joeyflex5's too early mock

[allblackraven]

no, i liked a tunsil/boyd combo, bosa/whoever combo, or a hargreaves/nassib combo, but i think we played ourselves out of that lol

With a top 10 pick we should still be in the game as far as Hargreaves goes. I believe he is the best overall player in this draft and might go top 5 but edge rushers, OL and maybe one QB will go before. I don't see Bell dropping to 3rd though.

 

Doesn't really matter much - where we pick, there's bound to be a good one on the board for us.

[52520Andrew]

no, i liked a tunsil/boyd combo, bosa/whoever combo, or a hargreaves/nassib combo, but i think we played ourselves out of that lol

Oh yeah for sure, would love Hargreaves, Tunsil, or Bosa

[The Oakland Cathedral]

I just don't see Ramsey being a good corner or safety in the nfl. At least not one worthy of a 1st rounder IMO.

[Sami84]

EDIT FOR WEEK 12 based on current standings

 

1. tennessee - laremy tunsil, i dont think the titans can afford to go any other way right now 

2. cleveland - whichever qb they value too highly, because its cleveland 

3. san diego - jalen ramsey, i just have this feeling that they reach to replace weddle with a guy with a similar skillset 

4. dallas - joey bosa because jerry jones loves to crush our dreams

5. san fran - some qb 

6. miami - vernon hargreaves, because /cry 

7. ANDDDD THE BALTIMORE RAVENS SELECT...

 

ROUND1:

 

emmanuel ogbah, edge, OKSTU. 

man, the difference that 1 win can make. anyway, i do think ogbah is a prototypical ravens OLB, he may take a minute to learn the extra nuances but he probably has the best motor and character and work ethic of any player in the draft. immediate contributor, and long term starter, team captain material. all the physical tools as well, could stand to play with lower hips but he still looks like a damn good future nfl player. hes finally getting the stock he has deserved. 

 

ROUND 2:

Kendall Fuller, CB, VT. 

 

his recent ACL knocks him down boards, as he was a early 2nd rounder, he slides a bit to us and the need and BPA is just too great. picking at 7th in the 2nd round means we miss out on guys like boyd, doctson, and darian thompson, but we still get a good player and hopefully he recovers from this knee injury. 

 

ROUND 3:

 

Vonn Bell, FS, OSU. 

 

the rangy, single high free safety we need, his stock is around early 3rd right now, if hes there he seems like a good pick, quality underrated player at a position of immense need, hopefully he becomes what terrence brooks couldnt. yannick ngakoue has a weird stock right now, if he continues to be in mid round limbo and he even sniffs the 3rd, we trade up for him for some home grown pass rushing nastiness, im taking bell here though because i think ngakoue blows up the combine and rises

 

I really like this draft. Ogbah is a really really good prospect. The more i watch him the more I'm impressed. He reminds me a lot of a orapko and has a bit of suggs in him. perfect 3-4 fit. 

 

I also like vonn bell. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I just don't see Ramsey being a good corner or safety in the nfl. At least not one worthy of a 1st rounder IMO.

hes too risky for my liking, ive soured on him once I noticed he rarely makes plays more than 10 yards off the line, hes not the kind of guy we are looking for, he would just be another type of safety that weve retreaded over and over, a guy who lacks deep coverage skills but excels closer to the line, but I do think hes gonna be a great safety as long as he is used right

[pechillo]

ogbah could easily drop to the 2nd. We could probably draft him in the 2nd round but first round, BPA kind of hits a big need for the Ravens. Ozzie will take a WR in back to back years with Laquon Treadwell. Then we could draft Ogbah in 2. or even Shilique Calhoun who could drop out of the 1st round too. But third round for safety I would take Karl Joseph. He's pro ready and a playmaker. A playmaker is what the ravens secondary needs. 

[pechillo]

all granted that Bosa isn't available by the time we draft. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Ogbah is getting top 10 hype and deservedly so. He may not go top 10 but 2nd round sounds very unlikely the way his stock has risen. And I don't know if I would take treadwell top 10, I don't see enough there to warrant such a high pick, he's a teens guy to me at best, but to each his own. Now if we win another game, then wr talk will pick up some heat, but I like the 2nd round guys better, give me Boyd, Doctson, and Williams in the 2nd over treadwell In the top 10 all day

[JoeyFlex5]

And if we took Calhoun with our 2nd, I'd be mad. Last thing this team needs is another big bodied DL with no first step, we desperately need some explosion at edge rusher, Calhoun is a perfect way for this defense to stagnate

Edited December 6, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[BmoreBird22]

no, i liked a tunsil/boyd combo, bosa/whoever combo, or a hargreaves/nassib combo, but i think we played ourselves out of that lol

I wouldn't touch Nassib in the second round, but that's just me on these boards it looks like. I don't even think he's better than Zettell or Johnson.

