Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey?

[JO_75]

Ever since I've learned how the draft order actually works, how to calculate SOS, it's made me more fascinated with the draft process. For those above trying to figure this out, with a win over Cleveland we would have the lowest SOS meaning we would be above all the other 4-7 teams. If Titans, Browns and Chargers are all 2-9, you factor in the Cowboys and 49ers at 3-8(49ers aren't going to beat Arizona), we would go from 4 to 6 with a win over Cleveland.

 

If we keep winning, this thread may end up being pointless as we won't get any of these 3 picking 6-10 or 10-15 range.

[Inqui]

Yeah personally I prefer Hargreaves. Im a little weary if Stanley can play guard. I hope he lasts to our pick.

I'm not 100% sold on Stanley playing LG either, but realistically he'd only be playing there one or two years before sliding out so I think his guard play is mostly an academic point that's worth discussing but shouldn't affect his standing with us too much.

 

OK State v Notre Dame would probably be my dream matchup for a bowl game (ie, I literally can't think of a better match right now). Sadly there's no way that's happening.

[Inqui]

Ever since I've learned how the draft order actually works, how to calculate SOS, it's made me more fascinated with the draft process. For those above trying to figure this out, with a win over Cleveland we would have the lowest SOS meaning we would be above all the other 4-7 teams. If Titans, Browns and Chargers are all 2-9, you factor in the Cowboys and 49ers at 3-8(49ers aren't going to beat Arizona), we would go from 4 to 6 with a win over Cleveland.

 

If we keep winning, this thread may end up being pointless as we won't get any of these 3 picking 6-10 or 10-15 range.

So far our SoS has been pretty generous in terms of getting us a higher draft pick. Sadly our number will start to pick up when we face Seattle, Pitt and Cinci (hell, even the Chiefs if they keep winning) so that'll make things a little tougher in tiebreaker situations. Translation: from here, every loss counts!

[JoeyFlex5]

Ever since I've learned how the draft order actually works, how to calculate SOS, it's made me more fascinated with the draft process. For those above trying to figure this out, with a win over Cleveland we would have the lowest SOS meaning we would be above all the other 4-7 teams. If Titans, Browns and Chargers are all 2-9, you factor in the Cowboys and 49ers at 3-8(49ers aren't going to beat Arizona), we would go from 4 to 6 with a win over Cleveland.

 

If we keep winning, this thread may end up being pointless as we won't get any of these 3 picking 6-10 or 10-15 range.

we would have to beat cleveland with matt schaub first, which i dont see happening. i think we lose out and at 3-13 were looking at 3rd or 4th, maybe even 2nd

[Inqui]

we would have to beat cleveland with matt schaub first, which i dont see happening. i think we lose out and at 3-13 were looking at 3rd or 4th, maybe even 2nd

Yeah, I think this game against Cleveland will probably be the single most telling about where we end up picking. If we lose, I don't think top three is out of the question. But if we win, we're probably looking at 5th or 6th - maybe as low as 8th depending on Dallas and SF.

[Maryland]

we would have to beat cleveland with matt schaub first, which i dont see happening. i think we lose out and at 3-13 were looking at 3rd or 4th, maybe even 2nd

Schaub + an O-line /w Hurst and Urschel for their respective starters (maybe even Jensen in for KO). Should lose I think. 

 

I hope Cincy is competing with Denver for seeding week 17.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah, I think this game against Cleveland will probably be the single most telling about where we end up picking. If we lose, I don't think top three is out of the question. But if we win, we're probably looking at 5th or 6th - maybe as low as 8th depending on Dallas and SF.

yeah just by winning 1 game we could nearly fall out of the top 10. i seriously hope we dont "salvage the pride" or some other harbaugh bs

[Inqui]

yeah just by winning 1 game we could nearly fall out of the top 10. i seriously hope we dont "salvage the pride" or some other harbaugh bs

For a few weeks now I've been on the bandwagon of hoping we keep playing hard but just getting pipped by relatively small stuff (bad call from the refs, one defensive meltdown, etc) and I'm sticking to that.

 

Tbh, going by recent draft history, if we end up picking (say) 8th overall I think we could still be looking at our choice between Ogbah, Stanley and Ramsey (the more I think about it the more I desperately want there to be a bowl game between OK State and Notre Dame). Which could be an awful lot worse.

[arnie_uk]

I'll have to find the scouting report where Matt Miller talked to regional scouts about Johnson. The scouts love him.

Miller does not like Nassib, at all

matt Miller also says Jared goff is the best player in the draft

[JoeyFlex5]

For a few weeks now I've been on the bandwagon of hoping we keep playing hard but just getting pipped by relatively small stuff (bad call from the refs, one defensive meltdown, etc) and I'm sticking to that.

