Vent thread week 10: Jaguars

[rmw10]

I meant not have the corner sit on short routes to Aiken on every play. You have to consider he is the number one read on probably every play.

 

That's the sad part.  I understand injuries happen but it should never get to the point where Kamar Aiken is your #1 WR.  I like Aiken, but man, that's rough.

[BmoreBird22]

Yup. And people want him gone lol. 

 

Fwiw. I think Givens sticking around is a good idea. He'd be one of the more reliable #3 WRs in the NFL. We could use that. q

I think he'll be good in the Jacoby, field stretching role. I also hope Mostert sticks around for a while.

[edthehead]

I don't think Harbaugh is our problem.  What we are experiencing is a long period of sub standard drafting...Too long for Today's NFL. You can't blow your top picks like we've been butchering them the last five years.  We haven't drafted any phenoms.

 

That said, I don't believe the team is responding to Harbaugh any longer.  8 years is a long gig in the NFL and we are at a complete rebuild juncture.  Still, we need to address the root problem.  We have a very old front office that has been entitled. Its time to address that.

HARB is not the only problem,, but he is the head coach,, 

when you get this many stupid penalties,, problem,,

when you throw a million times and 999 thousand go to aiken,,, problem

there was a thread on here that said " what would you do if we won 8 straight games?" ,,, I was going to write simply  "support our coaches",,, our coaches Harb in general is not an X and O type of coach so how can he follow up and correct,,, 

[BmoreBird22]

That's the sad part.  I understand injuries happen but it should never get to the point where Kamar Aiken is your #1 WR.  I like Aiken, but man, that's rough.

I liked him quite a bit, too, and thought he was an incredibly pleasant surprise, but I never wanted him in anything more than a #3 role. 

[rmw10]

Yup. And people want him gone lol. 

 

Fwiw. I think Givens sticking around is a good idea. He'd be one of the more reliable #3 WRs in the NFL. We could use that. q

 

Yeah I think Givens is a keeper.  I'd prefer to have him as more of a #4 type, but I think he has a valuable enough skill set to keep around.

[edthehead]

we won't make it this year but there's always next year

yes thats what we said last year,,, but I do love my ravens,, no matter how much they let us down,,

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I liked him quite a bit, too, and thought he was an incredibly pleasant surprise, but I never wanted him in anything more than a #3 role. 

Aiken is good depth imo, and should be cheap. Worth keeping around. 

 

Yeah I think Givens is a keeper.  I'd prefer to have him as more of a #4 type, but I think he has a valuable enough skill set to keep around.

 

 

I think he'll be good in the Jacoby, field stretching role. I also hope Mostert sticks around for a while.

Eh. IDK. Depends on what kind of WR we get in the off season. I think a secondary deep threat will do wonders for us. 

[cushrinada1986]

This is the kinda of loss that hits your soul. Flaccos int's, the Fumble, the missed FG, the last penalty of the game, when Kendrick botched that game closing int, I thought to myself, that is gonna come back to haunt us. Surely did. At this point we just need to keep flacco and our core guys healthy for 2016 because I would hate to see Flacco or another big piece of our plan go down to injury. Just kinda wonder when do you shelf your VIP's so to keep them from being injured late in the season?

[redrum52]

Yup. And people want him gone lol. 

 

Fwiw. I think Givens sticking around is a good idea. He'd be one of the more reliable #3 WRs in the NFL. We could use that. q

Been thinking that too.  No reason to let him go.

[Militant X 1]

We have a decent offensive line.  Good running back and full back.  Solid group of tight ends.  QB has been productive.   We have some holes on defense but I think the secondary is coming together nicely with Webb, Smith, and Will Hill all playing well now.  Linebackers might be our weakness.  But this isn't a terrible team. The Jaguars didn't do much today.  

 

They won!

 

Now, you can try your best to dig deep for the silver lining so to speak about this Ravens team but at the end of the day for me, this team is what they are 2-7.  Just like a team may be 9-0 for specific reasons....a team is also 2-7 for specific reasons without all of the sugarcoating!

Edited November 15, 2015 by Militant X 1

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Been thinking that too.  No reason to let him go.

Yup. We're in dire need of a possession WR. 

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

We just can't do it. 

