Vent thread week 10: Jaguars

[Stevin]

I can't go on the record and say it's a bad team. Bad record, bad mistakes I can agree but the team isn't bad. Playing bad but it'd not a bad team in my opinion. Maybe I'm just emotional. If I was at a bar I'd have been in at least 3 fights, Ravens fans included lol

bad record and bad mistakes thats exactly what bad team do

[nextgen_RavensFan]

I don't care how many games Harbaugh has been involved with winning for us since 2008, he needs to be fired and a good disciplinarian needs to be brought in as head coach. Too many dumb penalties this year have lost us games, and that is based solely on the crappy coach that is Harbaugh who does nothing to punish stupid behavior. He didn't want any challengers to his authority on the team, and this is what we get. Ray Lewis was the disciplinarian Harbaugh's first five years, along with Ed Reed. Harbaugh needs to go back to special teams. He is a lousy coach. We also need to get rid of Newsome, who forgot how to draft decently back in 2009, when his string of bad drafts began in overwhelming fashion. I know I am going to be criticized, but come on. THis team is the WORST TEAM IN RAVENS HISTORY. They are even worse than the 1996 team, and I never thought that could be possible. However, that team did have a great offense. This 2015 team really has neither. This team needs a restart. TIme to blow it up and begin again.

I agree, the players do what they want regardless of penalties or outcome it has on the game. There is no leadership nor punishment for mistakes etc. Is like they are back on the sand lot playing ball. Harbs lost this team and the team has no leadership so no accountability. 

 

Everyone is just showing up and not progressing at all. From the top down something has to change and someone needs to answer for all of this. I would love to see Steve B start tossing folks out on their rears and i bet the rest of the clowns fall in and shape up. 

 

Someone, anyone please show some pride and fire for the team. 

[0_o]

We're not a bad team we just don't have any leadership. And by leadership I mean, players stepping up. These losses aren't being made by the coaches. No one is stepping up.

 

It's time to stop making excuses and start holding the players accountable. 

[Guest]

Its not just the losses ... but the WAY we lose too. Today's loss was virtually comical.

 

I agree - this team seems diseased. I just hope there is a pill we can take over the offseason to cure it. 

 

Losers can't get out of their own way. That's how it is.

I agree, its tough and strange territory as Ravens fans. Whats best now is the highest possible draft pick, if we crush the upcoming draft we're a contender again next year. 

 

A great draft can help, but with each passing game we seem further away than a few players.

Yup

Injuries on top of a lack of depth thanks to a ton of dead money in contracts.. It happens

Get rid of pitta this offseason get healthy have a good draft and next year will be completely different

 

I can't fault Pitta at all and won't go there.

Someone said earlier that a loss today (before that disastrous last play even happened) could finally begin the downward spiral into blowout losses. Looks like that could definitely happen.

 

Ross and Jackson should be cut. Saying Dumervil should be benched isn't that much of a stretch, either.

 

Dumervil played great until that last play. Doom can lose track of situations but he was desperate to not allow a late score too.

Yeah but we've seen what our drafts have been like since 2009. What bothers me also is why they gave Pitta a new contract after he busted his hip. That really makes no sense.

 

What Pittas contract was about was reaction to how the team suffered after Boldin's departure.  Oz took away with one hand and then figured he better not strip Flacco of his other main target, so Oz gave back with the other hand. It really is that simple.  If you watch closely you'll see Oz's "zag" after his "zig" move fails.

The refs didn't lose the game for the Ravens, but they were horrible and certainly didn't help.

The crown of the helmet hit on Aiken will draw a fine, guaranteed. 

 

If you're talking the interception on the curl route run by Aiken, the pick was Flacco's fault...fastball that got away, high and outside.  The secondary hit was Poslunzy and it was more a scrum than a target hit.  What the NFL will do is anyones guess, but it didn't look like much from here.

I'm still putting us as the best chance to go from Worst to First next year. Unless the football gods smite us once more, we'll be loaded with the nice draft pick and a decent FA. 

