Bosa, Hargreaves or Ramsey?

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm really disappointed that nfl.com pulled the "Scouting the scouts" column this year. It'd be interesting to see how many OK State games we sent scouts to this year.

Though fwiw I think we had scouts at every Baylor game last year for all that did (could have been to build a file on someone in the upcoming draft though).

hoping like hell it's not oakman or Coleman

[Winchester]

What makes you so sure that bosa is the only good pass rusher in the draft? I'm not even sure we'll be getting close to drafting bosa after this win what's your plan then? Who's "THE next edge rusher" after bosa? Nobody? Should we just forfeit our pick if we can't get THE guy?

What makes you so sure that bosa is the only good pass rusher in the draft? I'm not even sure we'll be getting close to drafting bosa after this win what's your plan then? Who's "THE next edge rusher" after bosa? Nobody? Should we just forfeit our pick if we can't get THE guy?

Tunsil!! Best player in the draft in my opinion!! After that a difference maker on that level will be tough to find! Either will completely change an offense or defense. The ravens probably wouldn't of made the Superbowl without Ogden!! Would you give up Ogden being a Raven or one meaningless win?? Or Boulware or Jamal Lewis over one meaningless win over a pathetic team??

[Winchester]

Your beating a dead horse man, he doesn't get it. 

 

Anyways, I think I'm the only one who is scared of getting Bosa.  I just have a feeling he won't live up to what everyone thinks.  I am in no way in tuned as most in here on college ball, but something just doesn't feel right about him to me.  

 

I'm sticking with my love for Ogbha and Hargreaves.

You obviously do not get it!! Ravens need some alpha males. The current team does not have the talent to compete for a championship!! Bosa isn't the player I like. It was an example!! My opinion Tunsil is the best player and will change the culture and tone on offense.

I am going to guess you are still hoping for the playoffs?? lol

[usmccharles]

You obviously do not get it!! Ravens need some alpha males. The current team does not have the talent to compete for a championship!! Bosa isn't the player I like. It was an example!! My opinion Tunsil is the best player and will change the culture and tone on offense.

I am going to guess you are still hoping for the playoffs?? lol

I was discussing bosa... Hence the reason why I stated Bosa. I guess I'm just still pissed off that you can't get age right or your opinion varies from mine. I've been clear I like Hargreaves and ogbha.... Man why do I bother Edited December 3, 2015 by usmccharles

[Winchester]

I was discussing bosa... Hence the reason why I stated Bosa. I guess I'm just still pissed off that you can't get age right or your opinion varies from mine. I've been clear I like Hargreaves and ogbha.... Man why do I bother

Why am I not surprised you like a cornerback of all things?? Tunsil is the most dominant player in this draft. And you probably consider a 9-7 and a playoff L successful?? And 34,35????!!!!! What are you saying?? You don't consider both ages a declining player?? What is your argument??

Edited December 3, 2015 by Winchester

[The Oakland Cathedral]

Why am I not surprised you like a cornerback of all things?? Tunsil is the most dominant player in this draft. And you probably consider a 9-7 and a playoff L successful?? And 34,35????!!!!! What are you saying?? You don't consider both ages a declining player?? What is your argument??

Why are there so many question marks?Are you confused on how to use them or are you just emphasizing how inquisitive you are?

[Winchester]

Why are there so many question marks?Are you confused on how to use them or are you just emphasizing how inquisitive you are?

What do you think?? Seems like your the confused one!! Let him answer the question. 34,35, are not both ages around the time LBs are a shell of their prime. He acts like there is a big difference. Or he totally missed the point that the players will likely be a shell of their prime!! Except for QBs of course.

[usmccharles]

Why am I not surprised you like a cornerback of all things?? Tunsil is the most dominant player in this draft. And you probably consider a 9-7 and a playoff L successful?? And 34,35????!!!!! What are you saying?? You don't consider both ages a declining player?? What is your argument??

I'm not bothering... Agree to disagree.

[LordRavens]

Your beating a dead horse man, he doesn't get it. 

 

Anyways, I think I'm the only one who is scared of getting Bosa.  I just have a feeling he won't live up to what everyone thinks.  I am in no way in tuned as most in here on college ball, but something just doesn't feel right about him to me.  

