[News] Late For Work 11/12: Other NFL Rookie Receivers Not Much Better Off Than Breshad Perriman

[MadStorkSociety]

My pick in the draft was Kevin White. So, shockingly!, i am not better than Ozzie!

[bmorehungrybird]

Pees is done after this year!

[ellicottraven]

Pees is done after this year!

even if we run the table and end up as a top 5 defense? No it just depends on how he does in the next 8 games. But, if the current trend continues he may not even last the season.

[balfan23]

Jimmy hinting at Pees being the problem? I think so.

Definitely had the feel of Smith thinking that Pees did a little finger pointing and he wanted to do the same ... but backed off. Fans have always deemed that Pees is a way too tentative coach ... then he sorta calls out (arguably his best DB) for being too tentative. 

 

It is kind of a weird situation. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but if the secondary doesn't turn things around, I have to think there are going to be some changes made. 

[PalmBayRaven]

The article is "Why the Cupboard is Bare" by Thomas Grant Baltimore Beatdown. I think it explains why we are the way we are now. Poor draft choices the last 7 years. The only playmaker in the John Harbaugh era is Joe Flacco. We have had hits in the 4th round like Pitta, Kyle Juszcyzk,Ladarius Webb, Brandon Williams but the rounds 1-4 not so good. If they were good we wouldn't have had to draft Terrence Brooks and CJ Mosley a few years after drafting Matt Elam, Arthur Brown. It's the players in rounds 1-4 they should be serviceable but are not.

[EliteRavens]

Breshad Perriman will light it up on his debut game. You heard it here

[Crusader]

You're missing the point. At Least they got on the field and ran some routs. Perriman is so far behind in EVERYTHING He will still be a rookie next year.I don't blame Perriman but Ozzie should have done his home work. Heck all he had to do is use GOOGLE. All Perriman had going for him was he ran fast in a straight line.

[Crusader]

Those 'Other" teams have other talented receivers.

[Bohica5]

The only thing perriman is "lighting up" is his Medical Insurance Card......You heard it here!....oh wait...Everyone already knew this......

[Bohica5]

How is he shielded from the fans when he's gonna be at the  Toys for Tots function on Friday?

C'mon man......They must need towels.......jeez.......

[MdPride1]

Ozzie and our scouting department has made some pretty bad judgement calls in the last few drafts. He took Bernard pierce(3rd round) over Lamar miller(4th round) and t.y. Hilton(4th round). Martavis Bryant(4th round) in 2014 draft. This past year he even took tray walker and nick Boyle right before stefon diggs got drafted, I mean c'mon Ozzie what were you thinking?? I know Ozzie still makes some good picks but I'm starting to lose faith in "Ozzie we trust". Many of us are just fans and we could tell diggs was good enough to be drafted in the 4th round. A lot of players get injured in college so don't play that card as why we didn't draft him

[drillem]

The front office needs to hire some new blood to look for talent and to coach the 'talent' we have. There seems to be a lacking on both fronts now.

[purpledown]

There must be a reason West was available maturity, and hopefully, nothing else msut be the reason.

[Ravensfolyfe]

I'm done talking about Perriman. Next man up.

[smolina2o1]

I just gotta laugh at some of the points that the editor makes for these articles. Lmao, first off, the other rookie WRs are at least on the field PLAYING, at the very least contributing to their respective teams and competing. Perriman is simply taking up a roster spot that could be used on someone more deserving at this point. Can't help but imagine how long it would take for Perriman to recover from an ACL tear, but then again he would need to actually practice/play. I don't mean to come off as a jerk but in all seriousness this has to be concern going forward not just for the rest of this year but for the remaining years on his rookie contract. In all honesty, I hope he can prove us all wrong and provide a spark for this offense, but at this point we're so desperate that we would be elated to hear that Perriman is at least practicing. #disgruntledRavenfan

[Ravensfansince03]

Sadly its almost as if we never had a 1st round pick

[Maryland]

I hope West does learn to be a professional, and Forsett is one of the best to teach him how. I was a student a TU when West carried the Tigers to the FCS championship. I'd love to see him succeed.

[RavensBlood2Bone5220]

It's a little fustrating that we didn't take a stronger look at Stefon Diggs. I mean he was a Terp right here in our backyard. I know he had injury issues during his last season but to see him produce for the Vikings and our guy Perriman out with injury. I guess hindsight is 20/20.

