Vent thread week 10: Jaguars

[redrum52]

I really don't get the Trestman hate?  Can someone explain what type of gameplan he should be coming up with for all these superstars we have on our team?  Let me break this down real proper.  Love Forsett, but a cast off.  Aiken, Marlon, Givens, Ross and Butler?  I'm pretty sure Givens was the highest drafted out of that All-Star bunch and I think he was a 5th or later.  WE ARE DEVOID OF TALENT.  We need WRs, an RB, rushers and DBs.  This poor season is a blessing in disguise.  The year we lost to the Pats brought us Tucker.  8-8 got us CJ.  My guess would be, these picks get put to good use.

[Cville-Raven]

Who Harbaugh added, you mean the guys he put in the dog house, got rid of and was too much of alpha males for him to coach.

Boldin, Pitta, T Smith; hell, even Jacoby made huge plays for us on that run.

[PurpleCorsair]

The Good:

 

Young TEs produce.

Gilmore, Williams and Boyle combine for 11 catches 117 yards and 2 TDs

Juice adds another 5 for 47.

 

The Defense.

Prior to the last two plays the defense played well. A stretch of 4 straight series with an offensive or special teams turnover and they gave up only 9 points. Pees' hotseat cools slightly for a week even if only because the flames are pointed elsewhere.

 

The Bad

 

Turnovers....

This was incredible. Four straight series with a giveaway. No words....

 

Penalties:

Once again, at the worst possible times. Dumervil took what was his best game thus far and just threw it away.

 

The Ugly

 

Missed opportunities:

Several dropped picks throughout the game. None more egregious, of course, than Lewis' on the second to last play of regulation.

 

Tucker's home voodoo.

58 yards is no chip shot to be sure. But this needs to be addressed in some form or fashion.

 

Trestman:

During that 4 series stretch Trestman made some of the worst playcalling of the year.

[BmoreBird22]

Well, I'm at my laptop, so time for one of those long posts to vent because this loss actually really stung. 

 

First off, do not blame Trestman for things outside of his control. For example, when the down and distance is 3rd and 5, he is not telling the tight ends or receivers to break off their routes at two yards. That is the sole choice of the receiver and a total lack of awareness by the receiver. It speaks volumes to either how low IQ they are or how piss poor their awareness is. Either way, they need to get deeper. That, and when it's 3rd and 3 and Flacco airs it out, that is on Flacco for making that decision to go deep. 

 

Okay, with that out of the way, Flacco was actually really amazing in this game. I think the Ravens ran it a total of four times in the first half for three yards, but Flacco passed for over 200 yards and two touchdowns. He put the team on his back for the first half, and despite numerous drops by Aiken, really fought through it to put the team in the driver's seat to win with a fourth quarter touchdown to Givens. I know he had a slew of turnovers, but the first I wouldn't put entirely on him. It was a bit high, but it went right through Aiken's hands and he failed to secure the second chance. The second, I think he was going for the back shoulder and Givens got pushed a bit. The fumble, Jacksonville just blew past the offensive line there. You can't really excuse his turnovers, but he still played really well overall with only one turnover that I could say is fully to mostly his fault. 

 

I loved the showing from the three tight ends. Two touchdowns and 100 yards from that trio. It was awesome to see Maxx fully healthy because that is the potential he's had all season. He's a great receiver in the seam and a really good inline blocker. Winchester won't be happy to see this game. 

 

Defensively, you cannot put this loss on Dean Pees in the slightest bit. The offense/special teams turn the ball over on four of five possessions (including one on the first offensive snap and the muffed punt), but the defense yielded just nine points. 

 

The secondary balled out so hard this game. Jimmy probably should have had that interception when Hurns got his hand in there and should have worked back to the ball when Robinson broke it up, but he had a really solid game outside of that DPI and TD. However, if you can only point out two bad plays, that's a solid game considering how he was playing earlier in the season. Webb had another great game and notched a turnover with a 2011-esque snatch. 

