Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey?

[JoeyFlex5]

It's funny how Calhoun has great hands and instincts, but limited athleticism and is slow off the ball, while Lawson has amazing effort but his explosiveness isn't consistent and he looks like he's just timing the snap. Then we have Ogbah, who is fast off the ball but to be honest, his use of hands isn't that good. That's a major problem I saw in his game. He's also not very good in coverage, then again, few OLB are.

the only one who has the burst, hands, motor, strength, and iq, became a pipe dream when Brent urban blocked that kick

[Inqui]

the only one who has the burst, hands, motor, strength, and iq, became a pipe dream when Brent urban blocked that kick

Yeah, felt really good to not get swept by Cleveland (really good), but watching our inside track to him or Tunsil fade away definitely made the win more hollow.

[52520Andrew]

It's funny how Calhoun has great hands and instincts, but limited athleticism and is slow off the ball, while Lawson has amazing effort but his explosiveness isn't consistent and he looks like he's just timing the snap. Then we have Ogbah, who is fast off the ball but to be honest, his use of hands isn't that good. That's a major problem I saw in his game. He's also not very good in coverage, then again, few OLB are.

Yeah I just don't see Ogbah ripping through guys, always seems to win with speed around the edge and NFL tackles are much faster than college guys. I also don't like guys too tall as it can be hard for those guys to anchor defending the run as the low guy wins although I haven't seen enough of Ogbah to judge in that department too much.

Bosa is my favorite pass rusher in the draft and I don't see it being that close although I have concerns with him as well given that suspension.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah, felt really good to not get swept by Cleveland (really good), but watching our inside track to him or Tunsil fade away definitely made the win more hollow.

I actually was sad at the win, because I know how massive of a difference that meant. I can't fault them for it though and I'll never ask them to tank, I was just going w fell short in a valiant effort every week lol

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah I just don't see Ogbah ripping through guys, always seems to win with speed around the edge and NFL tackles are much faster than college guys. I also don't like guys too tall as it can be hard for those guys to anchor defending the run as the low guy wins although I haven't seen enough of Ogbah to judge in that department too much.

Bosa is my favorite pass rusher in the draft and I don't see it being that close although I have concerns with him as well given that suspension.

ogbah is a powerful man though, he is a natural bully on the edge with all the burst and athleticism to go with it, all he needs is some hand coaching and it wouldn't hurt for him to play with lower hips

[Inqui]

I actually was sad at the win, because I know how massive of a difference that meant. I can't fault them for it though and I'll never ask them to tank, I was just going w fell short in a valiant effort every week lol

This is me as well (still is tbh), but the flipside of those outcomes is that we'll naturally end up jagging a few more wins. Same kinda thing with keeping the games close (not really unrelated to giving effort every week I guess): statistically you're going to get some more wins through luck alone.

 

But the bright side of being "good" enough to win a few extra games is that I'd expect us to be in a much better position going forward than most other sides with the same record. The Colts went 2-14 for a reason, and those reasons didn't just disappear after they drafted Andrew Luck (still hate those guys for fluking their way to a franchise QB the year after their previous franchise QB goes down but on the bright side my team isn't owned by an Irsay).

 

All things considered, I think I'd rather have that more complete roster and have that winning mentality drilled into the players at the expense of a slightly worse draft pick than have it the other way around like they do in Cleveland and other sides who'll find a way to get a higher pick than us.

[January J]

Lawson did look a little sluggish off the snap. I can kind of see the upshaw comparison. The guy looks huge out there.

[ravefan52]

I don't like Shaq Lawson at all as a pass rusher. He could be a beast against the run, but we don't need another Upshaw. From what I've seen he looks big and slow, and really only gets to the QB with the bull rush or that spin move. I question both of those translating to the next level. He had a couple good plays vs Stanley and people start calling him a 1st rounder. I don't see it.

Now the other Lawson, Carl. That guy is a beast.

Edited December 7, 2015 by ravefan52

[Sami84]

i'd be very worried about ozzie falling in love with the big number of courtney upshaw clones in this draft..

 

 

i don't know why but i feel ozzie is going to pull a stinker..

