Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey?

[Wildabeast88]

The only problem I see with his attitude isn't the celebrating after the play. That doesn't bother me and I like it in him because he is getting excited and we need that excitement. What bothers me is his attitude when he gets beaten, when he makes a technical mistake, when he lets his attitude get into the play and gets too touchy and can easily be called for DPI, or when he tackles and tries to spear the guy to make a big play. He doesn't mentally recover well from that. In this way he is similar to Elam, but not anywhere close to being the same talent. 

 

I do believe that Ramsey's ceiling is very, very high. I am only concerned with whether or not he can reach his ceiling. Mentality is an important quality for me. I'm not as confident in our coaches' ability to get the best out of our DBs. They haven't shown me yet that they can help these guys reach the next level.

 

If we draft Ramsey, I'll be super excited, though. He's a great player. I just like Hargreaves more. As I said this, I just watched Hargreaves allow a reception but then tackled him immediately to bring him down shy of the 1st down.

a CB making a tackle I need film

[Robbyrobbass]

Bosa

[52520Andrew]

I think people are getting too concerned about which side a guy rushes from. JJ Watt comes from the right side along with Justin Houston and I think Von Miller does as well. It isn't something to go crazy over.

[ravefan52]

I think people are getting too concerned about which side a guy rushes from. JJ Watt comes from the right side along with Justin Houston and I think Von Miller does as well. It isn't something to go crazy over.

And RT's, especially in pass pro, are usually worse than LT's. It's not a bad thing at all.

[Maryland]

Yeah, but your right-handed QB can see the pass rush coming from the right. A pass rusher beats the LT and you've got a greater chance of a sack or fumble. Or worse, your LT goes flying into your QB's knee out of nowhere. 

 

LT may be overrated in this day and age when pass rushers come from all sides, but it's still pretty damn important. 

[sflegend89]

After watching the difference maker that the Broncos' pass rush was against an offense like the Patriots I like the idea of Bosa more and more. As much as I love VH3 and Ramsey it doesn't matter who's on the back end if the opposing QB has a clean pocket and all day to throw. 

 

It's such an offensive league now that you have to be able to get pressure, a good pass rush helps the entire secondary.

[Maryland]

After watching the difference maker that the Broncos' pass rush was against an offense like the Patriots I like the idea of Bosa more and more. As much as I love VH3 and Ramsey it doesn't matter who's on the back end if the opposing QB has a clean pocket and all day to throw. 

 

It's such an offensive league now that you have to be able to get pressure, a good pass rush helps the entire secondary.

There have been plenty of occasions where the Broncos' incredible secondary produced coverage sacks though. 

 

But I agree with your point: getting good DBs helps your secondary; getting a good DEs/OLBs helps your pass rush and your secondary.

 

/I'm just not sure I like any of these pass rushers in this class more than VH3, who seems like the safest pick in a long time.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Maryland

[Inqui]

Fwiw on the pass rusher/DB debate, last year we had pretty much the same glaring defensive holes we do now (mostly from the secondary) but came a couple of missed tackles short of an AFCCG appearance. The key difference defensively imo is that we had a healthy Suggs, and McPhee being able to shuffle around the place. We were able to get pressure without having to go OTT in blitzes, and as depressing as it sounds that made the secondary look like less of a liability.

 

But in a way I think that's all a moot point though, since I'm in favour of just taking the best prospect on the board, however you define "best".

 

Sorry if I'm not making any sense there. I'm just finishing up with work for the night so mentally checking out of everything is my excuse.

[January J]

After watching the difference maker that the Broncos' pass rush was against an offense like the Patriots I like the idea of Bosa more and more. As much as I love VH3 and Ramsey it doesn't matter who's on the back end if the opposing QB has a clean pocket and all day to throw.

It's such an offensive league now that you have to be able to get pressure, a good pass rush helps the entire secondary.

