 pick in the draft should be a QB and taken very seriously because Joe is coming up "SHOTE" and it's getting out of control and throwing our Super Bowl away last season makes this season hurt even more! Red me up but I've been on his side since day one but "numbers don't lie" and he isn't hurt! I'm sorry but big ben out performed Joe on a bad foot Sunday!

[The Mom Gene]

I'm not sure that we are "tolerating bad play again and again" from anyone.  I think we are making good with the players we have right now and trying to get through an off season.

[RavenManiac#7]

The refs told Lewis if he catch the interception they'll call him on illegally making a good play, those darn refs. I hear they told Flacco if he doesn't turn the ball over at least three times that they would allow late hits on him and horse collar tackles outside of the pocket. The NFL front office are gangsters...

State your sources for these claims. If you can't do that, you shouldn't have made them.

[Ravensfansince03]

No one will want our offensive or defensive coordinators because they're play doesn't do that well. Remember how after we fired Cam in our Super Bowl year he went to LSU (where he's arguably happier I guess). 

 

We just have a lack of playmakers. And a huge lack of leadership on the field.

 

Doesn't matter if your a defensive or offensive coach, your nothing without players that can go out and make plays. We used to have a defense that would make any coach look good.

[The Mom Gene]

Right... it makes more sense to fire them at 9-5, because you think that change is what's separating the team from being a contender or not.

 

Nobody realistically thinks firing Dean Pees means we will win 5 or 6 games down the stretch, because we simply don't have that kind of talent and everybody knows this by now.

 

You can fire him, but you'll keep the same type of system and theories in place with whoever replaces him (since it will be an internal replacement), and then you're just hiring somebody else next season. 

 

As fans on these boards would say, "it doesn't hurt" to fire him, but as usual, it also doesn't help to fire him either.

...and honestly???  The defense played pretty darned good the other day.  You're correct Jacket, firing Pees does nothing to correct the problem we have right now.

[RavensInNC]

The refs also cost us the game against Oakland, and probably against Arizona as well. We should be 5-4, or 4-5 at worst. If the games were called accurately this year, the Ravens would be a playoff team, or at least have a pretty good chance at getting in. Sometimes you have to overcome an unfair disadvantage and win anyway, and this year's team has obviously not been able to get that done.

 

How about 1st game of the season on the final when the ball was thrown into the endzone and no PI was called and the ball was intercepted. Then the Oakland game when pretty much the same play where we picked off the ball and they called PI on us and negated it.

 

We have lost all of our games by such a small margin that we would be undefeated right now even with as bad as we are playing if 1 or 2 calls were called more consistently. 

[RavensInNC]

I do not agree with John on this one. If you don't care about the officiating it will never get any better it will only get worse if that is possible. I feel like the Ravens have been targeted by officials. I wish CBS would show all the penalties that are called their broadcast. The other thing I think is being overlooked is I think they spotted the ball incorrectly on the last play I think they gave them 5 extra yards.

 

I was thinking that they got extra yardage too. If it was 15 yard penalty from the Browns 45 (opposite side of the 50). Then the ball was placed on the Ravens 40. So it would have made it a 57 yard field goal and not a 53 yard attempt. I understand it is the end of the game but the Ref's need to work for 60 minutes a game too.

[kmspears65]

So why when a player makes a play that is unacceptable, he's flagged, fined, and in some cases suspended; however when the referee's make the calls, all they have to do is apologize and say "oops - sorry you should have won". I realize the goal is to make the game safer but I have to say the number of flags thrown this year is crazy. Can we just play football? In regards to the bad calls, how about some repercussions especially when it determines the outcome of the game. In addition, while I'm on the soap box - if a ref is going to make a call for pass interference, or any other type of call - it needs to be consistent. In watching the games this year, it's clear in some games the refs are showing partiality and not being consistent.

[Jokerraven]

When the officiating is deciding the outcome of games something needs to be done . The outcome of the game should be reversed and the ravens given the win but Im' not going to hold my breath!

[rmcjacket23]

When the officiating is deciding the outcome of games something needs to be done . The outcome of the game should be reversed and the ravens given the win but Im' not going to hold my breath!

Amongst hundreds of other plays that determine the outcome of the game...

 

Lets reverse them all!

