Vent thread week 10: Jaguars

[FlocksGottaFeed]

The only player I think Harbs really jettisoned was Bernard Pollard.  Who had a pretty checkered past with teams anyway, so he's not alone with that.  Boldin was a cap move and the real head scratcher.

Agreed. However for a few more seasons, Pollard and Boldin could have filled that role (Boldin more so). Many in the lockerroom felt that way although they couldn't speak.

 

What has been very obvious this season is the lack of that kind of leadership passion (SSS exception). The Jags seemed like they had more players being encouraged to take-on that kind of leadership. It may not save their season, but it may cultivate the next leader. Just saying.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Player Leadership. Harb was granted his player 'wish-list' which for the most part excluded out-spoken players, overly passionate players and potentially combustable players. The down-side: That's where the future Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and potential HOFers reside.

Sometimes to model success you have to acknowledge what worked before although practices, scrimages and the lockerroom got extremely noisey most of the time.

Harb is a great coach but, even the great ones had team captains with passionate resolve and were born leaders with an attitude ("...pissed-off for Greatness!!!).

What's this player wishlist and it being granted to Harbs? Never heard of it.

SSS is as outspoken and passionate a leader there's been on a football field since Ray retired. He and Harbs are like best buds.

Harbs loves Suggs, the most outspoken player on defense.

I think he just wants guys that speak with passion for competing and don't just talk but lead by example in a positive light.

The only outspoken guy that There's any evidence of Harbaugh having a problem with was Bernard Pollard and that's bc he was trashing the HC to the team. And instead of just benching him, Harbs called a team meeting and allowed him to air his frustrations.

Him being gone the next season whether coincidence or not was justified bc he was a complete liability in coverage and without Ed Reed back there you just couldn't keep Pollard. And Ihedigbo was 80% of the player for 20% of the cost.

So what other of these outspoken leaders has Harbaugh cast off or avoided bringing in?? Bc he's clearly signed off on SSS who reportedly was let go from Carolina for being exactly the type of player it's being suggested that Harbaugh doesn't tolerate.

[Inqui]

The only player I think Harbs really jettisoned was Bernard Pollard.  Who had a pretty checkered past with teams anyway, so he's not alone with that.  Boldin was a cap move and the real head scratcher.

Yeah, the "Harbaugh jettisoning the outspoken players" thing is really overblown. We're not the only ones to have cut Pollard for being a locker-room cancer, Boldin was about the cap hit and everyone else either got a better offer elsewhere or retired.

 

Where the "character guys" stuff is more relevant is in picking up FAs and ranking draft prospects (where team leaders and overall good blokes are valued more highly than the Pollards or Terrell Owens of the world), but we're hardly the only team to do that. It isn't even limited to the NFL - the AFL's Sydney Swans created a dynasty off their "No [Fill in the blank]heads Rule" for recruiting.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

What's this player wishlist and it being granted to Harbs? Never heard of it.

SSS is as outspoken and passionate a leader there's been on a football field since Ray retired. He and Harbs are like best buds.

Harbs loves Suggs, the most outspoken player on defense.

I think he just wants guys that speak with passion for competing and don't just talk but lead by example in a positive light.

The only outspoken guy that There's any evidence of Harbaugh having a problem with was Bernard Pollard and that's bc he was trashing the HC to the team. And instead of just benching him, Harbs called a team meeting and allowed him to air his frustrations.

Him being gone the next season whether coincidence or not was justified bc he was a complete liability in coverage and without Ed Reed back there you just couldn't keep Pollard. And Ihedigbo was 80% of the player for 20% of the cost.

So what other of these outspoken leaders has Harbaugh cast off or avoided bringing in?? Bc he's clearly signed off on SSS who reportedly was let go from Carolina for being exactly the type of player it's being suggested that Harbaugh doesn't tolerate.

"They led because they didn't make excuses - they made plays when plays needed to made and challenged others to that same commitment to excellence." Posted earlier - Vocal Leadership

 

If you read my previous post and/or the most recent post you would have most likely concluded that what is being talked about is 'a culture of vocal leadership development' - not unfounded speculation about Pollard (that's troll bait). 