I somewhat agree but our Dbs have such a problem with looking for the ball and creating turnovers. That's what wins games. Pressure is great and will create bad decisions but if your dbs never look for the ball ( or simply can't hold onto the ball) it doesn't mean much. How many easy interceptions have our guys dropped this year? That being said we can address both positions in the first few rounds. We need to focus on FA for the offensive side ( receivers ) Bc we need a guy with experience when Steve leaves. Edited November 30, 2015 by January J

[RavensFanMania]

It really is a tough choice between Bosa/VH3/Ramsey/Tunsil.  We never pick in the top 5 so nabbing a prospect that can be an elite LT and play him at LG next year would be fantastic.  However grabbing VH3 or Ramsey to solidify our DB would be great, although I'd much rather have Ramsey as FS.  That being said, if we pick in the top 5 I'd much prefer Bosa.  Having a dynamic Edge Rusher that can replace Suggs when he retires is a huge need.  We saw how bad our pash rush was when he went down this year.  How can he not be the favorite.  Besides, how many CB get drafted in the top 5.  Not many at all.

[Sami84]

It really is a tough choice between Bosa/VH3/Ramsey/Tunsil.  We never pick in the top 5 so nabbing a prospect that can be an elite LT and play him at LG next year would be fantastic.  However grabbing VH3 or Ramsey to solidify our DB would be great, although I'd much rather have Ramsey as FS.  That being said, if we pick in the top 5 I'd much prefer Bosa.  Having a dynamic Edge Rusher that can replace Suggs when he retires is a huge need.  We saw how bad our pash rush was when he went down this year.  How can he not be the favorite.  Besides, how many CB get drafted in the top 5.  Not many at all.

 

titans are currently my favorites to nab bosa. If the refs didn't screw them vs the raiders combined with a potential win vs jackonville next week and us hopefully losing, we would def have the number 1 pick.

 

this browns game is the only game we have a tiny shot in winning and i still see us as long shots.

[PurpleCity5]

titans are currently my favorites to nab bosa. If the refs didn't screw them vs the raiders combined with a potential win vs jackonville next week and us hopefully losing, we would def have the number 1 pick.

this browns game is the only game we have a tiny shot in winning and i still see us as long shots.

I think the Titans take Tunsil if he's there.

[Sami84]

I think the Titans take Tunsil if he's there.

 

even though they invested in lewan? Having said that their pass rush is pretty good.

[BmoreBird22]

even though they invested in lewan? Having said that their pass rush is pretty good.

They have Orakpo (won't be 30 until July 31st), Derrick Morgan, and Jurrell Casey. They're set at OLB and pass rushers as all three of those guys are locked up for 2016, 2017, and 2018 (good management to let your top three pass rushers become a FA in the same year). I cannot see them taking a DE with the first overall pick when they don't have a serious need for a pass rusher or an OLB. 

 

I could definitely see them taking Tunsil and replacing Byron Bell, who somehow beat out Michael Oher who is pass blocking well in Carolina. Either that or replacing Joe Looney at LG. They're line is a mess outside of Lewan and Warmack and they did just draft Mariota second overall. 

 

More likely, though, for me, is that they trade back with a team that has a serious need for a quarterback. If you aren't entirely set on taking a RT with the first pick, one who probably will be BPA, then why not accumulate picks and take him later when it makes more sense, or Stanley? Plus, they have a serious need in their secondary (Hargreaves and Ramsey would both be a very welcome addition) and their wide receivers are about to drop off the map if they don't re-sign Wright after this season. If Wright leaves, they'd have Harry Douglas and DGB as their starters. Wooooh...?

 

If the Titans finish with the top pick, I don't see them staying with it.

[PurpleCity5]

even though they invested in lewan? Having said that their pass rush is pretty good.

I think when you have a young QB like Mariota, who may be your franchise QB, then you do your best to protect him.

[JoeyFlex5]

Fwiw on the pass rusher/DB debate, last year we had pretty much the same glaring defensive holes we do now (mostly from the secondary) but came a couple of missed tackles short of an AFCCG appearance. The key difference defensively imo is that we had a healthy Suggs, and McPhee being able to shuffle around the place. We were able to get pressure without having to go OTT in blitzes, and as depressing as it sounds that made the secondary look like less of a liability.

 

But in a way I think that's all a moot point though, since I'm in favour of just taking the best prospect on the board, however you define "best".

 

Sorry if I'm not making any sense there. I'm just finishing up with work for the night so mentally checking out of everything is my excuse.

but we still did give up an ugly amount of yardage through dink and dunk passes, our pass rush didnt have much of a chance once the patriots tightened up their game, if we had one more cb that could run with wr's then we are going to indy and likely having our way with the colts and playing in the bowl. the biggest problem now is that we need BOTH, not one or the other.

