Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey?

[CalvinSmoke]

Boss reminds me of Suggs, Suggs is not very agile either never really was but he is strong and has a very solid first step. We could groom him and he would become a best in year 2 or 3 like McPhee did... We can't go wrong here.

[CalvinSmoke]

Can't go wrong with either if those guys...i wish Monroe could stay on the field, it would make this choice a kit easier.

[Maryland]

Lions won again today..Keeping us on pace for a top 3 pick. Cowboys pretty much have already lost but I'm not too worried about them they will atleast win a few more with romo back.

Not so fast--we still got competition lol. 

 

I think the Cowboys will beat someone on their schedule though, probably someone totally unexpected like the Giants (edit-I see they're done /w them). Cassell isn't totally worthless. 

 

Our main competition is SD and the CLE imo. Titans too, but they are better than their record. 

 

Glad the Lions and Bears are taking themselves out of the competition. 

Edited November 27, 2015 by Maryland

[Inqui]

Not so fast--we still got competition lol. 

 

I think the Cowboys will beat someone on their schedule though, probably someone totally unexpected like the Giants. Cassell isn't totally worthless. 

 

Our main competition is SD and the CLE imo. Titans too, but they are better than their record. 

 

Glad the Lions and Bears are taking themselves out of the competition. 

The Cowboys have @Washington, @GB, NYJ, @Bills and v Washington. I'd imagine they get at least one win over our DC cousins and they're capable of beating one of the AFCE sides or even the Packers (depending on which team shows up..). SD and Tennessee are our big competition (and maybe the Eagles at this rate), and this week will decide a lot about our draft order and how it relates to Cleveland.

 

Thankfully the Bears and Lions are pretty much out of a top-three pick after the past few weeks.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Inqui

[PurpleCity5]

Not so fast--we still got competition lol. 

 

I think the Cowboys will beat someone on their schedule though, probably someone totally unexpected like the Giants. Cassell isn't totally worthless. 

 

Our main competition is SD and the CLE imo. Titans too, but they are better than their record. 

 

Glad the Lions and Bears are taking themselves out of the competition. 

It's difficult. The Cowboys got the Redskins, Packers, Jets, Bills, and Redskin again. I can see them dropping all of those games. To be honest I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped all of those games. I think they will take a victory over the Redskins but outside of that I don't see them beating Buffalo or New York.

 

The Eagles are also dropping dead and to be honest they look even worse than us. They have been getting a beat-down by average or below average teams, they really are in a hurry to drop games. 

 

I think Tennessee finishes with an extra win or two. They're not as bad as their record indicates so I can see them stealing games and finishing strong. 

 

I think the draft order will be:

 

Browns

Titans

Chargers

Cowboys

Ravens

49ers

Eagles

[PurpleCity5]

Can't go wrong with either if those guys...i wish Monroe could stay on the field, it would make this choice a kit easier.

I've personally narrowed down my top 3 to Hargreaves, Bosa and Tunsil. Hargreaves would be such a great addition to this team and is one of the best cover CBs to enter this draft in a long time. He's one of my favorite prospects honestly. There's Bosa who I believe we'll select if he's there. Then Tunsil who can potentially be our next great LT, and we know elite LTs don't grow on trees. 

 

Personally, just give me one of em' and then a WR in the 2nd round. That would be a very successful first two rounds. 

Edited November 27, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Maryland]

I think the draft order will be:

 

Browns

Titans

Chargers

Cowboys

Ravens

49ers

Eagles

You're making me sad now

 

I think we lose to the browns this week though (I placed a hefty bet on it, so I kind of hope so lol). I just don't see McCown losing at home after dismantling our defense when it was healthier in week 5. He won't even have to try as hard because we have lost so much talent on offense. If we were playing Manziel it might be closer to a 50/50 game, but McCown is actually a decent QB. 

 

And we have the SOS tiebreaker over most teams at the moment I think. 

