Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey?

[Ravenseconbeast]

I think Bosa would offer Suggs some relief time plus Bosa could pretty much just take the year to learn and bulk up. He's an inch taller than Watt, I'm hoping he can get just as big. I think he can get close to Watt's size after about a year.

 

If we draft Bosa, i hope he can come right out of the bat.   Im kind of done with this whole 'lets groom the guy for 4 years and see what happens, but he has high upside' junk.   Bosa has it.  He will knock some QB if he is our guy from day1.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I noticed how a lot of people point out that FS's can cover up poor CB play and while I feel this is true to an extant I strongly feel this isn't always the case neither is it the case in most instances. I can point to multiple teams, Seattle, New England, and San Diego who have feel victim to this. Teams have been constantly attacking their #2's and 3's. Especially Seattle, Cary Williams got picked on all-day against Arizona. NE's other CBs were hammered against New York and that will likely be the reoccurring theme for theme. It will hurt them eventually. I don't see many examples of FS's covering up CBs unless that FS has a shutdown CB along his side. I'm not trying to sound annoyed or come across as arrogant, but I really don't understand this argument. 

 

 

A great FS can bail out CB's who make mistakes and great a CB can make a FS's job a lot easier and allow him to roam around more. This CB vs S argument has been going on for awhile, but there's a definite answer. There have been plenty of examples of both throughout the league. It really just depends on what you prefer and the defensive scheme the team runs.

 

See rave's response. When you have a shutdown corner that takes away a side of the field or a receiver, but if you have a great FS you know that your 2s and 3s are going to have help over the top and can elevate their play. Cary Williams looked pretty good when he was on the Ravens, but he also had Reed over the top along with Jimmy on the otherside

[curtis0360]

All abroad the draft jalen ramsay bandwagon taking on passengers. 

[Ravens2343]

A great FS can bail out CB's who make mistakes and great a CB can make a FS's job a lot easier and allow him to roam around more. This CB vs S argument has been going on for awhile, but there's a definite answer. There have been plenty of examples of both throughout the league. It really just depends on what you prefer and the defensive scheme the team runs.

 

I agree 100%.  Ramsey and Hargreaves are both great prospects, but we have Terrence Brooks and Matt Elam who both were high picks and are still young.  If both Ramsey and Hargreaves are equal in terms of placement on the Ravens big board, then I may lean towards taking Hargreaves.  Webb and Jimmy are injury prone and behind them we have no one, unless we are able to sign a good veteran corner in free agency.

[PurpleCity5]

See rave's response. When you have a shutdown corner that takes away a side of the field or a receiver, but if you have a great FS you know that your 2s and 3s are going to have help over the top and can elevate their play. Cary Williams looked pretty good when he was on the Ravens, but he also had Reed over the top along with Jimmy on the otherside

I think it goes both ways. Cary honestly had a love-hate relationship here, I can look back at him being a scrapgoat in our 2011 season, but lets not forget we had Webb playing out of his mind that year. It made Ed's job a bit easier allowing him roam around more freely. With Webb playing that great, it opened the door for Cary to get attacked. I personally feel that anyone can argue we need a CB as much as a FS, but thats just my opinion. I just don't see much in that arguement of a FS covering up poor CB play. It handicaps the safety if anything, he won't be able to play aggressive and will be forced to play more conservative.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I think it goes both ways. Cary honestly had a love-hate relationship here, I can look back at him being a scrapgoat in our 2011 season, but lets not forget we had Webb playing out of his mind that year. It made Ed's job a bit easier allowing him roam around more freely. With Webb playing that great, it opened the door for Cary to get attacked. I personally feel that anyone can argue we need a CB as much as a FS, but thats just my opinion. I just don't see much in that arguement of a FS covering up poor CB play. It handicaps the safety if anything, he won't be able to play aggressive and will be forced to play more conservative.

 

You also made the argument against yourself. Webb was playing out of his mind opening the door for Williams to be attacked. It does go both ways and I think we'd be happy with either

[Cillmatic]

I noticed how a lot of people point out that FS's can cover up poor CB play and while I feel this is true to an extant I strongly feel this isn't always the case neither is it the case in most instances. I can point to multiple teams, Seattle, New England, and San Diego who have feel victim to this. Teams have been constantly attacking their #2's and 3's. Especially Seattle, Cary Williams got picked on all-day against Arizona. NE's other CBs were hammered against New York and that will likely be the reoccurring theme for theme. It will hurt them eventually. I don't see many examples of FS's covering up CBs unless that FS has a shutdown CB along his side. I'm not trying to sound annoyed or come across as arrogant, but I really don't understand this argument.

You just swong me, I'm a Hargreaves guy now.