[JoeyFlex5]

They have Orakpo (won't be 30 until July 31st), Derrick Morgan, and Jurrell Casey. They're set at OLB and pass rushers as all three of those guys are locked up for 2016, 2017, and 2018 (good management to let your top three pass rushers become a FA in the same year). I cannot see them taking a DE with the first overall pick when they don't have a serious need for a pass rusher or an OLB. 

 

I could definitely see them taking Tunsil and replacing Byron Bell, who somehow beat out Michael Oher who is pass blocking well in Carolina. Either that or replacing Joe Looney at LG. They're line is a mess outside of Lewan and Warmack and they did just draft Mariota second overall. 

 

More likely, though, for me, is that they trade back with a team that has a serious need for a quarterback. If you aren't entirely set on taking a RT with the first pick, one who probably will be BPA, then why not accumulate picks and take him later when it makes more sense, or Stanley? Plus, they have a serious need in their secondary (Hargreaves and Ramsey would both be a very welcome addition) and their wide receivers are about to drop off the map if they don't re-sign Wright after this season. If Wright leaves, they'd have Harry Douglas and DGB as their starters. Wooooh...?

 

If the Titans finish with the top pick, I don't see them staying with it.

if the titans were to take tunsil, does he play LT by year 2 and lewan slides to the right, or do they just draft a RT first overall? thats my dilemma on the titans because i also cant see them taking bosa. a couple of weeks ago i had them as a lock to take nkemdiche but he seems to be tumbling down boards very fast

[Sami84]

I think when you have a young QB like Mariota, who may be your franchise QB, then you do your best to protect him.

 

in that case..as we would have the 2nd pick with a loss vs the browns today..and taking into account the rest of our schedule ( every team has something to play for including the bengals for top seed in the AFC) i think we take bosa

Edited November 30, 2015 by Sami84

[PurpleCity5]

in that case..as we would have the 2nd pick with a loss vs the browns today..and taking into account the rest of our schedule ( every team has something to play for including the bengals for top seed in the AFC) i think we take bosa

I really think Tunsil will be a Titan, like Joey I thought they would take Nkemdiche but he seems to be dropping. If I can recall, both of their OT have been underpreforming. I think they slide Lewan to RT, and put Tunsil at LT.

I don't think we pass on Bosa either. I have Bosa and Tunsil tied simply based on need.

Edited November 30, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Deflated Football]

I really think Tunsil will be a Titan, like Joey I thought they would take Nkemdiche but he seems to be dropping. If I can recall, both of their OT have been underpreforming. I think they slide Lewan to RT, and put Tunsil at LT.

I don't think we pass on Bosa either.

Agreed. I see Tunsil going to the Titans but if Joey is there for San Diego then they will grab him so we have to get before them which I can see happening with Schaub at the helm. 

[PurpleCity5]

Agreed. I see Tunsil going to the Titans but if Joey is there for San Diego then they will grab him so we have to get before them which I can see happening with Schaub at the helm.

I actually think San Diego will improve down the stretch. IMO it seems to me that they would select Tunsil over Bosa if they had the chance. Honestly their OL has constantly been shifting, it would help them depth wise and not to mention Rivers has been taking a beating.

I also think of this, Melvin Gordon has had a down rookie year, much of that is attributed to the poor run blocking by the OL, in games iv seen Gordon has attacked the right gaps, but they are quickly clogged up within a mili-second. Tunsil is a beast run-blocker. I believe having him not only will help out Rivers, but benifit Gordon a lot as well. Give Rivers a run game and San Diego is bound to turn around their season IMO.

[PurpleCity5]

Agreed. I see Tunsil going to the Titans but if Joey is there for San Diego then they will grab him so we have to get before them which I can see happening with Schaub at the helm.

I actually think San Diego will improve down the stretch. IMO it seems to me that they would select Tunsil over Bosa if they had the chance. Honestly their OL has constantly been shifting, it would help them depth wise and not to mention Rivers has been taking a beating.

I also think of this, Melvin Gordon has had a down rookie year, much of that is attributed to the poor run blocking by the OL, in games iv seen Gordon has attacked the right gaps, but they are quickly clogged up within a mili-second. Tunsil is a beast run-blocker. I believe having him not only will help out Rivers, but benifit Gordon a lot as well. Give Rivers a run game and San Diego is bound to turn around their season IMO.