 

/also it sounds like Monroe would have missed practice had it been held. If Hurst starts, Schaub is in trouble--he makes Joe look as mobile as Russel Wilson.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Maryland

[Inqui]

It's difficult. The Cowboys got the Redskins, Packers, Jets, Bills, and Redskin again. I can see them dropping all of those games. To be honest I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped all of those games. I think they will take a victory over the Redskins but outside of that I don't see them beating Buffalo or New York.

The Eagles are also dropping dead and to be honest they look even worse than us. They have been getting a beat-down by average or below average teams, they really are in a hurry to drop games.

I think Tennessee finishes with an extra win or two. They're not as bad as their record indicates so I can see them stealing games and finishing strong.

I think the draft order will be:

Browns

Titans

Chargers

Cowboys

Ravens

49ers

Eagles

Typical Cowboys finding a way to sneak in front of us, haha. If we were picking at 5 I think I'd be gunning for VH3 or Stanley (as well as Bosa and Tunsil but I wouldn't get my hopes up).

[Inqui]

You're making me sad now

I think we lose to the browns this week though (I placed a hefty bet on it, so I kind of hope so lol). I just don't see McCown losing at home after dismantling our defense when it was healthier in week 5. He won't even have to try as hard because we have lost so much talent on offense. If we were playing Manziel it might be closer to a 50/50 game, but McCown is actually a decent QB.

And we have the SOS tiebreaker over most teams at the moment I think.

Yeah, our SoS is really good (crappy?), which will help us in a logjam. How much tougher will it get when we face the Seahawks, Steelers and Bengals? They have a fair few wins each, so that'd make our schedule look tougher I imagine.

[Winchester]

I've personally narrowed down my top 3 to Hargreaves, Bosa and Tunsil. Hargreaves would be such a great addition to this team and is one of the best cover CBs to enter this draft in a long time. He's one of my favorite prospects honestly. There's Bosa who I believe we'll select if he's there. Then Tunsil who can potentially be our next great LT, and we know elite LTs don't grow on trees. 

 

Personally, just give me one of em' and then a WR in the 2nd round. That would be a very successful first two rounds.

Not a Hargreaves fan really. Good technique at college level but not a standout athlete or very physical. Very similar to Claiborne. To be honest I liked Darby far better than I do Hargreaves or Ramsey at cornerback. Ramsey I like at fs but not top3 pick like. I do see the chargers and titans getting another win. What a meaningless win against St. Louis!!

[JoeyFlex5]

While Tackle isn't my first choice I would accept it, only for tunsil though the injury history kind of scares me considering its our first high pick in years but he's looked good. My biggest question is are we gonna be a ZBS team or a power scheme? It kinda seems like trestman can't make up his mind.

i believe that the lack of commitment to one run scheme stems directly from castillo and his bond with harbaugh, i am nearly certain that trestman would be shipped out before castillo, i think the inside zone scheme would stay, no matter how sad it may make us

[DomMcRaven]

The Cowboys have @Washington, @GB, NYJ, @Bills and v Washington. I'd imagine they get at least one win over our DC cousins and they're capable of beating one of the AFCE sides or even the Packers (depending on which team shows up..). SD and Tennessee are our big competition (and maybe the Eagles at this rate), and this week will decide a lot about our draft order and how it relates to Cleveland.

 

Thankfully the Bears and Lions are pretty much out of a top-three pick after the past few weeks.

DC cousins. I saw what you did there.

Edited November 27, 2015 by DomMcRaven

[January J]

It's difficult. The Cowboys got the Redskins, Packers, Jets, Bills, and Redskin again. I can see them dropping all of those games. To be honest I wouldn't be shocked if they dropped all of those games. I think they will take a victory over the Redskins but outside of that I don't see them beating Buffalo or New York.

The Eagles are also dropping dead and to be honest they look even worse than us. They have been getting a beat-down by average or below average teams, they really are in a hurry to drop games.

I think Tennessee finishes with an extra win or two. They're not as bad as their record indicates so I can see them stealing games and finishing strong.