 

We do have some talent on the team, but we've also got a whole lot of holes. I still believe the main one is that we are missing field leaders.  We commit too many penalties and make too many key mistakes.  Theres insufficient on the field reinforcement.

 

That said, I like to take one or two Big Hit penalties a game even if they are deserved. You've got to lay down the law in the middle of the field.

Edited November 16, 2015 by Danny D

[johnmike72]

We're not a bad team we just don't have any leadership. And by leadership I mean, players stepping up. These losses aren't being made by the coaches. No one is stepping up.

 

It's time to stop making excuses and start holding the players accountable. 

John Harbaugh got rid of the players who had a voice, and stepped up.

[Guest]

John Harbaugh got rid of the players who had a voice, and stepped up.

 

Yeah they did...after the Texan game massacre Practice Day revolt.

 

They have the kind of players they wanted now. We'll see how they do with them.

[johnmike72]

Yeah they did...after the Texan game massacre Practice Day revolt.

 

They have the kind of players they wanted now. We'll see how they do with them.

Hows 2-7 sound so far?

[rmcjacket23]

Hows 2-7 sound so far?

Basically the same team as last year... how'd you like last season?

[Militant X 1]

thanks for bringing it to me straight Mili, but I probably wasn't clear. I don't mind venting, I'm seeing people on all areas of social media saying that Dumerville is a Bum, and so and so sucks. That's not right, that's what I'm saying. And not being good enough and sucking are too different things. I'm sure we can agree to that.

That's why I got emotional, I don't have a problem with your comments and many other posters. The folks I'm referring to are obvious

 

We're good Smoke. lol

 

I'm seeing all types of things on social media as well.  Ravens fans are pissed!  Me included!  And rightfully so!  This team is bad!  I know you don't want to call them that or accept that and I respect your position.  However, for me man, this team has played like this for 9 weeks now.  And based off of their previous game play, I formulated my views of them earlier.  Bad teams "find" ways to lose games like these!  Even Flacco said that these Ravens aren't "good enough" to win games in his presser. 

 

Now, if your franchise QB says that they are not "good enough" to win these games....shouldn't you?

Edited November 16, 2015 by Militant X 1

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah. It would also help if we could play some good ole consistent and disciplined football for 48 minutes. You would THINK that isn't hard to ask, right?

Most definitely, its surely been frustrating.

[Militant X 1]

Most definitely, its surely been frustrating.

 

You say this as though you are surprised by their performance PC? 

 

These Ravens have played like this for 9 weeks straight now bro!  9 weeks!  Every week it is the same old thing and they say the same old things at the pressers about fixing it and playing better etc.  They don't!

 

What more do you guys need to see?

Edited November 16, 2015 by Militant X 1

[BmoreBird22]

We're not a bad team we just don't have any leadership. And by leadership I mean, players stepping up. These losses aren't being made by the coaches. No one is stepping up.

It's time to stop making excuses and start holding the players accountable.

With regards to the last sentence, go view the Dean Pees thread

[PurpleCity5]

You say this as though you are surprised by their performance PC?

These Ravens have played like this for 9 weeks straight now bro! 9 weeks! Every week it is the same old thing and they say the same old things at the pressers about fixing it and playing better etc. They don't!

What more do you guys need to see?

The most frustrating thing is the inability to close. Thats been the same problem here almost every game. We've been in every game we have played in. I don't think we'll finish .500, but at the same time I believe we're a few pieces from being back at .500

We actually closed games last year, Jacksonville, Tennessee, Miami, Cleveland, New Orleans, ect. I don't recall it being this big of a problem.

Edited November 16, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Purple_City39]

I have to give the defense credit in this game.  They found a way to lose a game in a way I never expected.  From Lewis dropping an INT that was basically like fielding a punt (I can't name too many free safeties that drop that), to half the team walking to the sidelines or not paying attention because they THOUGHT the last play was late, to Dumervil giving the kicker the 15 yards he needed for the game winner.  

