[News] Late For Work 11/13: Ravens' Quiet Change At Wide Receiver

[stampedehero]

Chris Koch  Recognized.  YES...........

[stampedehero]

I never thought I'd see an uglier uniform than the Steelers' bumble-bee / prison uniforms... But those Jags uniforms. YIKES!

Suggs called it the hot cold helmut.  If it was all black it would look cool

[Drew P]

That's a good point. I'm sure the coaches haven't noticed that Marlon isn't a speed guy by now. On a serious note: Marlon Brown should not be playing in the NFL right.

 

Yeah given the fact they have such outstanding highly sought after coaches on either side of the ball

[TheConquerorWorm]

Givens is a one trick pony. He can run a great 9 route. Don't get me wrong, the Ravens really need that but Givens will never be a #1 WR. He does NOT go over the middle (plays scared - looking for hit, alligator arms, etc), he's easily jammed at the line and he does NOT run block.

Still a good pick-up and can definitely help this team, but he's not the WR many on here make him out to be. Brown is a much better run blocker - which is why he leads in offensive snaps (and probably will continue to).

[The Mom Gene]

Givens is young.  He'll be fine.  Gotta be better than Torrey...  He catches with his hands.

[January J]

"Marlon Brown benched" where does it say that? Actually Isn't he in the same position? Only difference is Givens instead of SSS as the  number 1.

brown was the number 2 when SSS went down the first time. So basically he got bumped down a spot. I'm all for it, could be just what the doctor ordered to get this offense Rollin. Deep threat will help the run game and vice versa.

[The Mom Gene]

When talking with media this week, Bortles referenced the impact Perriman had on his career. "He made my life pretty easy in college," Bortles said. "I enjoyed playing with him.  Obviously, the vertical threat that he puts on the defense is as good as it gets. He can go down the field and make plays for you, really, at any time if you throw the ball anywhere near him."

 

 

And all of this was obvious if you watched UCF at all.... They were a good duo.

[RavensFootballFan]

There goes Dean Pees again, shifting blame elsewhere with "defense would rank No. 7 in NFL if you take away six big plays. It's not rocket science." If every team takes away 6 big plays, the rankings would still be the same. This coming from a professional DC in the NFL? Seriously? What kind of statement is that? Every defense gives up at least 6 big plays by 8th week. How about if Pees did his job better so players can play to their strengths better and we would be ranked 7th? I am willing to bet Pees made more strategic mistakes than 6 big plays given up by defense. Focus on your job instead of trying to make the world think you're blameless. Pees never owning up to his responsibilities and shifting problems elsewhere publicly is a turn off.

[The Mom Gene]

I think everyone would much rather have torrey.  Torrey is a natural pass catcher, it is jacoby that catches with his body.  

Not sure why, but it appears that even though it's really apparent.  Did Torrey make some great plays???  Sure!  But, we all know  that Torrey struggled here... and that's why he isn't here anymore...  And he is even struggling moreso in San Fran.  He drew all those PI's, couldn't seem to fight for the ball.  It seemed like he only caught what was thrown perfectly.  Even Suggs told him...  "Sometimes you just gotta go out there and be great.  All those throws aren't going to be perfect"... He didn't fight for balls...  and he had a hard time getting his feet down in the endzone on quite a few occasions... Absence seems to make the heart grow fonder.  I just don't get why some of us aren't willing to give Givens a chance and are judging him already... he's young.

[ellicottraven]

"Ravens DC Dean Pees said defense would rank No. 7 in NFL if you take away six big plays. "It's not rocket science"...

Hey Mr. Pees, I have some revealing news for you. Every defense ranked in the bottom 5 will also be a top 10 defense if you take away six to eight big plays sir! So stop making justifications that have no relevance because we aren't ranked the #7 Defense.

[FloridalovesRavens]

I don't think we will dominate on Sunday but we should win. I don't care if by one point. Just WIN. Go Ravens!

[RavenManiac#7]

I really can't see any sense in Harbaugh, or the rest of the Ravens, realistically holding onto some silly 0.6 % of a chance to make the playoffs. Why can't they have a more realistic and beneficial attitude of what the rest of this season should really be about? What do a few more wins do for us? They gain us nothing, but they will cost us a worse position in the draft. I am Not advocating that we actually Try to lose games. What I Am saying is that it is really in our Best interests to focus, not on wins, but rather on evaluating every single player that we have on our roster, and even PS, to see who we want to keep to rebuild with and who really has no place on the team moving forward. Come on, Harbs, deep down inside you Know that we are in a rebuilding mode. We simply have too many needs and areas we need to improve in to consider us a contending team. Sometimes it is wiser to have some vision and to realize that a couple/few more wins are less important than evaluation, rebuilding, and having access to the better players in the draft. I love to win, and hate to lose even more, but, doggone it, sometimes you have to think beyond the moment. We are Not a threat to anyone this year. Accept it, and work Hard towards returning this team to what it once was. Do everything you can to figure out what we have, don't have, what we need, and the best way to get where we want to be again as quickly as we possibly can.