[BmoreBird22]

if the titans were to take tunsil, does he play LT by year 2 and lewan slides to the right, or do they just draft a RT first overall? thats my dilemma on the titans because i also cant see them taking bosa. a couple of weeks ago i had them as a lock to take nkemdiche but he seems to be tumbling down boards very fast

Well, I cannot say I have watched too much of Lewan, at all, so I have no idea how he's played recently, but I do remember that there was a lot of speculation that he'd forgo his senior year and enter the 2013 draft (he and Jake Matthews). The two prospects that were most frequently mocked to the Chargers and Lewan. Lewan was mocked to SD because pundits felt he'd be a plug and play RT with a huge amount of nastiness to his game that would just fit so well at RT. 

 

Now, would he willingly switch sides with a rookie or a second year player after manning the left for three or four years? I honestly doubt it. However, Tunsil has the insane run blocking prowess and the leg drive needed to be a "prototypical" right tackle and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having two elite tackles. Mariota is mobile enough that interior pressure is escapable, so he could work around having a "weaker" interior (I think a line featuring Lewan-Warmack-Tunsil would be a force). It'd be a step in building the team the right way. They'd have some really dirty trenches on both sides. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Well, I cannot say I have watched too much of Lewan, at all, so I have no idea how he's played recently, but I do remember that there was a lot of speculation that he'd forgo his senior year and enter the 2013 draft (he and Jake Matthews). The two prospects that were most frequently mocked to the Chargers and Lewan. Lewan was mocked to SD because pundits felt he'd be a plug and play RT with a huge amount of nastiness to his game that would just fit so well at RT. 

 

Now, would he willingly switch sides with a rookie or a second year player after manning the left for three or four years? I honestly doubt it. However, Tunsil has the insane run blocking prowess and the leg drive needed to be a "prototypical" right tackle and there is absolutely nothing wrong with having two elite tackles. Mariota is mobile enough that interior pressure is escapable, so he could work around having a "weaker" interior (I think a line featuring Lewan-Warmack-Tunsil would be a force). It'd be a step in building the team the right way. They'd have some really dirty trenches on both sides. 

i agree with all of this but i just dont know how the titans FO works and i think thats the most important factor here. lewan has excelled as a LT for them, he was by far the best of his rookie class and he looks the part of a franchise caliber LT, and with his attitude concerns coming out of college im not sure he would peacefully make the transition, and im not sure any team wants to take a RT first overall, no matter how good they are

[JoeyFlex5]

Agreed. I see Tunsil going to the Titans but if Joey is there for San Diego then they will grab him so we have to get before them which I can see happening with Schaub at the helm. 

i think the chargers have tunsil in their crosshairs, and i think 2nd on their board is tied between ramsey and stanley, i really do think theyre gonna reach to fill their big holes if theyre 2nd overall. im convinced their biggest concern is either replacing weddle or helping out gordon and rivers, and ramsey would make a good replacement for weddle as theyre both versatile safeties rather than deep rangy guys, he could step right in and help.

[BmoreBird22]

i agree with all of this but i just dont know how the titans FO works and i think thats the most important factor here. lewan has excelled as a LT for them, he was by far the best of his rookie class and he looks the part of a franchise caliber LT, and with his attitude concerns coming out of college im not sure he would peacefully make the transition, and im not sure any team wants to take a RT first overall, no matter how good they are

Which is exactly why I see the Titans trading back. They don't have a surefire number one overall player they must take, but they sure could use a lot of extra picks. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Which is exactly why I see the Titans trading back. They don't have a surefire number one overall player they must take, but they sure could use a lot of extra picks. 

i still think nkemdiche is their guy but they know as well as anyone they could make a big jump backwards and still get him.

[BmoreBird22]

i still think nkemdiche is their guy but they know as well as anyone they could make a big jump backwards and still get him.

I think Detroit will be a big player in taking him. They've had that void with no Suh.

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Detroit will be a big player in taking him. They've had that void with no Suh.

i think theyre gonna be in the market for stanley, if stafford is their guy moving forward they know they gotta protect him, and i dont think theyre gonna be shy about it either

[BmoreBird22]

i think theyre gonna be in the market for stanley, if stafford is their guy moving forward they know they gotta protect him, and i dont think theyre gonna be shy about it either

I think Stanley (or Tunsil) will be heavily discussed, too. I mean, they could go either direction, honestly.