Suggs and SSS didn't play (you have to be on the field to inspire teammates); however, with both Harb has publicly admitted that he prefered if that 'vocal' leadership aspect was 'a little-less' or more toned-down. What are young players to think?

 

Harb said that he liked "...the quiet practices..." addressing past vocal leadership. For the future, it's more about rethinking whether to cultivate 'vocal and performance based leadership' or to not promote team leaders that have historically help to produce championships. Name a championship team that hasn't had those type of leaders?

 

imo - Teams striving towards excellence seek that. The Jags even seemed to have more in development. That's not why we lost, but that maybe part of the reason we didn't show (penalties, misassignments, turnovers, blown opportunities, etc.)

[Militant X 1]

Player Leadership. Harb was granted his player 'wish-list' which for the most part excluded out-spoken players, overly passionate players and potentially combustable players. The down-side: That's where the future Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and potential HOFers reside.

 

That's only speculations by some Ravens fans.I highly doubt Harbaugh doesn't like passionatr players and honestly most head coaches don't like overly out spoken players especially if it's players that's going to talk negative about their head coach. .

 

We're not talking about anyone who would 'bad' talk a coach. That's not a leader. Leaders don't distract they promote responsibility and focus. That takes passion on the field and in the lockerroom. We've had several leaders who fit that bill - although all may not be HOF caliber. They led because they didn't make excuses - they made plays when plays needed to made and challenged others to that same commitment to excellence.

 

What's this player wishlist and it being granted to Harbs? Never heard of it.

The only outspoken guy that There's any evidence of Harbaugh having a problem with was Bernard Pollard and that's bc he was trashing the HC to the team. And instead of just benching him, Harbs called a team meeting and allowed him to air his frustrations.

 

"They led because they didn't make excuses - they made plays when plays needed to made and challenged others to that same commitment to excellence." Posted earlier - Vocal Leadership

 

If you read my previous post and/or the most recent post you would have most likely concluded that what is being talked about is 'a culture of vocal leadership development' - not unfounded speculation about Pollard (that's troll bait). Suggs and SSS didn't play (you have to be on the field to inspire teammates); however, with both Harb has publicly admitted that he prefered if that 'vocal' leadership aspect was 'a little-less' or more toned-down. What are young players to think?

 

Harb said that he liked "...the quiet practices..." addressing past vocal leadership. For the future, it's more about rethinking whether to cultivate 'vocal and performance based leadership' or to not promote team leaders that have historically help to produce championships. Name a championship team that hasn't had those type of leaders?

 

Read.....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102107/article/john-harbaugh-reportedly-nearly-had-ravens-mutiny

[FlocksGottaFeed]

Read.....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102107/article/john-harbaugh-reportedly-nearly-had-ravens-mutiny

Very familiar with the article which pointed-out (by name) players that were allegedly hostile and confrontational by an un-named player as reported by Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports. Always thought that was interesting that the 2 players (Pollard and Reed were leaders) that were reported to be the confrontational (by name) when "several players" (unnamed) took similiar positions. Also, Harb later said that, "...it embodied everything that you should have on a team..." yet no measures were taken to cultivate and/or acquire that type of leadership going into the future after their departure.

 

I'm not faulting Harb. I think he's a great coach and even a better person, but when he made the honest statement after that SB season that he enjoyed the 'quiet' practices (referring to the passionate vocal leadership that led to that SB) it seemed not to encourage and/or cultivate the player leadership style that gave him his 'greatest' success as a coach. This new approach seems experimental. I don't fault the attempt, but...

 

Maybe we can win without it, but I still can't remember a championship team that has.

 

Can anybody name one?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Very familiar with the article which pointed-out (by name) players that were allegedly hostile and confrontational by an un-named player as reported by Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports. Always thought that was interesting that the 2 players (Pollard and Reed were leaders) that were reported to be the confrontational (by name) when "several players" (unnamed) took similiar positions. Also, Harb later said that, "...it embodied everything that you should have on a team..." yet no measures were taken to cultivate and/or acquire that type of leadership going into the future after their departure.