 

This team had me convinced they'd improve, and honestly they did a little (or was it a bad Jags offense).  But at the end of the day, the same thing that's been losing games for Baltimore lost another one.  Lack of turnovers and stupid penalties at the worst time.  Joe's 3 straight turnovers in the 3rd didn't help either but that's not what lost the game in the end, especially since he made an offense featuring a bunch of practice squad WRs into a decent offense yesterday

[rmcjacket23]

 

 

Btw, i missed Joes ints. What happened on those?

 

First one had relatively nothing to do with him... slightly high but very catchable pass thrown to Aiken that bounced off his hands and was juggled right to the defender.

 

Second one was a poorly, under-thrown ball.

[rmcjacket23]

I have to give the defense credit in this game.  They found a way to lose a game in a way I never expected.  From Lewis dropping an INT that was basically like fielding a punt (I can't name too many free safeties that drop that), to half the team walking to the sidelines or not paying attention because they THOUGHT the last play was late, to Dumervil giving the kicker the 15 yards he needed for the game winner.  

 

This team had me convinced they'd improve, and honestly they did a little (or was it a bad Jags offense).  But at the end of the day, the same thing that's been losing games for Baltimore lost another one.  Lack of turnovers and stupid penalties at the worst time.  Joe's 3 straight turnovers in the 3rd didn't help either but that's not what lost the game in the end, especially since he made an offense featuring a bunch of practice squad WRs into a decent offense yesterday

That's why I'm less harsh on Dumervil than others. Dumb penalty for certain, but he was quite literally the only player with a purple jersey actually attempting to play football on that play. 

[arnie_uk]

That's why I'm less harsh on Dumervil than others. Dumb penalty for certain, but he was quite literally the only player with a purple jersey actually attempting to play football on that play.

it's been mentioned a couple times already. It looked like if Bortles got that pass away to anyone they would have walked into the end zone...

[iceripper]

- I don't want to see Asa on the field again. He might have blocked a punt and PAT, but gets like 2 illegal blocks.

This guy is ill-disciplined and will never learn his stuff.

 

 

+ It was nice to see: Webb returning to his former strength and Art Brown seeing some defensive snaps.

[SOCAL RAVEN]

Ravens need an awful lot of re work and adjustments players and maybe coaching staff. Never had seen such a fall so fast. Terrible game vs Jags. Embarrassing.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I still don't even know what to say after that game, but at the same time the terrible thoughts and nightmares of the 2015 season are flowing through my mind. Just horrible, we keep losing games that we could/should've clearly won by making rookie mistake at every level of the game.

Dudes who don't know how to make tackles, muffing punts, missing assignments, missing easy interceptions, penalties, drops, and bad play calling on both sides of the ball.

It's like the O's season all over again, we see flashes of real potential with hopes dreams and ongoing prayers for a post season bid that gets thrown out the door time and again after ugly losses and inconsistencies.

And I'm so tired of hearing Harbaugh among others try and scapegoat everything and say "we will fight it out...were still in it" etc just stop it dude, seasons over plus or minus 3-4 more wins and you know it as the whole City knows it. For him to say that week in and week out, loss after loss just to come out and lose games in the horrid style we do IE losing every damn game in the last 2 minutes is PATHETIC.

Just call it like you see it Harbaugh don't tell us about your warrior mentality and all that BS then put up a game like this, especially after all the other ugly games we put up too.

Off season where you attt

[FlocksGottaFeed]

In all honesty, this was a game that we deserved to lose more than any other that I can remember in our 20 year history.

 

That's a hard fact for me to admit to, but with a week to prepare, the organization's (coaches, players, GM, Owner, etc.) conviction/committment to excellence in question and the overall 'irrelevance' of the team based on this season thus far according to most NFL fans and insiders this season - it's beyond 'excusable'.

 

Oh, the humanity...! The Hindenburg has exploded and landed on the Titanic. There's no salvaging it. There's only the search and rescue for a few survivors.

 

edit - typo

Edited November 16, 2015 by jkm5bmore

[DomMcRaven]

I still believe John Harbaugh is a top 3 head coach in the game right now (yes I understand the current results don't show it), but seriously, what is up with the penalties and overall undisciplined football? This should've been fixed a long time ago. 