 

Tbh, going by recent draft history, if we end up picking (say) 8th overall I think we could still be looking at our choice between Ogbah, Stanley and Ramsey (the more I think about it the more I desperately want there to be a bowl game between OK State and Notre Dame). Which could be an awful lot worse.

if were at 8 picking between those 3 id be damn happy, the only concern i would have is picking at 39th in the 2nd round, i think the main targets would be all snatched up by then, i also am liking the thrilling games each week leading to a better draft pick as we just fall short. i wouldnt mind if every game ended the way it did against jax, with the nfl apologizing and everything lol

[BmoreBird22]

matt Miller also says Jared goff is the best player in the draft

I think he goes a lot with what scouts are saying, too, honestly, because some scouts earlier were saying he's the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck

[arnie_uk]

I think he goes a lot with what scouts are saying, too, honestly, because some scouts earlier were saying he's the best quarterback prospect since Andrew Luck

personally don't think his opinion holds any water and just changes his opinion like the wind. Think he gets influenced by what others say, like a lot of people on here.

[BmoreBird22]

personally don't think his opinion holds any water and just changes his opinion like the wind. Think he gets influenced by what others say, like a lot of people on here.

He's pretty damn solid, though, and he's more than happy to admit when he's wrong. But I have seen several of his older rankings that were just spot on for projections of where a player should have gone in the draft. For example, he had Andy Dalton as his eighth ranked prospect in the draft in 2011. And while I don't think Dalton is elite and I think he has elite weapons, I bet a redraft has him going in the top 15 over Ponder and Gabbert.

 

And of course that's just one ranking, but as far as scouting goes, I truly do trust quite a few of his rankings. No, I don't agree with all of them, but he's generally really solid about picking up some of the guys that are lesser known. Perks of being able to talk to NFL personnel, I guess.

[arnie_uk]

He's pretty damn solid, though, and he's more than happy to admit when he's wrong. But I have seen several of his older rankings that were just spot on for projections of where a player should have gone in the draft. For example, he had Andy Dalton as his eighth ranked prospect in the draft in 2011. And while I don't think Dalton is elite and I think he has elite weapons, I bet a redraft has him going in the top 15 over Ponder and Gabbert.

And of course that's just one ranking, but as far as scouting goes, I truly do trust quite a few of his rankings. No, I don't agree with all of them, but he's generally really solid about picking up some of the guys that are lesser known. Perks of being able to talk to NFL personnel, I guess.

that's not how it works though. No one would have drafted Dalton top 15 at that time, and anyone with half a brain wouldn't have drafted ponder, gabbert and locker that high either.

I mean, you had Newton watt quinn dareus Peterson Miller green Jones... that's 8 of memory that were better than Dalton.

It was one of the most loaded drafts in recent memory! No way anyone can justify have Dalton at 8 with prospects like the above

[BmoreBird22]

that's not how it works though. No one would have drafted Dalton top 15 at that time, and anyone with half a brain wouldn't have drafted ponder, gabbert and locker that high either.

I mean, you had Newton watt quinn dareus Peterson Miller green Jones... that's 8 of memory that were better than Dalton.

It was one of the most loaded drafts in recent memory! No way anyone can justify have Dalton at 8 with prospects like the above

I wanna say he had Newton at like 9 overall, I think. And in fairness, a lot of people did not think that Newton would be a very good pro, at all. He had one year of major success in a system that asked him to make one read, and if that wasn't there, he'd just run. It was fair to question if he'd transition to the NFL well. He also took quite a while to make that transition as he's just now finding success, although, his teammates are playing far better than I think most people expected.

 

And Watt was never considered a top 10 prospect by most. I remember reading an article that said Watt was overrated and picked too high when the Texans took him. 

 

Hindsight is 20/20, but most of the top 10 for many analysts consisted of Peterson, Miller, Green, Dareus, Quinn, Jones, Smith, and Fairley, with a little bit of fluidity in the last two spots. Plenty considered Gabbert a top 10 prospect and quite a few analysts still had Bowers in their top 10, although, many acknowledged medical examinations would likely scare off teams all together. 

[arnie_uk]

I wanna say he had Newton at like 9 overall, I think. And in fairness, a lot of people did not think that Newton would be a very good pro, at all. He had one year of major success in a system that asked him to make one read, and if that wasn't there, he'd just run. It was fair to question if he'd transition to the NFL well. He also took quite a while to make that transition as he's just now finding success, although, his teammates are playing far better than I think most people expected.

And Watt was never considered a top 10 prospect by most. I remember reading an article that said Watt was overrated and picked too high when the Texans took him.

Hindsight is 20/20, but most of the top 10 for many analysts consisted of Peterson, Miller, Green, Dareus, Quinn, Jones, Smith, and Fairley, with a little bit of fluidity in the last two spots. Plenty considered Gabbert a top 10 prospect and quite a few analysts still had Bowers in their top 10, although, many acknowledged medical examinations would likely scare off teams all together.

yea but in a redraft I don't think Dalton would hit 8 as he Had him, even after exceeding expectations.