[Ravenshine]

It feels like the bye week was a metaphorical 'half time' of the season...AND it came exactly half way thru season. And like any half time in a game, there is always that sense of anticipation as to what we'll see second half of game - this case season. So I'm just excited to get a game back on Sunday. I want to see what so many players do now that the shifts have been made and some important ?'s have been answered, and some ?'s (different ones) remain to be answered.

[balfan23]

"Ravens defense would rank No. 7 in NFL if you take away six big plays. " - Dean Pees

 

We'd also could be 7-1 ... but guess what ... those big plays took place. What's the point in this kind of statement?

 

Also, I don't want to hear about "stacking" wins or going 8-0 to finish the season. I was hearing that stacking term after the Pittsburgh win and what happened after that? We lost a home game to the lowly Browns.

 

How about we go out and win on Sunday - and not have any ifs about what could have happened had we not had some lapse or another. Then, we worry about the next Sunday.

[Raven_Don]

For the record Torrey is not a natural hands catcher... remember he had to work extremely hard just to get where he's at... he suffered from the dropsies early in his career... and struggled most of last year... he came on strong at the end... but he struggles against press coverage and wasn't as polished running all routes... but the young man can definitely stretch the field... I think Givens will be solid for the Black and Purple... it comes down to Joe... he's played well considering that he's had a revolving door with his offensive line and wide outs...

[The Mom Gene]

For the record Torrey is not a natural hands catcher... remember he had to work extremely hard just to get where he's at... he suffered from the dropsies early in his career... and struggled most of last year... he came on strong at the end... but he struggles against press coverage and wasn't as polished running all routes... but the young man can definitely stretch the field... I think Givens will be solid for the Black and Purple... it comes down to Joe... he's played well considering that he's had a revolving door with his offensive line and wide outs...

 

Absolutely...  And two plays specifically, in the endzone...  One, where all he had to do was tap his toe in a 4th quarter pass that would have given us a win...  He was O.B.  In the final minutes of the Patriots game in the playoffs, he didn't fight for that ball...  he gave the Patriots defender a little shove for an interception that would have won that game.  People are giving him way more credit than he deserved.  Not worth the $6 - 8M he wanted AT ALL.

 

Watch Minute 7:36  Deron Parker Interception... Never even went for or fought for the ball...  just went for the shove....

https://youtu.be/XtkCKj_29JA​

[Maryland]

Jags trying to get every advantage they can get, wearing these blindingly-ugly uniforms.

[ryananth]

We might also be 7th ranked defense if you took away the DC

[Ravenshine]

Jags trying to get every advantage they can get, wearing these blindingly-ugly uniforms.

Lol! You might have uncovered the steelers strategy with this as well.

[Crusader]

It never fails. Every article has to have Perriman name in it and yet the guy has yet to even step on a NFL football field except in street cloths.

[budman]

It never fails. Every article has to have Perriman name in it and yet the guy has yet to even step on a NFL football field except in street cloths.

My guess is they are just trying to keep him relevant and ease all the fan scrutiny.

[RavensBaltimore]

I really can't see any sense in Harbaugh, or the rest of the Ravens, realistically holding onto some silly 0.6 % of a chance to make the playoffs. Why can't they have a more realistic and beneficial attitude of what the rest of this season should really be about? .

That "0.6 % chance" number means absolutely nothing. There are so many variables involved, it doesn't have a chance to be accurate. It's probably just a generalization of 2-6 teams, but the Ravens are not like any other 2-6 team that I have ever seen. NOBODY has beaten us convincingly, and we've had 2 of the top teams in the AFC on the ropes, showing that we can play with anyone, and we just need to cut out some of the unforced mistakes. Those types of adjustments are NOT unrealistic. In 2013, we started 4-6, then won 4 straight before Flacco's knee injury. The previous year, we finished the season 1-4, then won the Super Bowl. What do you think the numbers geeks said the odds were for that? The schedule gets much easier in the second half, and going on a win streak, which would put us right back in the race, is certainly possible. The AFC wildcard contenders are pretty weak this year, which means we probably don't have to be perfect to get in. Even if we came up short, finishing the season with momentum can be beneficial. The 1999 Ravens started 4-8, then won 4 straight to finish 8-8, and barely missed the playoffs. We all know what happened the next year. Sports would be incredibly lame if capable teams had a defeatist attitude and gave up when the odds were against them. I, for one, am excited to see the Ravens try and make history.