I'm not faulting Harb. I think he's a great coach and even a better person, but when he made the honest statement after that SB season that he enjoyed the 'quiet' practices (referring to the passionate vocal leadership that led to that SB) it seemed not to encourage and/or cultivate the player leadership style that gave him his 'greatest' success as a coach. This new approach seems experimental. I don't fault the attempt, but...

Maybe we can win without it, but I still can't remember a championship team that has.

Can anybody name one?

Have the Patriots ever really had any loud in your face type guys? Honestly asking.

I know Brady can get fired up on the field but he doesn't strike me as a Ray Lewis type of motivator.

And doesn't really seem like anyone challenges Belichick or speaks above the team. Just very business like in their approach. Even Gronk who is known to be wild, you rarely hear of him acting like that at practice or during games. Usually just the offseason.

And the NY Giants? Can't really think of anyone other than maybe Strahan during the 1st of the most recent 2.

Green Bays SB team. The Saints. No one on those teams is really sticking out to me as the loud, passionate leader. Mainly led by quiet, business like, great QBs.

Peyton's SB team in Indy too. The greatest show on turf Rams teams.

Just spit balling here, but these teams didn't have the Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Richard Sherman, BP, Terrell Suggs, Kam Chancellor, Deion Sanders, Hines Ward type guys that I think you're describing.

But maybe I'm being too specific.

[jazz1988]

Very familiar with the article which pointed-out (by name) players that were allegedly hostile and confrontational by an un-named player as reported by Mike Silver of Yahoo! Sports. Always thought that was interesting that the 2 players (Pollard and Reed were leaders) that were reported to be the confrontational (by name) when "several players" (unnamed) took similiar positions. Also, Harb later said that, "...it embodied everything that you should have on a team..." yet no measures were taken to cultivate and/or acquire that type of leadership going into the future after their departure.

 

I'm not faulting Harb. I think he's a great coach and even a better person, but when he made the honest statement after that SB season that he enjoyed the 'quiet' practices (referring to the passionate vocal leadership that led to that SB) it seemed not to encourage and/or cultivate the player leadership style that gave him his 'greatest' success as a coach. This new approach seems experimental. I don't fault the attempt, but...

 

Maybe we can win without it, but I still can't remember a championship team that has.

 

Can anybody name one?

 

 

That type of leadership isn't easy to find at all. I honestly think Steve Smith and Terrell Suggs do a good job as leaders and bring a spark to the team as leaders but other than that there really hasn't been any players either in free agency or the draft that I can think of that were  passionate leaders.

 

Ed Reed and Ray Lewis retirement was bound to leave  a void of leadership in some way and the same can be said about The Steelers after they lost some key players as well due to retirement and etc.  The Ravens probably will never have leadership like they did back in 2012 ever again and it's nothing really wrong with that because it doesn't equal to winning games all the time. The Idea some Ravens fans believe Harbaugh wants to avoid such leadership doesn't make sense at all because it actually makes the coaches job alot more easier when he has guys that can help keep the team motivated....Ozzie trying to replace Ed Reed and Ray Lewis as leadership wise isn't a easy task at all and i'm sorry it may not ever happen.

[The Raven]

Have the Patriots ever really had any loud in your face type guys? Honestly asking.

I know Brady can get fired up on the field but he doesn't strike me as a Ray Lewis type of motivator.

And doesn't really seem like anyone challenges Belichick or speaks above the team. Just very business like in their approach. Even Gronk who is known to be wild, you rarely hear of him acting like that at practice or during games. Usually just the offseason.

And the NY Giants? Can't really think of anyone other than maybe Strahan during the 1st of the most recent 2.

Green Bays SB team. The Saints. No one on those teams is really sticking out to me as the loud, passionate leader. Mainly led by quiet, business like, great QBs.

Peyton's SB team in Indy too. The greatest show on turf Rams teams.

Just spit balling here, but these teams didn't have the Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Richard Sherman, BP, Terrell Suggs, Kam Chancellor, Deion Sanders, Hines Ward type guys that I think you're describing.