I think some of his analysis is quite good, I mean you watch a player and say what you see. Most can do that, the more knowledge you have the better you can see how it'd translate. That's why I like dj and mayock.

What I think Miller is awful at is his rankings when comparing positions and that. He's just not that good at it.

I also think working for BR and trying to get his name out there he makes outlandish statements every now and then such as goff as his best player. It gets his traffic up.

Goff could go first, but not cause he's the best player, but because he's a qb.

[BmoreBird22]

yea but in a redraft I don't think Dalton would hit 8 as he Had him, even after exceeding expectations.

I think some of his analysis is quite good, I mean you watch a player and say what you see. Most can do that, the more knowledge you have the better you can see how it'd translate. That's why I like dj and mayock.

What I think Miller is awful at is his rankings when comparing positions and that. He's just not that good at it.

I also think working for BR and trying to get his name out there he makes outlandish statements every now and then such as goff as his best player. It gets his traffic up.

Goff could go first, but not cause he's the best player, but because he's a qb.

And I think that factors in some, the Jared Goff being a quarterback notion. I wanna say he recently had Jaylon Smith as his best player in the draft, but I can't be certain. Extremely talented player, just not a premium position to go very high. 

 

I read most of his scouting reports just to know who to keep an eye out for. I respect his opinion on players much more than his actual big board rankings. I like to look at his positional rankings and what he had to say about the players, and that's about it. 

 

And in a 2011 redraft, I could see Andy Dalton being top 10 or at least top 15 just based purely on the value of a quarterback.

[arnie_uk]

And I think that factors in some, the Jared Goff being a quarterback notion. I wanna say he recently had Jaylon Smith as his best player in the draft, but I can't be certain. Extremely talented player, just not a premium position to go very high.

I read most of his scouting reports just to know who to keep an eye out for. I respect his opinion on players much more than his actual big board rankings. I like to look at his positional rankings and what he had to say about the players, and that's about it.

And in a 2011 redraft, I could see Andy Dalton being top 10 or at least top 15 just based purely on the value of a quarterback.

he said goff and smith as his number 1s. But that then contradicts having goff at one because of positional value because if he applied that across the board, you simply can't have a MLB as a 1b.

The two contradict each other. From a positonal POV yea bump up goff, but surely your have to drop smith in that case?

Yea we can agree, he's better at saying what he sees in a player than ranking everyone

[BmoreBird22]

he said goff and smith as his number 1s. But that then contradicts having goff at one because of positional value because if he applied that across the board, you simply can't have a MLB as a 1b.

The two contradict each other. From a positonal POV yea bump up goff, but surely your have to drop smith in that case?

Yea we can agree, he's better at saying what he sees in a player than ranking everyone

I think 4-3 OLB's still hold a good deal of value as coverage linebackers and Von Miller has shown you can still get 10+ sacks from that OLB spot. Of course, he'll have to go to a 4-3 team to make that type of impact, but I wouldn't rule Smith out of going in the top 10, although, top 5 seems unlikely.

 

Like I said, I don't look at his big boards much other than to see his opinions on best potential, biggest sleeper, etc.

[arnie_uk]

I was kind of thinking of smith as a MLB for us in 34 there

[BmoreBird22]

I was kind of thinking of smith as a MLB for us in 34 there

It'd be too high if someone like Tunsil, Hargreaves, Bosa, etc are there, and even if they trade back and he's still there, if Ogbah is there, I see Ogbah going over him. Basically, I think he's going to be a 4-3 linebacker. I don't see many 3-4 teams wanting to take him over some of the players that are available

[Wildabeast88]

Watching Ohio st Michigan the answer is Freaking Bosa

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

This isn't Joey Bosa singing this song... That would be really lame

[Cillmatic]

Good pick by Bosa.

[Inqui]

This isn't Joey Bosa singing this song... That would be really lame

One of his many admirers who thinks that guy is awesome. References available!

[Cillmatic]

Well, we're not getting Bosa, he's going #1 overall.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

One of his many admirers who thinks that guy is awesome. References available!

Awesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesomeawesome

He is from Awesome Town!

[Jamal]

It'd be too high if someone like Tunsil, Hargreaves, Bosa, etc are there, and even if they trade back and he's still there, if Ogbah is there, I see Ogbah going over him. Basically, I think he's going to be a 4-3 linebacker. I don't see many 3-4 teams wanting to take him over some of the players that are available

I think in today's NFL, Smith would be a fine fit for a 3-4. Especially for our D which had a good d-line and a perfect compliment in CJ.

[Sami84]

Well, we're not getting Bosa, he's going #1 overall.

 

obviously that makes you happy as you think he's not that good.

[Sami84]

i really am upset with our win over the chargers..

 

thats the one which will stop us from getting bosa.