I think the draft order will be:

Browns

Titans

Chargers

Cowboys

Ravens

49ers

Eagles

I think we may end up with the same record as the Browns and they will most likely have the tiebreaker over us. I think Dallas also finds a way to win atleast 2 more games. Hard to say how it shakes out but I'm thinking:

1)Titans

2)Chargers

3)Ravens

4)Browns

5)Niners

6)Eagles

7)Cowboys

8)Lions

Edited November 27, 2015 by January J

[PurpleCity5]

You're making me sad now

 

I think we lose to the browns this week though (I placed a hefty bet on it, so I kind of hope so lol). I just don't see McCown losing at home after dismantling our defense when it was healthier in week 5. He won't even have to try as hard because we have lost so much talent on offense. If we were playing Manziel it might be closer to a 50/50 game, but McCown is actually a decent QB. 

 

And we have the SOS tiebreaker over most teams at the moment I think. 

 

/also it sounds like Monroe would have missed practice had it been held. If Hurst starts, Schaub is in trouble--he makes Joe look as mobile as Russel Wilson.

The defense has been playing much better since the bye week. I think we win that Cleveland game honestly. It will certainly be close, but I think we win it. I don't see us getting swept by Cleveland honestly. 

Edited November 27, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

I think we may end up with the same record as the Browns and they will most likely have the tiebreaker over us. I think Dallas also finds a way to win atleast 2 more games. Hard to say how it shakes out but I'm thinking:

1)Titans

2)Chargers

3)Ravens

4)Browns

5)Niners

6)Eagles

7)Cowboys

8)Lions

When I look at the Browns schedule outside of our game, I don't see them winning them at all. They got Bengals, 49ers(which a win or lose could help), Seahawks, Chiefs, and the Steelers. I think they drop all of those games. I also think the Titans are better than their record says, Marcus Mariota has been playing very well since returning and I think they steal a few games. People gotta remember, upsets become more apparent towards the end of the season.  

 

Cowboys have been awful without Romo, I don't see them beating any .500 team and I see them taking one game against Washington, that's the only game I think they win. 

[PurpleCity5]

Typical Cowboys finding a way to sneak in front of us, haha. If we were picking at 5 I think I'd be gunning for VH3 or Stanley (as well as Bosa and Tunsil but I wouldn't get my hopes up).

I don't think they would pick Hargreaves, they picked a CB in last years draft and have invested a lot in the position. I think they go with someone else. I think Nkemdiche can be the pick there. If I can recall, they run a 4-3 defense so they might value Nkemdiche a lot, even though I don't have him in my top 5, I think he would be a great fit there. 

[PurpleCity5]

Not a Hargreaves fan really. Good technique at college level but not a standout athlete or very physical. Very similar to Claiborne. To be honest I liked Darby far better than I do Hargreaves or Ramsey at cornerback. Ramsey I like at fs but not top3 pick like. I do see the chargers and titans getting another win. What a meaningless win against St. Louis!!

Why is that? Hargreaves can be physical, I've seen it plenty of times on tape. Whether its against Blake Bone from Kentucky who is 6'5 or Laquan Treadwell from Ole Miss. I don't see the concerns of lack of physicality on tape when I watch Hargreaves, he honestly plays bigger than his size. 

[Clmraven]

Not a Hargreaves fan really. Good technique at college level but not a standout athlete or very physical. Very similar to Claiborne. To be honest I liked Darby far better than I do Hargreaves or Ramsey at cornerback. Ramsey I like at fs but not top3 pick like. I do see the chargers and titans getting another win. What a meaningless win against St. Louis!!

Not a stand out athlete? He has a 41" vertical and elite quickness, and i don't see how you say he's not very physical he can play press well and he ripped the ball out Leonard Fournettes (230 lbs) hands when he had 2 hands on the ball holding on for dear life.