But maybe I'm being too specific.

 

You are absolutely right on all counts in my view.

 

What differentiates us most from Green Bay and New England - this year especially - is a lack of discipline on the field. They don't make stupid mistakes. They don't have bad technique. They play technically sound, smart football. This, to me, is a result of that business approach to football that those teams have. They do their job. They are prepared. They have tradition.  They aren't rah rah. They focus on their job. Belichick and McCarthy get players who don't need stupid freaking speeches to play hard.

[curtis0360]

Our team did everything in their power to lose it seems, it wasn't just that they were dropping a load in their pants. They seem to be shoveling more in, its like they were trying to lose. Man this season its time to wipe the hard drive and replace and start over, reset from factory settings, retain harbaugh, flacco, ozzie, steve and that is it. MY GAWD  man i never saw us being this bad.

[callahan09]

Well, I'm at my laptop, so time for one of those long posts to vent because this loss actually really stung. 

 

First off, do not blame Trestman for things outside of his control. For example, when the down and distance is 3rd and 5, he is not telling the tight ends or receivers to break off their routes at two yards. That is the sole choice of the receiver and a total lack of awareness by the receiver. It speaks volumes to either how low IQ they are or how piss poor their awareness is. Either way, they need to get deeper. That, and when it's 3rd and 3 and Flacco airs it out, that is on Flacco for making that decision to go deep. 

 

Okay, with that out of the way, Flacco was actually really amazing in this game. I think the Ravens ran it a total of four times in the first half for three yards, but Flacco passed for over 200 yards and two touchdowns. He put the team on his back for the first half, and despite numerous drops by Aiken, really fought through it to put the team in the driver's seat to win with a fourth quarter touchdown to Givens. I know he had a slew of turnovers, but the first I wouldn't put entirely on him. It was a bit high, but it went right through Aiken's hands and he failed to secure the second chance. The second, I think he was going for the back shoulder and Givens got pushed a bit. The fumble, Jacksonville just blew past the offensive line there. You can't really excuse his turnovers, but he still played really well overall with only one turnover that I could say is fully to mostly his fault. 

 

I loved the showing from the three tight ends. Two touchdowns and 100 yards from that trio. It was awesome to see Maxx fully healthy because that is the potential he's had all season. He's a great receiver in the seam and a really good inline blocker. Winchester won't be happy to see this game. 

 

Defensively, you cannot put this loss on Dean Pees in the slightest bit. The offense/special teams turn the ball over on four of five possessions (including one on the first offensive snap and the muffed punt), but the defense yielded just nine points. 

 

The secondary balled out so hard this game. Jimmy probably should have had that interception when Hurns got his hand in there and should have worked back to the ball when Robinson broke it up, but he had a really solid game outside of that DPI and TD. However, if you can only point out two bad plays, that's a solid game considering how he was playing earlier in the season. Webb had another great game and notched a turnover with a 2011-esque snatch. 

Also, consider this- Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns combined for 1400 yards and 12 touchdowns coming into this game, but going into the second half, they combined for, if I'm remembering correctly, 40 yards and a touchdown. This duo was averaging almost 175 yards per game and almost a touchdown, but they were getting shutdown. In the second half, with four turnovers occurring, they combined for another 70ish yards. Hell, even Blake Bortles who had been flinging it around, only had about 80 yards in the first half and 107 after the turnovers. 

You cannot put this on Pees at all.

 

I will say that the two biggest mistakes that resonate with me are from Lewis and Dumervil. On that final defensive play, all the Ravens needed to do was not allow a player into the end zone. They could have allowed a catch, run, laterals, or what ever as long as it didn't go into the end zone. Doom literally did the most costly thing he possibly could. However, that doesn't happen if Lewis simply makes the interception. That ball hit him right in the chest and he drops it. It wasn't like Jimmy's where the ball was contested and dropped. Nope, Lewis had a wide open shot at it and dropped it. Two plays that would have prevented a win for the Jaguars right there.

 

Oh, nearly forgot, but when Tucker lined up for the 58 yard field goal, I actually expected a miss. How sad is that? He's just... really bad at home. Maybe that brings down his price tag.