[FlocksGottaFeed]

I still believe John Harbaugh is a top 3 head coach in the game right now (yes I understand the current results don't show it), but seriously, what is up with the penalties and overall undisciplined football? This should've been fixed a long time ago. 

Player Leadership. Harb was granted his player 'wish-list' which for the most part excluded out-spoken players, overly passionate players and potentially combustable players. The down-side: That's where the future Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and potential HOFers reside.

 

Sometimes to model success you have to acknowledge what worked before although practices, scrimages and the lockerroom got extremely noisey most of the time.

 

Harb is a great coach but, even the great ones had team captains with passionate resolve and were born leaders with an attitude ("...pissed-off for Greatness!!!).

[jazz1988]

Player Leadership. Harb was granted his player 'wish-list' which for the most part excluded out-spoken players, overly passionate players and potentially combustable players. The down-side: That's where the future Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and potential HOFers reside.

 

Sometimes to model success you have to acknowledge what worked before although practices, scrimages and the lockerroom got extremely noisey most of the time.

 

Harb is a great coach but, even the great ones had team captains with passionate resolve and were born leaders with an attitude ("...pissed-off for Greatness!!!).

 

 

That's only speculations by some Ravens fans.I highly doubt Harbaugh doesn't like passionatr players and honestly most head coaches don't like overly out spoken players especially if it's players that's going to talk negative about their head coach. That's a no no for any team especially from a head coach that's looking for respect but other than that all this talk about Harbaugh getting rid of passonate players doesn't make sense to me. The only overly passionate players,outspoken players and etc was Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and there's not many players out there like them .

 

 

[Tank 92]

 

 

If you're talking the interception on the curl route run by Aiken, the pick was Flacco's fault...fastball that got away, high and outside.  The secondary hit was Poslunzy and it was more a scrum than a target hit.  What the NFL will do is anyones guess, but it didn't look like much from here.

 

 

 

The guy led with the crown of his helmet and hit Ross(?) in the head. Most definitely a personal foul and a nasty hit, the kind that they have been penalizing.

[izvoodoo]

Player Leadership. Harb was granted his player 'wish-list' which for the most part excluded out-spoken players, overly passionate players and potentially combustable players. The down-side: That's where the future Ray Lewis, Ed Reed and potential HOFers reside.

 

Sometimes to model success you have to acknowledge what worked before although practices, scrimages and the lockerroom got extremely noisey most of the time.

 

Harb is a great coach but, even the great ones had team captains with passionate resolve and were born leaders with an attitude ("...pissed-off for Greatness!!!).

The only player I think Harbs really jettisoned was Bernard Pollard.  Who had a pretty checkered past with teams anyway, so he's not alone with that.  Boldin was a cap move and the real head scratcher.

[Guest]

The guy led with the crown of his helmet and hit Ross(?) in the head. Most definitely a personal foul and a nasty hit, the kind that they have been penalizing.

 

Thanx,

 

I don't know why, but I missed that play. I'll try and find a replay.

 

I'm no fan of NFL officials. The only worse ones are collegiate.  One day I hope Poor Calls and perhaps even no calls can be reviewed. Reviewing no calls is opening up a can of worms though.

 

I really think replay review along with the "new" safety rules have made the zebras substantially worse than they were.

Edited November 17, 2015 by Danny D

[pitchblack_20]

I'm surprised you guys are still getting mad. This season has been over and there's no way you lose most of your best players and play better.

[FlocksGottaFeed]

That's only speculations by some Ravens fans.I highly doubt Harbaugh doesn't like passionatr players and honestly most head coaches don't like overly out spoken players especially if it's players that's going to talk negative about their head coach. That's a no no for any team especially from a head coach that's looking for respect but other than that all this talk about Harbaugh getting rid of passonate players doesn't make sense to me. The only overly passionate players,outspoken players and etc was Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and there's not many players out there like them .

We're not talking about anyone who would 'bad' talk a coach. That's not a leader. Leaders don't distract they promote responsibility and focus. That takes passion on the field and in the lockerroom. We've had several leaders who fit that bill - although all may not be HOF caliber. They led because they didn't make excuses - they made plays when plays needed to made and challenged others to that same commitment to excellence.