[PurpleCity5]

You also made the argument against yourself. Webb was playing out of his mind opening the door for Williams to be attacked. It does go both ways and I think we'd be happy with either

It also helped Reed as well, to be able to roam more freely. It does goes both ways, I just don't see how the "FS cover CB play" arguement holds up in todays NFL. I do like both as well and I would be hyped with either Hargreaves or Ramsey.

[PurpleCity5]

You just swong me, I'm a Hargreaves guy now.

You can be a fan of both of them. No need to pick sides they're both great players.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

It also helped Reed as well, to be able to roam more freely. It does goes both ways, I just don't see how the "FS cover CB play" arguement holds up in todays NFL. I do like both as well and I would be hyped with either Hargreaves or Ramsey.

 

I look at all those years where we had Reed and our secondary woes were never this severe, granted the league is much more inclined to air it out now. If a QB is afraid to throw it over the top then the corners only have to worry about ten yards then covering becomes much easier.

[Willbacker]

Bosa. The passrush creates the good pass defense. Trenches 1st.

[JoeyFlex5]

Bosa. The passrush creates the good pass defense. Trenches 1st.

while this is true, and i typically agree, its just not that easy for this team. its a much more difficult thing to pinpoint. both our pass rush and secondary are anemic, but there is a point when one side of the defense is SO BAD that no matter how stacked the other parts are, that it wont help, at this point i personally believe the secondary is so god awful that no amount of pass rush can fix it, if we are gonna fix one before the other, i vote secondary first, but not at the expense of getting truly the best talent.

[Willbacker]

while this is true, and i typically agree, its just not that easy for this team. its a much more difficult thing to pinpoint. both our pass rush and secondary are anemic, but there is a point when one side of the defense is SO BAD that no matter how stacked the other parts are, that it wont help, at this point i personally believe the secondary is so god awful that no amount of pass rush can fix it, if we are gonna fix one before the other, i vote secondary first, but not at the expense of getting truly the best talent.​

We're gonna have to load up on both areas but it is truly harder to find quality passrushing help than it is to find secondary help in the later rds. We would have to have either the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft to have a chance to land Bosa.

[PurpleCity5]

I look at all those years where we had Reed and our secondary woes were never this severe, granted the league is much more inclined to air it out now. If a QB is afraid to throw it over the top then the corners only have to worry about ten yards then covering becomes much easier.

This is a league where QBs are starting to complete more and more short passes. In a passing league, more and more CBs are starting to become exposed. 

[GrimCoconut]

One thing I'll say is that if you have a ferocious pass rush and have an elite FS you can get crazy turnovers. You can get them off CB as well but I think it's a bit better for a FS in that regard.

With that said, there's nothing wrong with having multiple elite CB and we've seen teams succeed in big ways with this model, like the 2015 Broncos. They have an elite pair of CB and pass rush but safeties essentially on par with ours. This essentially means you can have 2/3 of these great and benefit the others but you must have 2/3 of these great.

[ravensnation5220]

Ramsey. Im not sure how bosa would work as a stand up guy. And i feel it would take bosa more time to get acclimated to the game. Ramsey could come in and make a difference. I just feel ramsey has the attitude and swagger that he could bring back to a ravens defense that has no identity

[ravensnation5220]

Ramsey. Im not sure how bosa would work as a stand up guy. And i feel it would take bosa more time to get acclimated to the game. Ramsey could come in and make a difference. I just feel ramsey has the attitude and swagger that he could bring back to a ravens defense that has no identity

[PurpleCity5]

Ramsey. Im not sure how bosa would work as a stand up guy. And i feel it would take bosa more time to get acclimated to the game. Ramsey could come in and make a difference. I just feel ramsey has the attitude and swagger that he could bring back to a ravens defense that has no identity

I think Bosa would be fine as a stand up rusher, that said I wouldn't be upset if we took Ramsey over Bosa.

[ravensnation5220]

I think Bosa would be fine as a stand up rusher, that said I wouldn't be upset if we took Ramsey over Bosa.

https://youtu.be/q4lAF5jJGrc

I thing this tape says enough about his potential

[PurpleCity5]

https://youtu.be/q4lAF5jJGrc

I thing this tape says enough about his potential

Yeah, first play of the sequence and its a forced fumble by Ramsey. Can't help but noticed Philip Dorsett, no wonder why I was such a huge fan of him.

[ravensnation5220]

Yeah, first play of the sequence and its a forced fumble by Ramsey. Can't help but noticed Philip Dorsett, no wonder why I was such a huge fan of him.

i just put up a video of DESMOND KING on the db thread you should check it out

[PurpleCity5]

i just put up a video of DESMOND KING on the db thread you should check it out

I've been trying to check out Desmond King, I might later on today or tomorrow. Theres some guys out there I'm trying to see.