[Crusader]

"My guess is they are just trying to keep him relevant and ease all the fan scrutiny." Their making it worse! Its like poking a sore. We know Ozzie wasted a number one pick on a number two at best. I bet $100.00 Ozzie does not pick another receiver next year draft because what happens if next year Ozzie picks a receiver say at number two or latter and he tuns out a big time number one. Perriman's history. Ozzie looks bad. Ozzie can't do it.

[RavensBaltimore]

having the "dropsies" doesn't mean a guy is not a natural hands catcher.  torrey has always gone for the ball with two hands ,he has never tried to cradle the ball with his chest.  just because he does't catch it every time doesn't mean he is not naturally one to go up with both hands.

That's not true at all. Torrey rarely went after the ball with his hands. He usually waited for it to come to him. Last year, when he made what may have been a season saving play when he went up over Joe Haden and made a contested catch, he even said himself that he had been waiting for the ball to come to him too often, and he decided he was going to go up and get it this time. Most of the time, he would let it come down to his body, which is why he rarely made contested catches. He never did have soft hands, and he was never a natural at using his hands to snatch the ball out of the air.

[NNITRED]

It's unfortunate that Torrey Smith couldn't make up for our defense giving up two 14 point leads and allowing 35 points.it also doesn't matter that he was grabbed by arm with both hands back at the 20 on the final play couldn't make up the speed. It's also unfortunate that Jacoby took 2-3(with penalty) opportunities off the board by not taking the fair catch and wasting 10 of our last 14 seconds running for last chance at glory. 2014 is gone. It's not like we marching on to the SB anyway. Maybe some remember what luck and company did to us when went Indy and we were healthier. Get over it. 2014 is gone.

Edited November 13, 2015 by NNITRED

[RavensBaltimore]

We know Ozzie wasted a number one pick on a number two at best.

No we don't. You just made that up. There is not a single piece of information that suggests Perriman will be a number two at best. I have a newsflash for you. Perriman is not the only player to get injured. Players return from injuries and still end up being great all the time. Even if it takes until next year, he will heal, and he will have the same ability he had before his injury.

[The Mom Gene]

It's unfortunate that Torrey Smith couldn't make up for our defense giving up two 14 point leads and allowing 35 points.it also doesn't matter that he was grabbed by arm with both hands back at the 20 on the final play couldn't make up the speed. It's also unfortunate that Jacoby took 2-3(with penalty) opportunities off the board by not taking the fair catch and wasting 10 of our last 14 seconds running for last chance at glory. 2014 is gone. It's not like we marching on to the SB anyway. Maybe some remember what luck and company did to us when went Indy and we were healthier. Get over it. 2014 is gone.

The entire conversation was about giving Givens a fair shot, I agree we need to STOP comparing him to Torrey.  Let him prove he can make a difference, and to refresh people's minds about why Torrey isn't here anymore...  Just sayin'.  Others were remorsing Torrey's departure...  not me, that's for sure.

 

P.S...  That one catch was the only chance we had at that point, and yes, would have won the game. 

[RavensFootballFan]

Am glad we have Givens on the Ravens team. Looking forward to seeing him get more balls thrown his way and see what happens. Hopefully he will be one of our future WRs if everything works out. Wish him the best of luck.

[MikebRaven]

It feels like the bye week was a metaphorical 'half time' of the season...AND it came exactly half way thru season. And like any half time in a game, there is always that sense of anticipation as to what we'll see second half of game - this case season. So I'm just excited to get a game back on Sunday. I want to see what so many players do now that the shifts have been made and some important ?'s have been answered, and some ?'s (different ones) remain to be answered.

Are these ?'s you refer to the ones we see here?

[billiejean]

That's not true at all. Torrey rarely went after the ball with his hands. He usually waited for it to come to him. Last year, when he made what may have been a season saving play when he went up over Joe Haden and made a contested catch, he even said himself that he had been waiting for the ball to come to him too often, and he decided he was going to go up and get it this time. Most of the time, he would let it come down to his body, which is why he rarely made contested catches. He never did have soft hands, and he was never a natural at using his hands to snatch the ball out of the air.

look at any of his highlight tapes he catches the ball 95 percent of the time with his hands.  women lie, men lie, numbers don't lie 

Edited November 13, 2015 by billiejean