[January J]

They won't change it because of Vegas, the real power behind the NFL throne.

yep- too much money has already been exchanged.

[RavensInNC]

They won't change it because of Vegas, the real power behind the NFL throne.

 

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! There is no way to change the outcome of the game because the bets have been paid out already. NFL is in the pocket of Vegas and any other gambling institution. 

[sticks999]

I would like to see reversible calls reversed. This is one of them. There should be a president for such things, but never has been. A shame. That being said, when a team needs things like this fixed in order to win a very winnable game, there are problems. We have put ourselves in this situation all year. So when that happens too many times ( which it has ) there are other problems. That is what must be corrected, personal yes, coaching yes, head coaching??

[rmcjacket23]

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! There is no way to change the outcome of the game because the bets have been paid out already. NFL is in the pocket of Vegas and any other gambling institution. 

Just so we are clear, the only bets it would effect were money line bets, which aren't nearly as prevalent. 

 

Jacksonville covered the spread regardless of whether they win or lose by 1, so bets made against the spread are not affected.

[January J]

Can anyone confirm if the ball was actually placed 5 yards closer? If anything that is even more egregious than the false start non call. Really we should have never let it get to that point but still. It they overturned this one they would have to go back and overturn the Seattle Detroit game as well.

Everything happens for a reason, and this one awful season might just give us the draft position to select the future cornerstone of this team.

[The Mom Gene]

I disagree here...  a precedent needs to be set, refs need to be punished, and "a game" needs to be corrected.  If for no other reason to tell the fans, that spend all this money, put all this revenue into the cities and the pockets of owners, players, and the like, that this isn't and won't be tolerated.

 

Mike and Mike were saying this today.  That people lose jobs over wins and losses.  You guys have said it yourselves.  Fire Pees, Fire Harbaugh..  Have there been a BAZILLION mistakes this season???  Absolutely.

 

But to put a game in the hands of a referee that can determine the outcome of ANY GAME, not just ours, isn't right.  I always go back to the integrity of the game...  and if you look around the league this season ALONE, let along last season, and the playoffs last year...  you'll find that the referees are just way sub-par.

[The Mom Gene]

...and January J....  The Green Bay Seattle game last playoff season...

 

But at some point, the league has to say "We've seen enough"...  You guys cannot determine outcomes of games like this.

 

WAY TOO MANY flags are flying in EVERY game this year.

[Jokerraven]

Amongst hundreds of other plays that determine the outcome of the game...

 

Lets reverse them all!I

I think we both know what I meant . The officials extended the game to ensure a jaguars victory. The whole thing was ridiculous it didn't matter that we were flagged for a facemask penalty the game should have been over at that point.

[Jokerraven]

I disagree here...  a precedent needs to be set, refs need to be punished, and "a game" needs to be corrected.  If for no other reason to tell the fans, that spend all this money, put all this revenue into the cities and the pockets of owners, players, and the like, that this isn't and won't be tolerated.

 

Mike and Mike were saying this today.  That people lose jobs over wins and losses.  You guys have said it yourselves.  Fire Pees, Fire Harbaugh..  Have there been a BAZILLION mistakes this season???  Absolutely.

 

But to put a game in the hands of a referee that can determine the outcome of ANY GAME, not just ours, isn't right.  I always go back to the integrity of the game...  and if you look around the league this season ALONE, let along last season, and the playoffs last year...  you'll find that the referees are just way sub-par.

Well said.

[Bat-mite]

I disagree here...  a precedent needs to be set, refs need to be punished, and "a game" needs to be corrected.  If for no other reason to tell the fans, that spend all this money, put all this revenue into the cities and the pockets of owners, players, and the like, that this isn't and won't be tolerated.

 

Mike and Mike were saying this today.  That people lose jobs over wins and losses.  You guys have said it yourselves.  Fire Pees, Fire Harbaugh..  Have there been a BAZILLION mistakes this season???  Absolutely.

 

But to put a game in the hands of a referee that can determine the outcome of ANY GAME, not just ours, isn't right.  I always go back to the integrity of the game...  and if you look around the league this season ALONE, let along last season, and the playoffs last year...  you'll find that the referees are just way sub-par.

So what's your suggestion?  How do they fix this?

 

Obviously they won't replay the game, and monetary compensation really isn't the point.  Perhaps the number of game-changing blown calls could play into your draft status for the next season, but if you bump someone up, someone obviously has to get bumped down, and that isn't fair, either.