 

I'm sticking with my love for Ogbha and Hargreaves.  

You're not the only one 

[Winchester]

I'm not bothering... Agree to disagree.

Then why even bring it up?? Seems like you are suggesting there is a big difference in a 35 yr old olb or a year younger. And I said he will be going on 35 so i was correct. Even If I was wrong then the point was correct. Suggs will likely not be an impact player returning from Achilles at his age. You made it seem like that complete idea was wrong if I was off by a year about his age. And it seemed like you were saying you believe Suggs will anchor the qb rush. If you do agree Suggs can not be counted on to be an impact edge rusher and the ravens will need another edge rusher to anchor the defense; Then what was the point of arguing and bringing it up in the first place??

[usmccharles]

Then why even bring it up?? Seems like you are suggesting there is a big difference in a 35 yr old olb or a year younger. And I said he will be going on 35 so i was correct. Even If I was wrong then the point was correct. Suggs will likely not be an impact player returning from Achilles at his age. You made it seem like that complete idea was wrong if I was off by a year about his age. And it seemed like you were saying you believe Suggs will anchor the qb rush. If you do agree Suggs can not be counted on to be an impact edge rusher and the ravens will need another edge rusher to anchor the defense; Then what was the point of arguing and bringing it up in the first place??

dude I posted about bosa then you derailed everything talking about your alpha male. I'm not paying the toll anymore for your bridge. Agree to disagree and move on Edited December 3, 2015 by usmccharles

[Winchester]

lol no i was saying the players are alpha males!! Bosa,Ogbah. Not a Hargreaves fan however. Actually I am but not as much as the alpha males. Receivers are given so much freedom that it negates the impact somewhat of a shutdown cornerback. I do not like to argue. Ravens fans want the ravens to be best. I like Tunsil. When you get a minute watch his clips then all the other tackles that went top10 over last 10 drafts. You may end up wanting Tunsil:) Tunsil, Osemele,Urschel,Yanda ,Wagner/Monroe will be almost unfair to football defenses!!

[gabefergy]

lol no i was saying the players are alpha males!! Bosa,Ogbah. Not a Hargreaves fan however. Actually I am but not as much as the alpha males. Receivers are given so much freedom that it negates the impact somewhat of a shutdown cornerback. I do not like to argue. Ravens fans want the ravens to be best. I like Tunsil. When you get a minute watch his clips then all the other tackles that went top10 over last 10 drafts. You may end up wanting Tunsil:) Tunsil, Osemele,Urschel,Yanda ,Wagner/Monroe will be almost unfair to football defenses!!

Osemele is gone after this year, making OL a bit more of a priority. Urschel will likely step into that role though. Bigger question on the OL is durability of Monroe and Wagner contract status and level of play. 

 

Tunsil would be a great addition, but he looks to be a top 3 pick.

[JoeyFlex5]

Tunsil is a lost cause. We're not picking top 3

[GrimCoconut]

Hey, we're all Ravens fans here. Let's not get snippy, now.

I'd love Tunsil but he doesn't look good. I think he's out of reach but if not go get him!

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I think the "blue-chip" elite players this year are Bosa, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley, and Tunsil. Looks like we might be on the edge of that range and chances of us grabbing one are very slim, however if someone grabs Paxton/Goff then we've got a shot.

 

If the season ended today and we were picking 8th I'd be fine with either of the tackles, top 5, I think we can get Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, or get a good haul to trade back and grab ourselves an Ogbah while having an extra second or potentially extra first next year

[JoeyFlex5]

I think the "blue-chip" elite players this year are Bosa, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley, and Tunsil. Looks like we might be on the edge of that range and chances of us grabbing one are very slim, however if someone grabs Paxton/Goff then we've got a shot.

 

If the season ended today and we were picking 8th I'd be fine with either of the tackles, top 5, I think we can get Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, or get a good haul to trade back and grab ourselves an Ogbah while having an extra second or potentially extra first next year

the way ogbah has been rising, i find it hard to believe we could trade back and realistically see a chance to get him. i would almost be surpised if he fell to 8th, he appears to be the consensus 2nd ranked edge rusher, some teams may prefer lawson but i couldnt imagine that many do. 