 

imo - D. Smith is an excellent LB for the Ravens and was just as good for the Jags, but he's never been that vocal, direct leader type. That doesn't make him ineffective. Every great player doesn't fit in that role. That said, it's rare, but only on 'good-fair-bad' teams. How many championship teams have there been that haven't had vocal leaders that passionately demanded excellence from their teammates? It's not that rare when it comes to champions.

 

True. There aren't alot of Rays and Eds, but when you say that you "...like the quiet practices and lockerroom." in direct response to potential vocal and passionate leaders - you're not cultivating those who may elevate to that culture of leadership.

 

With the Jags behind us and on to next up - it's time to rethink if the peace and quiet inspires champions.

 

ps - Only used the DSmith comparison because of the Jag connection.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

This year failing, last year Kubiak, year before failing, without Kubiak that's 3 straight years of failure without Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, the locker room coaches. Once the alpha males left including Kubiak Harbaugh just hopes for success. All Billick ever needed was a QB, he knew offense and kept a stud DC. Harbaugh didn't even call Kubiak then lied and say he didn't know, just like he argued with chip Kelly during preseason and lied and said he didn't say nothing, yea that's our leader. The special team coach that wasn't smart enough to call timeout when Cundiff ran on the field late, that's his specialty though, belly-chick saw it and said that's why he didn't ice Cundiff, this head coach guy messes up every year consistently, thank goodness Ray Lewis announced his retirement and someone went over his head last year to bring in Kubiak

Billick had in their prime Ray and Ed and McAlister and Suggs and Boulware and Jamal and JO and so on and so on...

He also had Marvin Lewis, Mike Nolan and Rex Ryan as his DC's... All 3 arguably better than any that Harbs has had. Only one close is Pagano and Lewis and Rex were def better than him.

Yet Billick found a way to have 3 losing seasons with that cast. How could such a better coach with so many "alpha males" to guide the locker room possibly go 8-8 or worse 4 times in 9 years?

And without half of those Alpha Males, and the ones he did have were in the twilight of their careers, Harbs guided the team to 5 straight playoffs, 1 SB, 2 AFCCG's and at least a playoff win each year.... All on the road to boot.

The only thing that Harbs has had better than Billick is the QB. But even in Joe's 1st year when he was hardly an upgrade over Boller we went to the AFCCG.

And Billick had the greatest overall Ravens team of all time in 2006. Maybe the greatest, and at least top 4 defense of all time, an amazing DC, arguably the most balanced ravens offense, and he couldn't win more than a wild card game.

And to say Billick just needed a QB as an excuse is garbage. He hand picked Boller. It's his own fault his QBs were garbage. The only times his teams were successful were when the defense was dominant behind HOF players and the best DC's of that era.

The only offense he ever produced was a ground game, and he was supposed to be a guru of passing offense.

Billick had more talent, more leaders and better defensive coaches... Yet accomplished LESS given MORE time. I don't know how you get around that fact.

And I'd rather have a HC who knows he needs to surround himself with talented coaches than a guy whose supposed to be a wizard on one side of the ball and stubbornly keeps producing garbage there. And bc he's supposed to be the offensive wizard never could step back and bring in the offensive coaching help or personnel he clearly needed.

Done. You can want a fresh coach. That's fine, your opinion. But to say Billick was better is absolute garbage.

And even Belichick struggled in Cleveland without enough talent. Bet they wish they hadn't run him out of town now. Can't find a coach to save their lives. We've got a great GM/HC combo that's given us one of the most successful runs not only in franchise history - but in NFL HISTORY.

And people want to run both Harbs and Ozzie out bc they can't get us to the SB EVERY year. Smh. Have it your way, and we'll be Cleveland again soon enough. Spoiled rotten fans, don't realize how good we have it. The pursuit of more more better, when you're already among the best will lead you straight to rock bottom.

Only one franchise has been more consistent in their success than us under Ozzie/ Harbs and that's the Patriots. And that's only bc they have the greatest QB of all time. That's easy.

Edited November 17, 2015 by BOLDnPurPnBlacK