Also, consider this- Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns combined for 1400 yards and 12 touchdowns coming into this game, but going into the second half, they combined for, if I'm remembering correctly, 40 yards and a touchdown. This duo was averaging almost 175 yards per game and almost a touchdown, but they were getting shutdown. In the second half, with four turnovers occurring, they combined for another 70ish yards. Hell, even Blake Bortles who had been flinging it around, only had about 80 yards in the first half and 107 after the turnovers. 

You cannot put this on Pees at all.

 

I will say that the two biggest mistakes that resonate with me are from Lewis and Dumervil. On that final defensive play, all the Ravens needed to do was not allow a player into the end zone. They could have allowed a catch, run, laterals, or what ever as long as it didn't go into the end zone. Doom literally did the most costly thing he possibly could. However, that doesn't happen if Lewis simply makes the interception. That ball hit him right in the chest and he drops it. It wasn't like Jimmy's where the ball was contested and dropped. Nope, Lewis had a wide open shot at it and dropped it. Two plays that would have prevented a win for the Jaguars right there.

 

Oh, nearly forgot, but when Tucker lined up for the 58 yard field goal, I actually expected a miss. How sad is that? He's just... really bad at home. Maybe that brings down his price tag.

Edited November 15, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[GrimCoconut]

I agree with most of what you are saying, but how was Dumervil trying to force a situation to win? He really didn't need to do anything there.

That wasn't Dumervil. Dumervil lacked the discipline to properly tackle. Joe's forced throws, but that wasn't this week.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think my only vent is the few silly fans that are asking for Schaub.

Either they haven't watched much football, or they haven't seen Schaub recently if they seriously want him out there.

I'm at the point that if we couldn't come out and blow out the Jaguars then we would, should and deserved to lose. The fact that Flacco has to force balls to someone has bad as Aiken is an indictment on this team.

The losing sucks, but being completely honest I just hope this team doesn't screw up losing now. Meaning don't over win, when it's too late and screw up draft position.

Every year we've loss talent from the defense, Kruger, A.Jones, Ellerbe, McPhee a few younger players. It's time to replenish some talent through draft picks.

I'm with ya in that it's ridiculous to want Schaub in and bash Flacco. But he did make his fair share of mistakes and is partially responsible for the loss. 3 turnovers in a row, 2 of which were 100% his fault and the 3rd was partially his fault too.

So to knock Aiken who played pretty well other than a cpl mistakes is just as unfair. He made some great plays and did well for a guy who has no business being a starter let alone the #1 target. blaming Aiken for Flacco's mistakes is just as ridiculous imo as calling for Schaub.

Flacco did turn the ball over 3 times in a row. Chances are without them the game isn't even close at the end. 2 were 100% his fault so blaming the receivers is ridiculous. And he's had several bad interceptions throughout the season.

So if you're going to defend Joe in light of his inconsistent play, it's unfair to throw a guy like Aiken under the bus who's being asked to do far more than he should be and is performing pretty well considering the circumstances.

[Tank 92]

That wasn't Dumervil. Dumervil lacked the discipline to properly tackle. Joe's forced throws, but that wasn't this week.

 

Oh, OK.  Guess I misunderstood what you were saying.

[Purple Punishment]

That's pretty bad when I'm moderator has to write no death threats

[gabrielgrissom]

I really don't get the Trestman hate?  Can someone explain what type of gameplan he should be coming up with for all these superstars we have on our team?  Let me break this down real proper.  Love Forsett, but a cast off.  Aiken, Marlon, Givens, Ross and Butler?  I'm pretty sure Givens was the highest drafted out of that All-Star bunch and I think he was a 5th or later.  WE ARE DEVOID OF TALENT.  We need WRs, an RB, rushers and DBs.  This poor season is a blessing in disguise.  The year we lost to the Pats brought us Tucker.  8-8 got us CJ.  My guess would be, these picks get put to good use.