[Tru11]

5 times the Ravens did not make the playoffs under Billick. Under Harbaugh, barely missed one playoff and possibly a 2nd time this year. Both won one Super Bowl but Harbaugh has gone much further than Billick playoffs wise. Why didn't the Ravens do much better under Billick with higher percentages of draft picks than Harbaugh. You pointed out one bad year instead of looking at all the years of success under Harbaugh. Am amaze at how people forget the years the Ravens were one of most feared teams under Harbaugh and despite a bad record, teams still fear the Ravens because they know we will take it to them down the wire nearly every game. Can you say the same about Billick? Billick had 3 seasons where Ravens finished well below .500, so far Harbaugh has none.  I will take Harbaugh to guide the Ravens over Billick any day, regardless of percentage of draft picks.I look at the overall picture, am not going to forget the past and throw my favorite head coach under the bus because of one bad year. 

 

give billick flacco and harbaugh boller and you probably would change your tune.

 

its pretty much been the luck of the draw that boller did not pan out and flacco did.

 

they way a rookie QB turns out can make or break careers.

[Fastynart]

When are the Ravens going to stop blowing their first round draft choices. Two of the last 3 years they have just picked bums. No wonder the team is in the crapper. You can't keep missing on these top picks and expect to remain competetive. Harbaugh stinks. Yeah, "Harbaugh's team". We heard that crap ad nauseum in the media when Ray and Ed left. Well, how do you like "Harbaugh's Team" now?

[Purple&Black]

I just gotta laugh at some of the points that the editor makes for these articles. Lmao, first off, the other rookie WRs are at least on the field PLAYING, at the very least contributing to their respective teams and competing. Perriman is simply taking up a roster spot that could be used on someone more deserving at this point. Can't help but imagine how long it would take for Perriman to recover from an ACL tear, but then again he would need to actually practice/play. I don't mean to come off as a jerk but in all seriousness this has to be concern going forward not just for the rest of this year but for the remaining years on his rookie contract. In all honesty, I hope he can prove us all wrong and provide a spark for this offense, but at this point we're so desperate that we would be elated to hear that Perriman is at least practicing. #disgruntledRavenfan

Define on the field because Parker has been hurt, although he's been active seven games, he's only caught a pass in two. DGB just moved from inactive to the active roster a few weeks ago. white would was argues by some as the best wr, hasn't seen the field. Cooper is the only one that has made a difference on his team thus far. I get the point the article is making because I made the same point myself.

[Space11jams]

Some of yall doesn't make any sense and are very very spoiled. This is the Nfl. Not some peewee football league. It's tough to win any games in the NFL, doesn't matter what team you plag against. For us to have a winning org is a blessing. Stand behind the Ravens and stop crying like babies. Yeah we're 2-6 but at least our team isn't folding. They want to make a run and make history. I'm hearing firing coach harbs, new scouts and all types of crap. Sometimes things like this happens. You think Ozzie or Steve doesn't believe in harbs?! You think the players done?! That's not the case. The problem is we're just falling short. How many of those games we lost were wins but the def just didn't get off the field? How man games we lost was because of the o-line protecting? You can just release all the players and start fresh. Same with personal. It's hard to come by GOOD coaching and harbs is that. Stop complaining and stand behind them. We could sneak into the playoffs and that could be the boost to cause us to win another SB. Then you all be all excited and screaming my ravens but where were you in these times. We have time to get it right and if we don't we have next year. At lease we're not a org that hasn't seen a winning season in years! SMH. Go Ravens and cheers to the fans that understand where I'm coming from.

[RavensFootballFan]

give billick flacco and harbaugh boller and you probably would change your tune.

 

its pretty much been the luck of the draw that boller did not pan out and flacco did.

 

they way a rookie QB turns out can make or break careers.

 

I don't think any Ravens QB was successful under Billick other than Dilfer for one year and that was because the Ravens had one of best defense in NFL history that year. Ravens offense never ranked any higher than 17 and was as low as 31 during Billick years. Boller was still on Ravens team when Flacco was drafted. In fact, Boller was named the starter under Harbaugh in 2008 pre-season over Troy Smith, Flacco was 3rd string at the time. Boller was injured during pre-season and was placed on injured reserved just before start of season. Troy Smith then was starter over Flacco in pre-season but became ill with a rare disease called Lemierre's syndrome. Flacco became the starter by default because of injury to Boller and illness to T.Smith and we have not looked back since. I am not going to get into a debate on whether Flacco would have succeeded under Billick because Billick never had success with QBs. Besides, Billick and Harbaugh had different OCs and coaching styles. You can't take a Harbaugh coached Flacco and say Flacco would succeeded under different coaching philosophy of Billick. Billick had 13 different QBs over the years with the Ravens, some were very good QBs. None were ranked higher than 17th offense over Billick years. Flacco being successful under Harbaugh means he flourishes under Harbaugh's style of coaching but may not succeed under Billick's style of coaching.  