 

Anyway, as far as your mock goes, it's a torn meniscus for Kendall Fuller, meaning that he's going to be ready for the combine by about a good month, so he'll have time to really get ready and he should test fairly well. He won't blow anyone away, but he's going to be putting up solid numbers. Stock will not take a hit for an injury unless a portion of that rookie's season is in jeopardy, which in this case, it is not.

Also, Fuller played on that torn meniscus for three games this season. Teams are going to love that heart and have to realize that 2015, which was decent, isn't actually all he can do. They're going to need to turn back the tape and go to 2013 and 2014. He is incredibly talented with his ball skills (34 pass deflections and eight interceptions, one touchdown in 28 starts) and almost had a five interception performance against Duke, but he dropped two that hit him right in the chest. He's one of the most aggressive press man corners you'll find and he does it with a great understanding of technique, foot placement, and a great understanding of leverage. He's also very multiple in how he can align pre-snap, being able to line up on either side, in the slot, or at safety. 

 

I don't think I need to tell you anything about his skills, so I tried to keep it short, but basically, I really do not see him slipping into the second. If he does, hell yeah, I'll take it because I think he is every bit the second or third best corner in this class, depending on how you rate Alexander. I just think more than likely he will be a first round pick and make a team very happy. 

[GrimCoconut]

I wouldn't touch Nassib in the second round, but that's just me on these boards it looks like. I don't even think he's better than Zettell or Johnson.

I like Nassib a lot but I also have concerns. What are yours? I have no problem with someone not wanting to take someone in x round but you should at least give a rationale.

[BmoreBird22]

I like Nassib a lot but I also have concerns. What are yours? I have no problem with someone not wanting to take someone in x round but you should at least give a rationale.

Limited atheltecism and lateral agility, which would be a premium for the OLB, unless you figure he'd be a 3-4DE, which won't happen at that weight Edited December 6, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[GrimCoconut]

Limited atheltecism and lateral agility, which would be a premium for the OLB, unless you figure he'd be a 3-4DE, which won't happen at that weight

I don't know if I can agree with that. I've seen him show some nice athleticism and he moves around the tackle well. I do think he'll have issues in coverage. He doesn't play that well and I'm concerned about his height since those tall guys as OLB don't typically play as well from what I've seen on the whole.

[BmoreBird22]

I don't know if I can agree with that. I've seen him show some nice athleticism and he moves around the tackle well. I do think he'll have issues in coverage. He doesn't play that well and I'm concerned about his height since those tall guys as OLB don't typically play as well from what I've seen on the whole.

I think we'll get a pretty good idea when he tests, but I don't expect his cone drills or shuttle drills to be anything more than average.

[JoeyFlex5]

Limited atheltecism and lateral agility, which would be a premium for the OLB, unless you figure he'd be a 3-4DE, which won't happen at that weight

but he is pretty explosive. Great first step, great bend, I don't know what this limited athleticism is that you're referring to

[52liveforever]

EDIT FOR WEEK 12 based on current standings

 

1. tennessee - laremy tunsil, i dont think the titans can afford to go any other way right now 

2. cleveland - whichever qb they value too highly, because its cleveland 

3. san diego - jalen ramsey, i just have this feeling that they reach to replace weddle with a guy with a similar skillset 

4. dallas - joey bosa because jerry jones loves to crush our dreams

5. san fran - some qb 

6. miami - vernon hargreaves, because /cry 

7. ANDDDD THE BALTIMORE RAVENS SELECT...

 

ROUND1:

 

emmanuel ogbah, edge, OKSTU. 

man, the difference that 1 win can make. anyway, i do think ogbah is a prototypical ravens OLB, he may take a minute to learn the extra nuances but he probably has the best motor and character and work ethic of any player in the draft. immediate contributor, and long term starter, team captain material. all the physical tools as well, could stand to play with lower hips but he still looks like a damn good future nfl player. hes finally getting the stock he has deserved. 

 

ROUND 2:

Kendall Fuller, CB, VT. 

 

his recent ACL knocks him down boards, as he was a early 2nd rounder, he slides a bit to us and the need and BPA is just too great. picking at 7th in the 2nd round means we miss out on guys like boyd, doctson, and darian thompson, but we still get a good player and hopefully he recovers from this knee injury. 