I just wanted to say that I agree with so much of this.  Great post!

[berad]

Well, I'm at my laptop, so time for one of those long posts to vent because this loss actually really stung. 

 

First off, do not blame Trestman for things outside of his control. For example, when the down and distance is 3rd and 5, he is not telling the tight ends or receivers to break off their routes at two yards. That is the sole choice of the receiver and a total lack of awareness by the receiver. It speaks volumes to either how low IQ they are or how piss poor their awareness is. Either way, they need to get deeper. That, and when it's 3rd and 3 and Flacco airs it out, that is on Flacco for making that decision to go deep. 

 

Okay, with that out of the way, Flacco was actually really amazing in this game. I think the Ravens ran it a total of four times in the first half for three yards, but Flacco passed for over 200 yards and two touchdowns. He put the team on his back for the first half, and despite numerous drops by Aiken, really fought through it to put the team in the driver's seat to win with a fourth quarter touchdown to Givens. I know he had a slew of turnovers, but the first I wouldn't put entirely on him. It was a bit high, but it went right through Aiken's hands and he failed to secure the second chance. The second, I think he was going for the back shoulder and Givens got pushed a bit. The fumble, Jacksonville just blew past the offensive line there. You can't really excuse his turnovers, but he still played really well overall with only one turnover that I could say is fully to mostly his fault. 

 

I loved the showing from the three tight ends. Two touchdowns and 100 yards from that trio. It was awesome to see Maxx fully healthy because that is the potential he's had all season. He's a great receiver in the seam and a really good inline blocker. Winchester won't be happy to see this game. 

 

Defensively, you cannot put this loss on Dean Pees in the slightest bit. The offense/special teams turn the ball over on four of five possessions (including one on the first offensive snap and the muffed punt), but the defense yielded just nine points. 

 

The secondary balled out so hard this game. Jimmy probably should have had that interception when Hurns got his hand in there and should have worked back to the ball when Robinson broke it up, but he had a really solid game outside of that DPI and TD. However, if you can only point out two bad plays, that's a solid game considering how he was playing earlier in the season. Webb had another great game and notched a turnover with a 2011-esque snatch. 

Also, consider this- Allen Robinson and Allen Hurns combined for 1400 yards and 12 touchdowns coming into this game, but going into the second half, they combined for, if I'm remembering correctly, 40 yards and a touchdown. This duo was averaging almost 175 yards per game and almost a touchdown, but they were getting shutdown. In the second half, with four turnovers occurring, they combined for another 70ish yards. Hell, even Blake Bortles who had been flinging it around, only had about 80 yards in the first half and 107 after the turnovers. 

You cannot put this on Pees at all.

 

I will say that the two biggest mistakes that resonate with me are from Lewis and Dumervil. On that final defensive play, all the Ravens needed to do was not allow a player into the end zone. They could have allowed a catch, run, laterals, or what ever as long as it didn't go into the end zone. Doom literally did the most costly thing he possibly could. However, that doesn't happen if Lewis simply makes the interception. That ball hit him right in the chest and he drops it. It wasn't like Jimmy's where the ball was contested and dropped. Nope, Lewis had a wide open shot at it and dropped it. Two plays that would have prevented a win for the Jaguars right there.

 

Oh, nearly forgot, but when Tucker lined up for the 58 yard field goal, I actually expected a miss. How sad is that? He's just... really bad at home. Maybe that brings down his price tag.

Good post. Pees put some good work into this gameplan. Art Brown subbed in for Daryl Smith on a number of passing downs which was interesting, and of course Webb at safety.

58yds is hard for any kicker, not a gimme. We missed on a couple throws right before that and used a TO on the previous drive for Jimmy's injury that hurt us trying to get closer.

ST burned us pretty good between Asa's penalties, the muffed punt, and some uncharacteristic kicking/punting gaffes. Flacco's turnovers killed potential points, too.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Basically the same team as last year... how'd you like last season?