[Tru11]

I don't think any Ravens QB was successful under Billick other than Dilfer for one year and that was because the Ravens had one of best defense in NFL history that year. Ravens offense never ranked any higher than 17 and was as low as 31 during Billick years. Boller was still on Ravens team when Flacco was drafted. In fact, Boller was named the starter under Harbaugh in 2008 pre-season over Troy Smith, Flacco was 3rd string at the time. Boller was injured during pre-season and was placed on injured reserved just before start of season. Troy Smith then was starter over Flacco in pre-season but became ill with a rare disease called Lemierre's syndrome. Flacco became the starter by default because of injury to Boller and illness to T.Smith and we have not looked back since. I am not going to get into a debate on whether Flacco would have succeeded under Billick because Billick never had success with QBs. Besides, Billick and Harbaugh had different OCs and coaching styles. You can't take a Harbaugh coached Flacco and say Flacco would succeeded under different coaching philosophy of Billick. Billick had 13 different QBs over the years with the Ravens, some were very good QBs. None were ranked higher than 17th offense over Billick years. Flacco being successful under Harbaugh means he flourishes under Harbaugh's style of coaching but may not succeed under Billick's style of coaching.  

 

well i can cause i believe flacco is far more talented and better a QB then boller.

his mentality and confidence is also light years beyond boller.

 

so you are telling me boller and flacco are equal and the only difference between them is the HC and OC?

 

also most of the good QBs billick had where at the end of their career  and he actually showed how good he was with a QB since thats the main reason he became the HC lol.

 

He did a pretty darn good job with the Vikings as their OC.

His offense actually set NFL records at that time.

You need a QB to do that....

 

IF he had a QB like flacco to mold he would had more succes.

Boller just could not handle the NFL.

Edited November 13, 2015 by Tru11

[RavensFootballFan]

well i can cause i believe flacco is far more talented and better a QB then boller.

his mentality and confidence is also light years beyond boller.

 

so you are telling me boller and flacco are equal and the only difference between them is the HC and OC?

 

also most of the good QBs billick had where at the end of their career  and he actually showed how good he was with a QB since thats the main reason he became the HC lol.

 

He did a pretty darn good job with the Vikings as their OC.

His offense actually set NFL records at that time.

You need a QB to do that....

 

IF he had a QB like flacco to mold he would had more succes.

Boller just could not handle the NFL.

 

Where did I say that Flacco and Boller were equal? Unless I typed those words, don't assume. I am well aware that Billick had QBs on tail end of their careers. Billick also had several years to find a QB who fits the Ravens mold but didn't. Billick had success with Vikings does not mean he can replicate it with Ravens. That proves my point that just because they were successful on one team does not mean guaranteed success on another team. I can give you a long list of former Ravens who were very successful playing with the Ravens but falters with another coach/team or did not have success with the Ravens and did better with another coach/team. There are so many variables on how success hinges on each QB. Yes, Flacco is better than Boller but that does not mean Flacco would have guaranteed success with Billick. Look at Colin Kaepernick, not one single losing season with Jim Harbaugh in 4 years, 3 straight years of Conference Championship games and now is 3-6 under a different coach. Kaepernick's passing percentages also dropped since changes. Kap was benched the last game. Success under one coach and falters with another. There are plenty of QBs that had similar results or vice versa when changes are made. It is possible the Ravens could do better with Billick/Flacco? Yes. It is also possible that Flacco could do worse under Billick because coaching styles and playing styles between Harbaugh/Billick are day and night. You cannot take a present and drag it back to the past because rules and coaching styles are different then and now. 

Edited November 13, 2015 by RavensFootballFan

[NNITRED]

Misery loves company....that's all I get from the list.

[Tru11]

Where did I say that Flacco and Boller were equal? Unless I typed those words, don't assume. I am well aware that Billick had QBs on tail end of their careers. Billick also had several years to find a QB who fits the Ravens mold but didn't. Billick had success with Vikings does not mean he can replicate it with Ravens. That proves my point that just because they were successful on one team does not mean guaranteed success on another team. I can give you a long list of former Ravens who were very successful playing with the Ravens but falters with another coach/team or did not have success with the Ravens and did better with another coach/team. There are so many variables on how success hinges on each QB. Yes, Flacco is better than Boller but that does not mean Flacco would have guaranteed success with Billick. Look at Colin Kaepernick, not one single losing season with Jim Harbaugh in 4 years, 3 straight years of Conference Championship games and now is 3-6 under a different coach. Kaepernick's passing percentages also dropped since changes. Kap was benched the last game. Success under one coach and falters with another. There are plenty of QBs that had similar results or vice versa when changes are made. It is possible the Ravens could do better with Billick/Flacco? Yes. It is also possible that Flacco could do worse under Billick because coaching styles and playing styles between Harbaugh/Billick are day and night. You cannot take a present and drag it back to the past because rules and coaching styles are different then and now. 