[Cillmatic]

i just put up a video of DESMOND KING on the db thread you should check it out

He looks like a beast. If he's available in the 3rd round I'd take him.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I feel like if Bosas on the board wheb were up, we will take him, we need to reignite our pass rush for sure. But an O-line pick could be solid too with uncertainty with Zuttah, and Monroe.

[TDubbs]

VH3 would be the most impactful guy we could draft, imo. He is a straight up dynamic playmaker and has the ability to be a true shutdown CB in this league. I say the most 'impactful' b/c that is our weakness right now, but would instantly become our strength paired w/ Jimmy. 

[PurpleCity5]

VH3 would be the most impactful guy we could draft, imo. He is a straight up dynamic playmaker and has the ability to be a true shutdown CB in this league. I say the most 'impactful' b/c that is our weakness right now, but would instantly become our strength paired w/ Jimmy. 

He's so smooth as a CB. He's just a natural at the position. People like to say he's not strong but he's got a physical game to him, not to mention he's quick. He's also Pro Ready, I feel that he can come here day 1 and make an impact as a potential slot CB and in the event one of our CBs go down we can plug him in right there. He'll give us depth and the potential to create a deadly CB tandem between him and Jimmy. I feel like Bosa is my pick if we were to pick today, but if he's gone then Hargreaves is my guy. 

 

I'll also say this, the drop off in talent after Hargreaves is significant, while Ramsey is no-doubt the best safety in this class, I feel that there are guys out there who can flat out ball at safety like Vonn Bell and Darian Thompson who I really like a lot. 

Edited November 21, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[January J]

He's so smooth as a CB. He's just a natural at the position. People like to say he's not strong but he's got a physical game to him, not to mention he's quick. He's also Pro Ready, I feel that he can come here day 1 and make an impact as a potential slot CB and in the event one of our CBs go down we can plug him in right there. He'll give us depth and the potential to create a deadly CB tandem between him and Jimmy. I feel like Bosa is my pick if we were to pick today, but if he's gone then Hargreaves is my guy. 

 

I'll also say this, the drop off in talent after Hargreaves is significant, while Ramsey is no-doubt the best safety in this class, I feel that there are guys out there who can flat out ball at safety like Vonn Bell and Darian Thompson who I really like a lot.

we missed out on Marcus peters and he has been balling out this year. I don't want to miss out on Hargreaves. I think he's our guy. Biscotti will want bosa but if he's gone I think it's a no brainer. Ramsey would be option 3. I'm just e cited bc at this point it looks like we will be walking away with atleast one of them.

[PurpleCity5]

we missed out on Marcus peters and he has been balling out this year. I don't want to miss out on Hargreaves. I think he's our guy. Biscotti will want bosa but if he's gone I think it's a no brainer. Ramsey would be option 3. I'm just e cited bc at this point it looks like we will be walking away with atleast one of them.

I honestly don't mind who it is between Hargreaves and Ramsey, I just want the best playmaker/difference maker we can get. I'd pick Hargreaves but thats just me personally, someone else may favor Ramsey and thats just fine. They are both great players.

[Cillmatic]

Seems like Hargreaves just left the game with an injury. He's not playing. He's currently on Instagram DURING the game.

[TDubbs]

He's so smooth as a CB. He's just a natural at the position. People like to say he's not strong but he's got a physical game to him, not to mention he's quick. He's also Pro Ready, I feel that he can come here day 1 and make an impact as a potential slot CB and in the event one of our CBs go down we can plug him in right there. He'll give us depth and the potential to create a deadly CB tandem between him and Jimmy. I feel like Bosa is my pick if we were to pick today, but if he's gone then Hargreaves is my guy. 

 

I'll also say this, the drop off in talent after Hargreaves is significant, while Ramsey is no-doubt the best safety in this class, I feel that there are guys out there who can flat out ball at safety like Vonn Bell and Darian Thompson who I really like a lot. 

 

I would agree, and people might not realize VH3 is pushing 200 lbs. Size, speed and skill similar to the Patrick Peterson's and Joe Haden's coming out of college. He also just seems like one of those guys that finds his way around the football all the time.

 

Hes a plug and play starting CB in this league and with the WR's especially in our division we desperately need a guy like this to pair with Jimmy.  You pair them up and you give our DC a ton of options b/c he knows he can lock down some WR's. 

 

While I love Bosa I just don't think he would make more of an impact on this team at this point than VH3 would. We can't cover anybody right now and have zero consistency in the secondary. I also feel there are a lot of pass rushers in rounds 2 and on, and we're the best at finding those guys late.