[JoeyFlex5]

i wouldnt put it past dallas to intentionally tank, seems like a very jerryesque thing to do.. we are in competition with the cowboys, titans, and chargers, and currently with the browns but i think they beat us monday night and give us a gift in the long run. titans and chargers both play jacksonville, the chargers are built to play them being able to rack up yards through the air, but even if they beat them i dont see them winning either of their other 2 games and we would need them to win 2 to bypass them, i dont see the titans beating any of their remaining teams but its possible they could pull off one since theyre facing 3 questionable teams, ultimately i dont think there is much movement in the top 3 from here on out besides the ravens and browns swapping spots after they beat us

 

1. chargers 

2. titans 

3. ravens 

4. browns 

5. cowboys 

 

and it brings up a very interesting point. the brownies will likely be looking into a qb here, and there is some controversy in dallas, does jerry wanna move on from romo? the browns know that nobody in the top 3 is taking a qb, so trading up to get one would look like a big waste in picks, so when were on the clock, the browns know how ozzie operates, they know hes on the phone with jerry about a trade back, they know if they want their guy they need to outbid the cowboys for our pick, the ravens end up with a future first round pick for moving back one or 2 spots and still getting our guy. if this is the draft order, then this is what needs to happen

[Maryland]

I don't think the Cowboys would look to tank until they're statistically eliminated from winning their crappy division. But they have yet to win a game w/o Romo starting, so they may not need to tank anyway. 

[Inqui]

I don't think they would pick Hargreaves, they picked a CB in last years draft and have invested a lot in the position. I think they go with someone else. I think Nkemdiche can be the pick there. If I can recall, they run a 4-3 defense so they might value Nkemdiche a lot, even though I don't have him in my top 5, I think he would be a great fit there.

I meant us, we're the ones picking fifth in your situation.

[Winchester]

Not a stand out athlete? He has a 41" vertical and elite quickness, and i don't see how you say he's not very physical he can play press well and he ripped the ball out Leonard Fournettes (230 lbs) hands when he had 2 hands on the ball holding on for dear life.

I said not very physical!! He is not physical on every play. I don't count one play as a physical defender. His game is very similar to Claiborne's. Does not mean bust like Claiborne. I just don't like him as a top3 pick. I just don't think he explodes quite like Darby or the elite explosive backs like young Revis,Rolle, or our own McCalister. I think he is similar to Patrick Surtain or even Claiborne coming out. I dont put much money in his vertical until he does it at the combine!! And I liked Harrison Smith better than Ramsey. But of course Ozzie does not think old players need replacing until they actually fo retire. Then he reaches for whomevers name is left in the hat when it gets to him!! I do not dislike them. I just don't like them as a top4 pick. And there is already aa princess's ransom tied up in the position. With a crappy qb rush any cornerback will get roasted.

[Clmraven]

I said not very physical!! He is not physical on every play. I don't count one play as a physical defender. His game is very similar to Claiborne's. Does not mean bust like Claiborne. I just don't like him as a top3 pick. I just don't think he explodes quite like Darby or the elite explosive backs like young Revis,Rolle, or our own McCalister. I think he is similar to Patrick Surtain or even Claiborne coming out. I dont put much money in his vertical until he does it at the combine!! And I liked Harrison Smith better than Ramsey. But of course Ozzie does not think old players need replacing until they actually fo retire. Then he reaches for whomevers name is left in the hat when it gets to him!! I do not dislike them. I just don't like them as a top4 pick. And there is already aa princess's ransom tied up in the position. With a crappy qb rush any cornerback will get roasted.

I just disagree completely. On tape he has the type of explosion and quickness you see in players like OBJ, and if he compares to Claiborne coming out of college I'd say that's a good thing, Claiborne was one of the most technically sound players to come out in years, he just hasn't be able to get it done at this level so far. As for taking a pass rusher I'd rather wait because pass rusher is much deeper than CB this year. 

[PurpleCity5]

I meant us, we're the ones picking fifth in your situation.

Oh ok, my bad I misunderstood. Lol

[Inqui]

Oh ok, my bad I misunderstood. Lol

We cool, man. We cool.

 

(sticking by my point that if we get pick #5 I'd be hoping for VH3 or Stanley)

[PurpleCity5]

We cool, man. We cool.

(sticking by my point that if we get pick #5 I'd be hoping for VH3 or Stanley)

Yeah personally I prefer Hargreaves. Im a little weary if Stanley can play guard. I hope he lasts to our pick.