[edthehead]

If you didn't care you wouldn't respond, Harbaugh road Billick's team to the dance with a quarterback he had nothing to do with being drafted, once he washed away Billick's team this is the results. If you don't care why are you even on the ravens page, hmmmm.

i have always said this,,, people was so happy when billick was gone but we still had that core 

well now the core is gone completely, we have a harb team,, 

now everybody will blame the injuries,, like last year and the the year before that and the 1 before that,,, 

[darklight1216]

So Mosely,Jernigan, Gilmore, and our rookie TEs aren't even solid starters?

I should have been more clear in my post. I know they have a couple of starters, but I was really speaking more in general terms. For the most part, their drafts have been pathetic. 

 

Those are only 3 starters that you mentioned. Williams and Boyle are behind Gilmore in the depth chart. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I hope SSS comes back. An I hope Perriman plays a few games this season so we can get a glimpse of what he is.

I'd like to see SSS, Perriman, Aiken and Givens back next year, and add someone like Marvin Jones, Mohammed Sanu, Michael Crabtree or Nate Washington.

Use the draft to get a top pass rusher, CB and FS.

Add a situational pass rusher and a good CB or FS through FA. I want an established vet FS to pair with Will Hill. Get Eric Berry or Walter Thurmond. Both relatively young, can cover and hit and are playmakers.

[arnie_uk]

I'm with ya in that it's ridiculous to want Schaub in and bash Flacco. But he did make his fair share of mistakes and is partially responsible for the loss. 3 turnovers in a row, 2 of which were 100% his fault and the 3rd was partially his fault too.

So to knock Aiken who played pretty well other than a cpl mistakes is just as unfair. He made some great plays and did well for a guy who has no business being a starter let alone the #1 target. blaming Aiken for Flacco's mistakes is just as ridiculous imo as calling for Schaub.

Flacco did turn the ball over 3 times in a row. Chances are without them the game isn't even close at the end. 2 were 100% his fault so blaming the receivers is ridiculous. And he's had several bad interceptions throughout the season.

So if you're going to defend Joe in light of his inconsistent play, it's unfair to throw a guy like Aiken under the bus who's being asked to do far more than he should be and is performing pretty well considering the circumstances.

the 3 turnovers cost 3 points total. The muffed point was 7. Doom and Lewis cost 3, and Harbaugh cost us 3 by not going for the FG early. Edited November 15, 2015 by arnie_uk

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I should have been more clear in my post. I know they have a couple of starters, but I was really speaking more in general terms. For the most part, their drafts have been pathetic.

Those are only 3 starters that you mentioned. Williams and Boyle are behind Gilmore in the depth chart.

KO, Brandon Williams, Jimmy Smith, Rick Wagner, Juice.

I keep hearing this about our drafts, but you're comparing current drafts to former drafts where we got 2 HoF'ers in 1 round. Or Flacco and then Rice in the same draft.

But those are the exceptions. Drafts like those are 1 in a million... Plus we're not taking account of the Krugers, Art Jones, McPhee, Torrey Smith who were starters or big contributors who left for bigger pay days.

Compare our recent drafts to the rest of the league. Even drafting toward the end of the round we've typically fared better than 90% of the league. It's just that our FO set the bar SO high that in comparison, our recent drafts seem lackluster.

But to add a solid starter or 2 and 2-3 good depth pieces each draft and hitting on a pro bowler every 2 or 3 drafts is about what the best teams do. And that's what we've done.. Even recently.

[Sherly_Tebow]

Hey, it's still possible to get a 1st round bye. I checked!

[Guest]

HARB is not the only problem,, but he is the head coach,, 

when you get this many stupid penalties,, problem,,

when you throw a million times and 999 thousand go to aiken,,, problem

there was a thread on here that said " what would you do if we won 8 straight games?" ,,, I was going to write simply  "support our coaches",,, our coaches Harb in general is not an X and O type of coach so how can he follow up and correct,,, 

 

one site lists Aiken with 14 targets

 

I don't know what is it with flacco ...he just likes to saturate a guy lately.  Lack of confidence in the crew I guess.

 

Regarding penalties we were certainly outcoached.

 

I don't think we have leaders on the field telling the others to watch the penalty in the key situation. I really don't.  We just got gutted is all and its a long haul to get back.  Stopping the injuries would help, but come on.........we are clearly dysfunctional.

[Guest]

Hey, it's still possible to get a 1st round bye. I checked!

 

I think what you meant is that its possible to get the 1st round draft pick.

 

In case you missed it, Detroit, Tampa and Jacksonville all won.