 

im talking about the talent at QB.

 

keapernick is the same guy he has always been.

he just had better team around him prior years.

he was never a good QB.

niners issues come from all those players retiring and leaving in FA.

 

If billick had someone of flacco caliber that pan out we would not be having this discussion.

if harbaugh had someone of boller that failed we would not be having this discussion.

 

in flacco early years we did pretty much the same we did under billick.

run the ball and play good defense.

 

like you said Boller was still on this team when harbaugh took over and he did not magically get better even though there where different rules , different coach styles and whatever arguments you try to use.

 

boller was here under billick and he was here under harbaugh and neither could turn him into a QB worthy of a 1st round pick.

 

Boller was bad and it ended up costing billick his job.

Flacco has been pretty darn good and its why harbaugh has been accomplished as he is.

[RavensFootballFan]

im talking about the talent at QB.

 

keapernick is the same guy he has always been.

he just had better team around him prior years.

he was never a good QB.

niners issues come from all those players retiring and leaving in FA.

 

If billick had someone of flacco caliber that pan out we would not be having this discussion.

if harbaugh had someone of boller that failed we would not be having this discussion.

 

in flacco early years we did pretty much the same we did under billick.

run the ball and play good defense.

 

like you said Boller was still on this team when harbaugh took over and he did not magically get better even though there where different rules , different coach styles and whatever arguments you try to use.

 

boller was here under billick and he was here under harbaugh and neither could turn him into a QB worthy of a 1st round pick.

 

Boller was bad and it ended up costing billick his job.

Flacco has been pretty darn good and its why harbaugh has been accomplished as he is.

 

Of course, Flacco is pretty good and makes Harbaugh's job easier. You have to also give Harbaugh credit to helping provide an atmosphere for Flacco to grow and get better. You can use whatever argument you want also. I still stand by my opinions. Billick's final year as Vikings OC, a year he had Randall Cunningham, Hall of Famer Cris Carter and Randy Moss is what landed him a Ravens coaching job. A debate on if Flacco would win a Super Bowl during Boller years with Billick as head coach is something we'll never know and as such, will leave it at that. 

[smolina2o1]

Define on the field because Parker has been hurt, although he's been active seven games, he's only caught a pass in two. DGB just moved from inactive to the active roster a few weeks ago. white would was argues by some as the best wr, hasn't seen the field. Cooper is the only one that has made a difference on his team thus far. I get the point the article is making because I made the same point myself.

Parker has 4 receptions and 49 Yards thats more than Perriman has 0 and 0, DGB 12 receptions and 181 yards averaging 15 yards/rec also has 2 TDs, how many does Perriman have? (Don't worry I'll wait......) White is in the same boat as Perriman obviously. Nelson Agholor 11 receptions and 137 yards, Philip Dorsett 11 receptions 167 yards and 1 TD and Cooper 50 receptions 732 yards and 4 TDs (7 rec and 109 yards and TD against us) Now as I go back to MY POINT the other 1st round rookie WR have at least CONTRIBUTED to their respective teams, come correct with stats dude don't half butt it. and ur points are as ridiculous and irrelevant as the editors were. thanx take care #GoRavens 

[Purple&Black]

Parker has 4 receptions and 49 Yards thats more than Perriman has 0 and 0, DGB 12 receptions and 181 yards averaging 15 yards/rec also has 2 TDs, how many does Perriman have? (Don't worry I'll wait......) White is in the same boat as Perriman obviously. Nelson Agholor 11 receptions and 137 yards, Philip Dorsett 11 receptions 167 yards and 1 TD and Cooper 50 receptions 732 yards and 4 TDs (7 rec and 109 yards and TD against us) Now as I go back to MY POINT the other 1st round rookie WR have at least CONTRIBUTED to their respective teams, come correct with stats dude don't half butt it. and ur points are as ridiculous and irrelevant as the editors were. thanx take care #GoRavens 

I guess. Sure they contributed less than 200 yards (minus cooper) I guess that's really making a difference for their team. my point is no where near as irrelevant as yours. You arguing that against perriman because he hasn't seen the field when no other rookie WR has really done anything other than Cooper. Unless, per your stats, you consider under 200 yard averages and 2 tds combined with them all is paying dividends to their respective squads