[Winchester]

I just disagree completely. On tape he has the type of explosion and quickness you see in players like OBJ, and if he compares to Claiborne coming out of college I'd say that's a good thing, Claiborne was one of the most technically sound players to come out in years, he just hasn't be able to get it done at this level so far. As for taking a pass rusher I'd rather wait because pass rusher is much deeper than CB this year.

That is just the problem dude. To often teams get "A" edge rusher, we got "A" safety "A" receiver. We can get "A" safety edge rusher or WR later in the draft or if "THE" guy is gone just grab the next best one. Kind of like people do when finding their spouse!! How does thst work out?? For marriage's or the ravens of late?? It is not pick a name left in the hat. Not every player turns out to be a stud. An organization has to identify the players management and the scouts want and make a move as opposed to next best receiver or edge rusher. As for edge rushers, quality is not very deep. So far this is not a very deep draft in general. If anything cornerback is OK and receiver is deep although not all of them will be impact players. Do not get me wrong if ravens already fronted a young edge rusher or receiver I would like Hargreaves. He is kind of a luxury the ravens can't afford. And most NFL people I know including a very respected defensive coordinator are still reserved if he has elite explosion at the NFL level. I say he does although a notch below Darby in my opinion. Only scenario I like Hargreaves or Ramsey is if the both prove to be the highest rated at their position over last 5 years or so. AND management acknowledges ravens need a couple years of reloading. As in 2 drafts and an offseason of free salary cap space Which is possible. If ravens are inactive in free agency and eat all the $$ owed this year and remain inactive to create space next year then it means decision makers have realized it will take a couple years of reloading and getting out of cap prison to compete for a Superbowl again.

From what I hear Tunsil will be the pick if available followed by Bosa. I do like vh3, I just liked Darby better. And he would have to be believed to be Revis,Sherman good to consider to take him over Tunsil or Bosa. Peeps are beginning to say Walter Jones when discussing Tunsil.

[Ravenseconbeast]

All abroad the draft jalen ramsay bandwagon taking on passengers.

Only if we are out of top 5 pick.

[GrimCoconut]

That is just the problem dude. To often teams get "A" edge rusher, we got "A" safety "A" receiver. We can get "A" safety edge rusher or WR later in the draft or if "THE" guy is gone just grab the next best one. Kind of like people do when finding their spouse!! How does thst work out?? For marriage's or the ravens of late?? It is not pick a name left in the hat. Not every player turns out to be a stud. An organization has to identify the players management and the scouts want and make a move as opposed to next best receiver or edge rusher. As for edge rushers, quality is not very deep. So far this is not a very deep draft in general. If anything cornerback is OK and receiver is deep although not all of them will be impact players. Do not get me wrong if ravens already fronted a young edge rusher or receiver I would like Hargreaves. He is kind of a luxury the ravens can't afford. And most NFL people I know including a very respected defensive coordinator are still reserved if he has elite explosion at the NFL level. I say he does although a notch below Darby in my opinion. Only scenario I like Hargreaves or Ramsey is if the both prove to be the highest rated at their position over last 5 years or so. AND management acknowledges ravens need a couple years of reloading. As in 2 drafts and an offseason of free salary cap space Which is possible. If ravens are inactive in free agency and eat all the $$ owed this year and remain inactive to create space next year then it means decision makers have realized it will take a couple years of reloading and getting out of cap prison to compete for a Superbowl again.

From what I hear Tunsil will be the pick if available followed by Bosa. I do like vh3, I just liked Darby better. And he would have to be believed to be Revis,Sherman good to consider to take him over Tunsil or Bosa. Peeps are beginning to say Walter Jones when discussing Tunsil.

I think Tunsil is the guy as well, with Bosa right behind him. I think Hargreaves follows those two, however, and I actually think a guy like Ogbah shortly follows them. He just plays exactly like a Raven should.

[Cillmatic]

If Ramsey, bosa, and Hargreaves aren't there is just trade down to get Treadwell, another second round pick and a future first rounder.