[GrimCoconut]

I don't like Shaq Lawson at all as a pass rusher. He could be a beast against the run, but we don't need another Upshaw. From what I've seen he looks big and slow, and really only gets to the QB with the bull rush or that spin move. I question both of those translating to the next level. He had a couple good plays vs Stanley and people start calling him a 1st rounder. I don't see it.

Now the other Lawson, Carl. That guy is a beast.

Couldn't agree more on Shaq. I've watched more games and I don't like him. I'll pass.

[Deflated Football]

VH3 is still my guy! Him and Jimmy would be beautiful to see.

[DomMcRaven]

i'd be very worried about ozzie falling in love with the big number of courtney upshaw clones in this draft..

 

 

i don't know why but i feel ozzie is going to pull a stinker..

Even if we go 4-12?

[Cillmatic]

VH3 is still my guy! Him and Jimmy would be beautiful to see.

Our QB being alive would be an even better view. We need a LT.

[JoeyFlex5]

Our QB being alive would be an even better view. We need a LT.

agreed, too bad we missed the boat when we beat Cleveland. We went from real contender for top pick, to probably missing top5 with one snap. I don't think it was worth it

[gabefergy]

I just don't think this is a very good class of edge rushers after Bosa, and even with Bosa there are couple things you could knock him for. 

 

Lawson I think is a top 15 player. He plays with power and has a very good motor. I agree that he lacks elite speed of the edge, but he makes up for it a bit with  a nice bull and counter moves including that spin move which is niiiice.

 

Ogbah has very good size/length, but he doesn't use it well. He has more speed off the edge than Lawson, but he doesn't play with power consistently considering his size. He plays too high and doesn't have a good counter move. He has a lot of upside, but I'm not sold on him.

 

Calhoun has ideal size, plays hard, but I feel like he can be inconsistent. He has a slow get-off imo. I'm keeping my eye on him as a guy whose stock might rise. I feel like he is lacking in the power element even though he looks like a guy who would be stronger.

 

Eric Striker has speed off the edge, but I do think he is too small for a 3-4. He's going to be best as a 4-3 OLB. Jordan Jenkins is also small.

 

I still need to watch a few guys like Carl Lawson and Nassib

[gabefergy]

I just see no reason for him to come out unless he 100% is certain he'll check out. I think he's a first round talent this year, but he needs to check out

However, if he does check out and does declare, he won't slip because of his injury. I think people fail to understand that if a player isn't in jeopardy of missing a portion of his rookie season, his draft position won't suffer due to one injury. I'd argue he's in the top three of the receivers in this draft with the only real knock being raw route running

He's staying in school. Probably the right move for him.

[JoeyFlex5]

Carl Lawson may be the best all around 3-4 olb in this class. He has ideal everything. His tape Is very impressive

[Deflated Football]

Our QB being alive would be an even better view. We need a LT.

True but I don't think we have a shot at the top two.

[Sami84]

True but I don't think we have a shot at the top two.

i think we have a shot at stanley

[GrimCoconut]

I just don't think this is a very good class of edge rushers after Bosa, and even with Bosa there are couple things you could knock him for. 

 

Lawson I think is a top 15 player. He plays with power and has a very good motor. I agree that he lacks elite speed of the edge, but he makes up for it a bit with  a nice bull and counter moves including that spin move which is niiiice.

 

Ogbah has very good size/length, but he doesn't use it well. He has more speed off the edge than Lawson, but he doesn't play with power consistently considering his size. He plays too high and doesn't have a good counter move. He has a lot of upside, but I'm not sold on him.

 

Calhoun has ideal size, plays hard, but I feel like he can be inconsistent. He has a slow get-off imo. I'm keeping my eye on him as a guy whose stock might rise. I feel like he is lacking in the power element even though he looks like a guy who would be stronger.

 

Eric Striker has speed off the edge, but I do think he is too small for a 3-4. He's going to be best as a 4-3 OLB. Jordan Jenkins is also small.