because some of the plays are run are either bland or too basic... Or don't make no sense... In the two point conversion if we are rolling to the left.... WHY IS THERE ONLY ON DESIGNED RECIEVER TO THE LEFT SIDE. He single handedly lost us the game in Oakland when he went against johns run and called pass when all we had to do was run the ball two more times run the clock out and kick a game winning 24 yard field goal

[BmoreBird22]

I will say this, the irony of Dumervil's face mask penalty is that he was one of the few to actually play that snap. Go back and watch, but Timmy Jernigan doesn't rush the quarterback, Upshaw is walking off the field, Jimmy is jumping up and down celebrating, and the safeties and middle linebacker are communicating and confused as they try to decide what to do. 

[Hardhitters]

Boldin, Pitta, T Smith; hell, even Jacoby made huge plays for us on that run.

Harbaugh got rid of Boldin for telling Flacco throw him the ball, same with Mason. Pitta was Ozzie's draft choice not Harbaugh's and of course he loved soft Torrey

Edited November 15, 2015 by Hardhitters

[atomicfront]

Team is just a bad, bad, REALLY bad football team.

 

The team is actually much better than the Jaguars.  And we played at home.  I think it is time for Harbaugh to get fired.  

[edthehead]

This year is really testing my faith

yes ,, i was tested and after today there is no more faith,,

[BmoreBird22]

Harbaugh got rid of Boldin for telling Flacco throw him the ball, same with Mason. Pitta was Ozzie's draft choice not Harbaugh's and of course he loved soft Torrey

I'd love to see some links that prove any of what you're saying 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I really don't get the Trestman hate?  Can someone explain what type of gameplan he should be coming up with for all these superstars we have on our team?  Let me break this down real proper.  Love Forsett, but a cast off.  Aiken, Marlon, Givens, Ross and Butler?  I'm pretty sure Givens was the highest drafted out of that All-Star bunch and I think he was a 5th or later.  WE ARE DEVOID OF TALENT.  We need WRs, an RB, rushers and DBs.  This poor season is a blessing in disguise.  The year we lost to the Pats brought us Tucker.  8-8 got us CJ.  My guess would be, these picks get put to good use.

Because Trestman is not as good as Kubiak. The offensive playcalling is Maddening on third down at times but honestly, Trestman has 3 good TEs to work with, an unproven running back, a product of the system, and a QB who's not capable of winning games without a decent supporting cast. He's not the problem here.

 

The solution is simple. We fix our issues in the draft. Hope that Perriman turns into a decent player, and fill our Pass rusher, WR, and RB need via the draft. Get a CB in free agency. 

 

Honestly won't take too much to turn this around, and a high draft pick helps. Remember other ravens fans. A high pick in the second is essentially a first.

 

And no. I will still cheer for my team to win. I'm a fan. It's what I do.

[Militant X 1]

The team is actually much better than the Jaguars.  And we played at home.  I think it is time for Harbaugh to get fired.  

 

lol!

[edthehead]

Start a petition either the coach or the team must go.

you joking but we do need new coaches,,,,

[BmoreBird22]

Because Trestman is not as good as Kubiak. The offensive playcalling is Maddening on third down at times but honestly, Trestman has 3 good TEs to work with, an unproven running back, a product of the system, and a QB who's not capable of winning games without a decent supporting cast. He's not the problem here.

 

The solution is simple. We fix our issues in the draft. Hope that Perriman turns into a decent player, and fill our Pass rusher, WR, and RB need via the draft. Get a CB in free agency. 

 

Honestly won't take too much to turn this around, and a high draft pick helps. Remember other ravens fans. A high pick in the second is essentially a first.

 

And no. I will still cheer for my team to win. I'm a fan. It's what I do.

That's every quarterback...