We had Ngata torrey, but keep going

[HoldingCall]

It just isn't the Ravens' year. The team is constantly just one or two plays away from winning. Coach vented some steam today by cutting J Ross and waiving Asa Jackson. I thought Ross (and Asa) had some of the best returns since Jacoby Jones departed. 

[BmoreBird22]

I just wanted to say that I agree with so much of this.  Great post!

I'm surprised someone read such a long post. I make my one post every week and then I try my best to refrain because emotions run too high.

[BmoreBird22]

Good post. Pees put some good work into this gameplan. Art Brown subbed in for Daryl Smith on a number of passing downs which was interesting, and of course Webb at safety.

58yds is hard for any kicker, not a gimme. We missed on a couple throws right before that and used a TO on the previous drive for Jimmy's injury that hurt us trying to get closer.

ST burned us pretty good between Asa's penalties, the muffed punt, and some uncharacteristic kicking/punting gaffes. Flacco's turnovers killed potential points, too.

I noticed Art Brown coming in. According to FilmStudy, it was all on third and long, nothing shorter. I'm just really glad they're finding a role for Brown. He was flashing at times in the preseason with his coverage, but didn't show enough consistency, but I guess they've got nothing to lose at this point to put him in for 10 snaps a game. 

 

I missed Webb's interception from the S because I was in the bathroom, but I love that move. He's always had really good instincts and ball skills, but he was always too valuable at corner. Now that he's kinda slowing down some and now that they have a healthy, average outside corner in Wright, he can slide back and play a position that may preserve his career in Baltimore.

 

I'm not even going to argue that it's a difficult kick for any kicker, but it's just such a head scratcher that he misses with such frequency in Baltimore. Callahan did a stat track about his missed field goals some time back, and when I just checked it, I believe I saw he is 1 for 9 from over 50 yards at home, but nearly perfect on the road. That's really odd and it points to more than it just being a 50 yarder. I would consider Pittsburgh the most difficult stadium in the NFL to kick in, but Tucker is nearly perfect there. It's weird. Like, really weird.

 

I would like to see Mostert get looks at punt returner. I don't know if he was ever used in that capacity in Phili or in college, but he showed he was a really good kick returner in Phili and he was hella fast on Sunday. I think he could do it. Good vision and speed. Ross just doesn't deserve the job anymore.

 

With Jackson, he has two blocks and on those two blocks, he looked like he jumped offsides and was very fortunate to not get flagged. He could have just as easily been flagged two times more and had no blocks. I don't think he's earned a stay on the roster next year. 

 

I don't put the fumble or the first interception on Joe and I'm a bit iffy on what happened on the second, but turnovers are definitely always game killers

Edited November 18, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Our team did everything in their power to lose it seems, it wasn't just that they were dropping a load in their pants. They seem to be shoveling more in, its like they were trying to lose. Man this season its time to wipe the hard drive and replace and start over, reset from factory settings, retain harbaugh, flacco, ozzie, steve and that is it. MY GAWD man i never saw us being this bad.

It's bad... But it's not THAT bad. Not start over bad. Williams, Jimmy, Jernifan, Davis, Mosley, Yanda, KO, Zuttah, Aiken, all 3 TEs, Daryl, Doom, Will Hill, Buck, Forsett, Tali, Urschel, the RT (can't think of his name right now), hopefully Perriman, Suggs...

All good pieces. We just didn't have the depth to overcome injuries and had holes in a few key positions (WR, OLB, CB and FS). And WR, OLB and CB were more depth/injury issues that caused the holes.

And with that were only 4 TDs with 2 pt conversions from being undefeated. 32 points.

It's a lot of injuries, player and coaching turnover to overcome. If we hit on our top couple picks and add a solid FA or 2 were going to be right back on top.

[frozen joe flacco fan]

I just wanted to say that I agree with so much of this.  Great post!

 

Like you said, great post & spot on the mark from BmoreBird22!

[frozen joe flacco fan]

It's bad... But it's not THAT bad. Not start over bad. Williams, Jimmy, Jernifan, Davis, Mosley, Yanda, KO, Zuttah, Aiken, all 3 TEs, Daryl, Doom, Will Hill, Buck, Forsett, Tali, Urschel, the RT (can't think of his name right now), hopefully Perriman, Suggs...