 

I still need to watch a few guys like Carl Lawson and Nassib

Shaq just doesn't impress me much beyond the fact that he's big and moves well for being as big as he is but he looks like another Upshaw and I don't see the pass rush outside that sweet spin move of his (and it is really nice) and his bull rush. I'm always wary of a prospect who gets their pass rush through the bull rush as a 3-4 OLB prospect. I agree that every 3-4 pass rusher has major concerns, even up to Bosa himself. It's really a weak pass rusher class. I like Nassib a lot,  but even he concerns me with his length and his inability to likely do well in coverage but he can rush the passer and has a nice first-step. I haven't seen Carl, so he's one I need to watch before I can fairly give an assessment on the OLB class, but it's mostly underwhelming. 

[Deflated Football]

i think we have a shot at stanley

I would rather have VH3 over Stanley but Tunsil over everyone else. I still think the front office is counting on Monroe however. 

[52520Andrew]

ogbah is a powerful man though, he is a natural bully on the edge with all the burst and athleticism to go with it, all he needs is some hand coaching and it wouldn't hurt for him to play with lower hips

 

I agree that he has power and potential but I don't see him using it bull rushing guys though. He has a couple plays where he flashes it but I almost feel like he is holding back, it is kinda frustrating to watch.

[Cillmatic]

If Tunsil's on the board willing to bet everything that we take him.

[BmoreBird22]

He's staying in school. Probably the right move for him.

I kinda thought he would. He should be the unquestioned best receiver in the draft going into the 2016 season. Just sucks because he'd look real good in the purple and black.

[GrimCoconut]

If Tunsil's on the board willing to bet everything that we take him.

I think I would bet the same. 

[ravensnation5220]

how many times was he thrown at though? That is important to put things into context

he seemed to get thrown at a lot against alabama. He did really well with his tackling and broke up a couple short passes (one was a fade) but i saw him get beat deep twice and outjumped both times once by a true freshman(even if he is a stud). It worries me isnt that hes necessarily getting beat deep but that when he has a chance to recover he seems to get outjumped by the receiver most likely because of his size and alabama took advantage of that. Im just worried how hes going to match up when other teams try to put big bodies on him

[FastEddie]

he seemed to get thrown at a lot against alabama. He did really well with his tackling and broke up a couple short passes (one was a fade) but i saw him get beat deep twice and outjumped both times once by a true freshman(even if he is a stud). It worries me isnt that hes necessarily getting beat deep but that when he has a chance to recover he seems to get outjumped by the receiver most likely because of his size and alabama took advantage of that. Im just worried how hes going to match up when other teams try to put big bodies on him

 

I didn't get to watch this game, but putting the tape into perspectives I would hope that VH3 would become our #1 if he's being picked that high. However, it would be painful to watch out highest draft pick in years get out reached on throws week to week...

 

I'm sticking with Ramsey. I think his size and versatility is something we value highly in addition to his measurables and ability. 

[January J]

If Tunsil's on the board willing to bet everything that we take him.

yeah I almost don't even think it's a question anymore. Would be interesting if both tunsil and bosa were available but I still think we'd go tunsil ...protecting joes blindside will be the new priority. Although I think bisciotti might be clamoring for us to go with bosa since he didn't get his wish last year to add a pass rusher. Will he pressure us into going that way or will he just let Ozzie do his thing? I'm thinking the latter.

[January J]

I didn't get to watch this game, but putting the tape into perspectives I would hope that VH3 would become our #1 if he's being picked that high. However, it would be painful to watch out highest draft pick in years get out reached on throws week to week...

 

I'm sticking with Ramsey. I think his size and versatility is something we value highly in addition to his measurables and ability.

I'm kind of starting to lean back over to Ramsey as well. I think the versatility will put him above vh3 on our board. With the amount of injuries we've suffered recently we will value players higher who we can move around and sub in for somebody in a pinch.

[ravensnation5220]

I'm kind of starting to lean back over to Ramsey as well. I think the versatility will put him above vh3 on our board. With the amount of injuries we've suffered recently we will value players higher who we can move around and sub in for somebody in a pinch.

Although i completely agree and thinkwe will switch a few more time before draft day lol. I think if bosa manages to get to us biscotti is gonna push ozzie to take him because of a desire for a pass rusher. Especially since this draft seems weak at the olb position and deep in secondary players