 

i think ogbah is a blue chip prospect, and i think you can remove nkemdiche and stanley from that list, thats all subjective though, i cant remember who stanley struggled against recently but it highlighted some concerns of his and has made me doubt him, and nkemdiche has a ton of flaws that i think pro scouts will struggle to overlook. 

 

bold statement here, but i think there is a VERY solid chance that ogbah ends up going before stanley or nkemdiche.

[GrimCoconut]

I think the "blue-chip" elite players this year are Bosa, Nkemdiche, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Stanley, and Tunsil. Looks like we might be on the edge of that range and chances of us grabbing one are very slim, however if someone grabs Paxton/Goff then we've got a shot.

If the season ended today and we were picking 8th I'd be fine with either of the tackles, top 5, I think we can get Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, or get a good haul to trade back and grab ourselves an Ogbah while having an extra second or potentially extra first next year

I really only see three legitimate blue chip players, who are Hargreaves, Tunsil and Bosa. After them, I think Stanley, Ogbah, Nkemdiche, and Ramsey are excellent prospects but have areas that make me wonder whether they'll be as effective in the NFL. They're still quality players, though. Edited December 3, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[January J]

Ogbah just has that Ravens type name. Boulware, Ogden, ngata, Suggs , OGBAH.

lol just fits.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

the way ogbah has been rising, i find it hard to believe we could trade back and realistically see a chance to get him. i would almost be surpised if he fell to 8th, he appears to be the consensus 2nd ranked edge rusher, some teams may prefer lawson but i couldnt imagine that many do. 

 

i think ogbah is a blue chip prospect, and i think you can remove nkemdiche and stanley from that list, thats all subjective though, i cant remember who stanley struggled against recently but it highlighted some concerns of his and has made me doubt him, and nkemdiche has a ton of flaws that i think pro scouts will struggle to overlook. 

 

bold statement here, but i think there is a VERY solid chance that ogbah ends up going before stanley or nkemdiche.

 

Ogbah is right on the edge of that list. If we're sitting there and both QBs are still on the board with Ogbah I think that we might be able to move back, even just 1 spot to a team that wants their guy. What did Cleveland give Minnesota for Richardson? A 4,5, and 7 just to make sure no one else jumped them?

[Cillmatic]

Just don't watch Ogbah's Texas Tech game film...

[gabefergy]

I like Lawson more than Ogbah, but they are close. For some reason I don't trust pass-rushers out of the Big12. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

I like Lawson more than Ogbah, but they are close. For some reason I don't trust pass-rushers out of the Big12. 

 

The Big 12 and defense don't exactly go together well

[JoeyFlex5]

Just don't watch Ogbah's Texas Tech game film...

didnt he have 2 sacks that game?

[PurpleCity5]

I hope Nkemdiche rises. Some seem to have cooled down on him. Maybe the combine can do him justice hopefully. 

Edited December 4, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Sizzlebshu]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that this isnt a fairly deep class with talent

[Cillmatic]

didnt he have 2 sacks that game?

I mean the WHOLE game. He's REALLY inconsistent.

[52520Andrew]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that this isnt a fairly deep class with talent

Yeah this is about what I viewed the class last year as although it is still early.

[Winchester]

Carl Lawson!!

[JoeyFlex5]

I mean the WHOLE game. He's REALLY inconsistent.

i saw a sampling of it but not the whole game, what i saw was a solid matchup between 2 projected nfl starters. for ogbah to post 2 sacks and i also know he had a few TFL against a LT who is getting 2nd round hype, i would call a pretty good performance. if monroe gave up 2 sacks in one game it would be considered a horrible performance, if dumervil got 2 legitimate sacks in which he beat the OT one on one then that would be considered a good performance. you simply cant win every single snap, just because he didnt doesnt mean the guys inconsistent. 

 

most of what i saw was him getting a good jump, and clark tightening his angle to wash him out of the back of the pocket, no harm in that at all, that just leaves the OT vulnerable to leave the inside lane open in the future, something suggs takes advantage of very well(notice the most common comparison ogbah gets around here?)