All good pieces. We just didn't have the depth to overcome injuries and had holes in a few key positions (WR, OLB, CB and FS). And WR, OLB and CB were more depth/injury issues that caused the holes.

And with that were only 4 TDs with 2 pt conversions from being undefeated. 32 points.

It's a lot of injuries, player and coaching turnover to overcome. If we hit on our top couple picks and add a solid FA or 2 were going to be right back on top.

 

I agree. We lost a lot of players to free agency after our SB run in 2012. I thought then we needed to re-load, not re-build. Unfortunately, we did not re-load our weapons and losing Rice and Pitta didn't help matters. I still think we just need to re-load rather than re-build. We have a lot of rising stars. Having said that, Ozzie & his eventual successor will need to do a much better job of being more proactive rather than being reactive. He tends to wait too long to bring in someone to be groomed to take over for some of our aging superstars.   

[Gordo52]

Still wearing my Ravens jacket to work which is around DC...Get laughed at regularly but it's cool. (Thanks Ravens) I immediately shut them up when I bring up Redskins history.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I agree. We lost a lot of players to free agency after our SB run in 2012. I thought then we needed to re-load, not re-build. Unfortunately, we did not re-load our weapons and losing Rice and Pitta didn't help matters. I still think we just need to re-load rather than re-build. We have a lot of rising stars. Having said that, Ozzie & his eventual successor will need to do a much better job of being more proactive rather than being reactive. He tends to wait too long to bring in someone to be groomed to take over for some of our aging superstars.

I agree with that. Our WR and OLB situations are evidence of that.

Although with the volume of turnover we've had and the unforeseen issues like Rice, Pitta, Suggs, SSS, Webb, etc... We've been strapped capwise which has limited how we could address issues, and other holes haven't really appeared until after the draft and FA.

OLB wasn't a pressing need until Suggs went down. We needed to bring youth in, but you figured we had a year or two with Suggs and Doom the best pass rush duo in the league last year.

You figure with SSS and some solid depth in Aiken, Camp, Brown that Perriman should answer the issue this year. We didn't lose Perriman, Sr and Camp until after the chances to fix it were gone.

And we just were flat out wrong on Kendrick Lewis. It happens... We've just been incredibly lucky and spoiled over a period of 6 years where we hit way more than missed. We were bound to have a year where we missed more than hit.

But I think the foundation is there. We're missing one or two key pieces, and health, away from turning these close losses into wins.

[omar586]

not running da ball is hurting us, even if u get 1-4 yards is better than int and more time on clock.

[Jamal]

What hurts the most is the fact the AFC is so wide open. Imagine if our team was as good as last year...Nobody would scare me.

[DomMcRaven]

It's bad... But it's not THAT bad. Not start over bad. Williams, Jimmy, Jernigan, Davis, Mosley, Yanda, KO, Zuttah, Aiken, all 3 TEs, Daryl, Doom, Will Hill, Buck, Forsett, Tali, Urschel, the RT (can't think of his name right now), hopefully Perriman, Suggs...

All good pieces. We just didn't have the depth to overcome injuries and had holes in a few key positions (WR, OLB, CB and FS). And WR, OLB and CB were more depth/injury issues that caused the holes.

And with that were only 4 TDs with 2 pt conversions from being undefeated. 32 points.

It's a lot of injuries, player and coaching turnover to overcome. If we hit on our top couple picks and add a solid FA or 2 were going to be right back on top.

This, Especially the bolded statements. Love him or hate him, this is why Harbaugh is a top 5 head coach (top 3 IMO). Despite the numerous flaws on this team, the fact that we have yet to get blown out is a testament to him and Flacco. No, I don't agree with everything they do, but at least we're consistent from a competitive standpoint.

 

This is the beauty of the NFL. ANYTHING can happen. Shouldas, couldas, and wouldas. Man, just a play here and there and we could've been 6-3 or 7-2.

 

 

 

 

I agree with that. Our WR and OLB situations are evidence of that.