[Guest]

the 3 turnovers cost 3 points total. The muffed point was 7. Doom and Lewis cost 3, and Harbaugh cost us 3 by not going for the FG early.

 

Well pointed out. But...that's what happens when you've established a losing tradition. You can't break out of it. Harbs decision to forego the field goal was bush league.  Early in a game like that when you're struggling you take points. You don't gamble. We are a rambling gambling team now. 

 

This is crazy.

[Hardhitters]

Lol what you just said only makes the point that Harbaugh is a great coach.

Yeah, he took Billicks team which was an un disciplined 4-12 and took them to the AFC Championship game the very next year.

The only difference between 4-12 was the HC and a rookie QB who didn't play all that well.

And as far as "riding Billicks team" to a Super Bowl?? That's just a dumb comment. The 2012 team had a total of 5 starters from Billicks 2007 team.

Yanda on offense.

Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Haloti Ngata and Terrell Suggs on defense.

Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs missed most of that season. Haloti Ngata was injured for stretches as well.

And Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, while still leaders were role players. Plus the defense did not play very well most of that season, although they tightened up a bit in the playoffs.

Besides that, Billick didn't pick the roster. Ozzies always done that. And he had very little to do with the defense which is the only place there was any carry over at all from the Billick era, and most of that carry over either didn't play much or didn't play very well during the Super Bowl year.

So, just a dumb comment overall.

Just by u saying 4-12 makes everything you say wrong, they were 5-11 because Steve McNair got injured. Make things up in your head. Edited November 16, 2015 by Hardhitters

[Hardhitters]

i have always said this,,, people was so happy when billick was gone but we still had that core

well now the core is gone completely, we have a harb team,,

now everybody will blame the injuries,, like last year and the the year before that and the 1 before that,,,

Right, someone been paying attention.

[atomicfront]

one site lists Aiken with 14 targets

 

I don't know what is it with flacco ...he just likes to saturate a guy lately.  Lack of confidence in the crew I guess.

 

Regarding penalties we were certainly outcoached.

 

I don't think we have leaders on the field telling the others to watch the penalty in the key situation. I really don't.  We just got gutted is all and its a long haul to get back.  Stopping the injuries would help, but come on.........we are clearly dysfunctional.

 

From what the announcers and Flacco have been saying is that the plays are designed to only go to one player.  

[atomicfront]

Just by u saying 4-12 makes everything you say wrong, there were 5-11 because Steve McNair got injured. Make things up in your head.

 

Ray Lewis was injured much of that year as were a lot of other players.  When Billick had a real QB he won games.  

 

Anyway at a certain point if you have a 2-14 team you know the coach is pretty meaningless.  As most coaches are going to get your team to win at least a couple of games. 

[arnie_uk]

Well pointed out. But...that's what happens when you've established a losing tradition. You can't break out of it. Harbs decision to forego the field goal was bush league. Early in a game like that when you're struggling you take points. You don't gamble. We are a rambling gambling team now.

This is crazy.

You don't gamble that early anyway. I said before we even looked like we were going for it to just take 3. I had a feeling he'd try it.

[Guest]

Right, someone been paying attention.

 

 

i have always said this,,, people was so happy when billick was gone but we still had that core 

well now the core is gone completely, we have a harb team,, 

now everybody will blame the injuries,, like last year and the the year before that and the 1 before that,,, 

 

 

Bisciotti seems to be about Administrative stability. He's been completely ok with roster turnover, but he's gotta be thinking critically after this continual debacle.

 

Still...best guess is he waits til the year ends to ascertain the extent of the carnage....then gives the carnage administrators one more year to rectify it.  Personally, I think that's a mistake. It just puts off the change that must occur one further year.

[1/28/01]

Doom should be cut for that stupid penalty. He's a10 year veteran and knows better to do that. Give Zadarirys his spot in the lineup to replace him. Playoffs were stil in grasp and he, and yes pun intended, Doomed our hopes of having any chance.

Once again a silly mistake cost us the game. Seriously we should be in the playoff hunt with how many games we should have won.

Ha, this post is filled with hilariousness. Cut him? Playoffs?

[redrum52]

Ha, this post is filled with hilariousness. Cut him? Playoffs?

Cut the only person showing effort on the play... Sends a great message

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Well with the Jags winning and the Lions winning too does anyone know where we stand as far as the #1 over all pick in the draft?