[gabrielgrissom]

yes ,, i was tested and after today there is no more faith,,

we won't make it this year but there's always next year

[ccflraven]

The whole league is mediocre [patriots] the ravens are a few  playmakers away from being closer to the top. A good draft and a couple free agents and they will be back in the playoffs because the one thing that is hard to find is a franchise qb and the ravens have that. Add a top wr safety and pass rusher to this team and i believe 2-7 would be reversed to 7-2

[rmw10]

How many times we going to run Aiken on a go route, by the way?  It clearly isn't going to connect.  He can't get separation.

[atomicfront]

lol!

 

We have a decent offensive line.  Good running back and full back.  Solid group of tight ends.  QB has been productive.   We have some holes on defense but I think the secondary is coming together nicely with Webb, Smith, and Will Hill all playing well now.  Linebackers might be our weakness.  But this isn't a terrible team. The Jaguars didn't do much today.  

[BmoreBird22]

How many times we going to run Aiken on a go route, by the way?  It clearly isn't going to connect.  He can't get separation.

Have to at least keep the defenses honest

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

That's every quarterback...

That's kind of my point. We have three quality pieces on offense right now weapon wise

Buck Allen as a receiving back

Maxx Williams

And Crockett Gillmore. 

 

Maxx isn't anywhere close to his ceiling yet, and Crockett is a good but slightly overrated TE. Allen hasn't put it together yet. 

 

We need to hope that Perriman turns into a good WR and go find a good possession guy.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

How many times we going to run Aiken on a go route, by the way?  It clearly isn't going to connect.  He can't get separation.

 

We need to draft some WR's badly. 

[rmw10]

Have to at least keep the defenses honest

 

Let Givens or Ross stretch it then.  I have to think, without looking up numbers of course, that we're like 1 for 20 on that play this year.

[BmoreBird22]

That's kind of my point. We have three quality pieces on offense right now weapon wise

Buck Allen as a receiving back

Maxx Williams

And Crockett Gillmore. 

 

Maxx isn't anywhere close to his ceiling yet, and Crockett is a good but slightly overrated TE. Allen hasn't put it together yet. 

 

We need to hope that Perriman turns into a good WR and go find a good possession guy.

I'm honestly shocked at how well Flacco has done with this "supporting" cast.

[BmoreBird22]

Let Givens or Ross stretch it then.  I have to think, without looking up numbers of course, that we're like 1 for 20 on that play this year.

I meant not have the corner sit on short routes to Aiken on every play. You have to consider he is the number one read on probably every play.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

If you didn't care you wouldn't respond, Harbaugh road Billick's team to the dance with a quarterback he had nothing to do with being drafted, once he washed away Billick's team this is the results. If you don't care why are you even on the ravens page, hmmmm.

Lol what you just said only makes the point that Harbaugh is a great coach.

Yeah, he took Billicks team which was an un disciplined 4-12 and took them to the AFC Championship game the very next year.

The only difference between 4-12 was the HC and a rookie QB who didn't play all that well.

And as far as "riding Billicks team" to a Super Bowl?? That's just a dumb comment. The 2012 team had a total of 5 starters from Billicks 2007 team.

Yanda on offense.

Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Haloti Ngata and Terrell Suggs on defense.

Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs missed most of that season. Haloti Ngata was injured for stretches as well.

And Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, while still leaders were role players. Plus the defense did not play very well most of that season, although they tightened up a bit in the playoffs.

Besides that, Billick didn't pick the roster. Ozzies always done that. And he had very little to do with the defense which is the only place there was any carry over at all from the Billick era, and most of that carry over either didn't play much or didn't play very well during the Super Bowl year.

So, just a dumb comment overall.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

I'm honestly shocked at how well Flacco has done with this "supporting" cast.

Yup. And people want him gone lol. 

 

Fwiw. I think Givens sticking around is a good idea. He'd be one of the more reliable #3 WRs in the NFL. We could use that. q