Although with the volume of turnover we've had and the unforeseen issues like Rice, Pitta, Suggs, SSS, Webb, etc... We've been strapped capwise which has limited how we could address issues, and other holes haven't really appeared until after the draft and FA.

OLB wasn't a pressing need until Suggs went down. We needed to bring youth in, but you figured we had a year or two with Suggs and Doom the best pass rush duo in the league last year.

You figure with SSS and some solid depth in Aiken, Camp, Brown that Perriman should answer the issue this year. We didn't lose Perriman, Sr and Camp until after the chances to fix it were gone.

And we just were flat out wrong on Kendrick Lewis. It happens... We've just been incredibly lucky and spoiled over a period of 6 years where we hit way more than missed. We were bound to have a year where we missed more than hit.

But I think the foundation is there. We're missing one or two key pieces, and health, away from turning these close losses into wins.

Lewis has been a bum. 

 

But I agree about your last statement. I'm not even worried about the offseason. Like some people have said before in other threads, no way we're not doing anything to address our problems? To what extent though? That's a mystery that I'm looking forward to. 

[arnie_uk]

I noticed Art Brown coming in. According to FilmStudy, it was all on third and long, nothing shorter. I'm just really glad they're finding a role for Brown. He was flashing at times in the preseason with his coverage, but didn't show enough consistency, but I guess they've got nothing to lose at this point to put him in for 10 snaps a game.

I missed Webb's interception from the S because I was in the bathroom, but I love that move. He's always had really good instincts and ball skills, but he was always too valuable at corner. Now that he's kinda slowing down some and now that they have a healthy, average outside corner in Wright, he can slide back and play a position that may preserve his career in Baltimore.

I'm not even going to argue that it's a difficult kick for any kicker, but it's just such a head scratcher that he misses with such frequency in Baltimore. Callahan did a stat track about his missed field goals some time back, and when I just checked it, I believe I saw he is 1 for 9 from over 50 yards at home, but nearly perfect on the road. That's really odd and it points to more than it just being a 50 yarder. I would consider Pittsburgh the most difficult stadium in the NFL to kick in, but Tucker is nearly perfect there. It's weird. Like, really weird.

I would like to see Mostert get looks at punt returner. I don't know if he was ever used in that capacity in Phili or in college, but he showed he was a really good kick returner in Phili and he was hella fast on Sunday. I think he could do it. Good vision and speed. Ross just doesn't deserve the job anymore.

With Jackson, he has two blocks and on those two blocks, he looked like he jumped offsides and was very fortunate to not get flagged. He could have just as easily been flagged two times more and had no blocks. I don't think he's earned a stay on the roster next year.

I don't put the fumble or the first interception on Joe and I'm a bit iffy on what happened on the second, but turnovers are definitely always game killers

webb was playing corner back for the interception.

[BmoreBird22]

webb was playing corner back for the interception.

I was quoting someone else, but yeah, just watched it and he was playing that dreaded off man about seven yards back

[arnie_uk]

I was quoting someone else, but yeah, just watched it and he was playing that dreaded off man about seven yards back

it was awful receiver play. Can never understand why receivers don't come to meet the ball, instead they stand there and let corners get a rUn and jump them.

Annoys me when out guys do it and the pass gets broken up.

Come meet the ball and the defender won't get near you.

[BmoreBird22]

it was awful receiver play. Can never understand why receivers don't come to meet the ball, instead they stand there and let corners get a rUn and jump them.

Annoys me when out guys do it and the pass gets broken up.

Come meet the ball and the defender won't get near you.

It was worse that Bortles held it for so long and let Webb come back to the receiver and make a play on the ball. If Bortles releases it a second or two earlier, like he should have, it's not an interception.

[Marc2k6]

I have moved my Fandom forward to the 2016 NFL Draft where the Baltimore Ravens will have a top 5 draft pick.

[arnie_uk]

It was worse that Bortles held it for so long and let Webb come back to the receiver and make a play on the ball. If Bortles releases it a second or two earlier, like he should have, it's not an interception.

that also, but not tracking back annoys me. They seem to forget defenders are there to make plays and hustle