 

The officials could get penalized or fired.  But then we'd end up with replacements, and we all saw how well that worked out a couple of years ago.

 

Yes, there's a problem.  But does anyone have a solution?

[Raveforlife19]

The league should either change the W-L column to reflect the correct call or take a page out of the ACC's book when they dealt with the Miami v. Duke game and suspend the entire crew without pay for a few weeks. The fact that the supposed pinnacle of the sport has less integrity than a college conference is despicable and quite sad. The NFL always just says "oops, sorry guys!" and moves on. At least say "We're sorry, we cant change the outcome of the game but heres a draft pick to symbolize our sincere mistake". Im surprised there are no by-laws for what occurs when the refs blatantly take a win away from a team. What if this had happened in the NE-NY game and the Patsies lost? Pretty sure they would have gotten some form of compensation or the loss would have been reversed. What pisses me off even more is that they continue to play highlights of the JAX game winning FG on their site in some stupid "look at how exciting and intense the NFL is with all this last second finishes" montage!!! If I were Bisciotti I would be in NYC and wouldn't leave Goodell's office until that little imbecile did something about it.

[Bob21043]

Am I incorrect in believing the being an NFL Ref in a part-time job? Don't these guys (and now ladies) have other jobs in the off-season? The NFL should make these positions full-time positions. With all of the rule changes, additions, etc. each year, how can you keep up with it part-time? The structure is already in place - Crew Chiefs, etc. But I believe it should become a full-time profession for them, so that's all they have to concentrate on year-round. May cost a little more to employ them, but I believe the level of play calling would improve.

[rmcjacket23]

I think we both know what I meant . The officials extended the game to ensure a jaguars victory. The whole thing was ridiculous it didn't matter that we were flagged for a facemask penalty the game should have been over at that point.

Well, they're not doing it to "ensure a Jags victory" because they have no reason to do that. They made a mistake and missed the call, just like we made dozens of mistakes in that game and every other game.

 

The facemask matters to me because that actually did happen. There's never anything logical about dismissing a mistake we made by saying that the mistake shouldn't have happened because somebody else made a mistake.

[rmcjacket23]

The league should either change the W-L column to reflect the correct call or take a page out of the ACC's book when they dealt with the Miami v. Duke game and suspend the entire crew without pay for a few weeks. The fact that the supposed pinnacle of the sport has less integrity than a college conference is despicable and quite sad. The NFL always just says "oops, sorry guys!" and moves on. At least say "We're sorry, we cant change the outcome of the game but heres a draft pick to symbolize our sincere mistake". Im surprised there are no by-laws for what occurs when the refs blatantly take a win away from a team. What if this had happened in the NE-NY game and the Patsies lost? Pretty sure they would have gotten some form of compensation or the loss would have been reversed. What pisses me off even more is that they continue to play highlights of the JAX game winning FG on their site in some stupid "look at how exciting and intense the NFL is with all this last second finishes" montage!!! If I were Bisciotti I would be in NYC and wouldn't leave Goodell's office until that little imbecile did something about it.

Well, they could do that, but then all you'd get is replacement officials, who have already been proven to be worse than the best officials, which is what these guys are.

 

So you are actually downgrading in officiating by doing this. Is that what you want?

[The Mom Gene]

So what's your suggestion?  How do they fix this?

 

Obviously they won't replay the game, and monetary compensation really isn't the point.  Perhaps the number of game-changing blown calls could play into your draft status for the next season, but if you bump someone up, someone obviously has to get bumped down, and that isn't fair, either.

 

The officials could get penalized or fired.  But then we'd end up with replacements, and we all saw how well that worked out a couple of years ago.

 

Yes, there's a problem.  But does anyone have a solution?

 

Absolutely there is a solution...  Absolutely fine the refs, just like they do the players and coaches.  Set them up for retraining, and have every ref attend a class on how to not have this happen again...  Coach them up...  and like I said, set a precedent by changing this game's outcome as it should have ended.  Even Mike and Mike said that had this been the Giants Patriots game there would have been OUTRAGE. 

 

Nobody is saying "bring in the replacements".  but make them accountable, just like everyone else is in this league.  And let them know the league isn't going to tolerate it.