 

ROUND 3:

 

Vonn Bell, FS, OSU. 

 

the rangy, single high free safety we need, his stock is around early 3rd right now, if hes there he seems like a good pick, quality underrated player at a position of immense need, hopefully he becomes what terrence brooks couldnt. yannick ngakoue has a weird stock right now, if he continues to be in mid round limbo and he even sniffs the 3rd, we trade up for him for some home grown pass rushing nastiness, im taking bell here though because i think ngakoue blows up the combine and rises

 

I thought Fuller just tore his meniscus? I like this mock though. I think we could possibly trade back a little bit and still be able to nab ogbah, but if not I'd still be happy with him there.

[BmoreBird22]

but he is pretty explosive. Great first step, great bend, I don't know what this limited athleticism is that you're referring to

I definitely don't see great bend. I too often see him bending at the waist, not at the knees, and it's definitely hurting him.

 

He's not someone who moves super well laterally or has exceptional agility. 

 

He's not someone I'd take in the top 40, where the Ravens will likely be picking in the second. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I definitely don't see great bend. I too often see him bending at the waist, not at the knees, and it's definitely hurting him.

He's not someone who moves super well laterally or has exceptional agility.

He's not someone I'd take in the top 40, where the Ravens will likely be picking in the second.

bend as in bending the corner, he's good at beating the tackle on the speed rush and turning the corner. And let's be real, we're not looking for a coverage linebacker in the 2nd, were looking for a pass rusher, which he does better than most other 2nd rounders

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, Nassib isn't good in coverage and that's clear. Maybe he'll develop there but he can get after the QB and he's pretty effective at it. He's also shown dedication. Those are important qualities that couldn't be overlooked.

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah, Nassib isn't good in coverage and that's clear. Maybe he'll develop there but he can get after the QB and he's pretty effective at it. He's also shown dedication. Those are important qualities that couldn't be overlooked.

as tall as he is, he may struggle in coverage but his ridiculous length will be a huge attribute, when he can't get to the qb in a hurry he can stay back and go for the swat

[BmoreBird22]

bend as in bending the corner, he's good at beating the tackle on the speed rush and turning the corner. And let's be real, we're not looking for a coverage linebacker in the 2nd, were looking for a pass rusher, which he does better than most other 2nd rounders

When I'm looking at bend, I don't want to see him leaning forward and bending from his waist and getting his head down. 

I've seen too many times where he's leaned so far forward that the offensive lineman just pushed down on his back and put him face first into the ground.

Edited December 7, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[JoeyFlex5]

When I'm looking at bend, I don't want to see him leaning forward and bending from his waist and getting his head down.

I've seen too many times where he's leaned so far forward that the offensive lineman just pushed down on his back and put him face first into the ground.

yeah I've seen that too. He's not a perfect prospect by any means but I think he is worth an early second because of his length and explosiveness. I think at worst he comes in and becomes a situational rusher and gets 8sacks a year. I think he's a bit of an upgrade over mcphee.

[GrimCoconut]

When I'm looking at bend, I don't want to see him leaning forward and bending from his waist and getting his head down. 

I've seen too many times where he's leaned so far forward that the offensive lineman just pushed down on his back and put him face first into the ground.

He needs work on technique but he's still a developing prospect and reminds me somewhat of Ezekiel Ansah coming out of college in terms of how his technique isn't there but he displays raw tools to get there. Ansah was, however, better with his technique than Nassib, but Nassib is not at all bad with his technique. I think he could be a really nice player. I actually like him as a hybrid DL player, who could potentially play 4-3 RE or a 3-4 DE. I'm not sure he will ever be an effective 3-4 OLB, to be honest, but I do like him in these roles I mentioned. 

Edited December 7, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[JoeyFlex5]

He needs work on technique but he's still a developing prospect and reminds me somewhat of Ezekiel Ansah coming out of college in terms of how his technique isn't there but he displays raw tools to get there. Ansah was, however, better with his technique than Nassib, but Nassib is not at all bad with his technique. I think he could be a really nice player. I actually like him as a hybrid DL player, who could potentially play 4-3 RE or a 3-4 DE. I'm not sure he will ever be an effective 3-4 OLB, to be honest, but I do like him in these roles I mentioned.

in this defense, I see him as a rotational edge rusher, he will come in on our 4down packages as an end and pin his ears back, and I think that's where he would be most effective. He could be very dangerous facing RTs on an island

[GrimCoconut]

in this defense, I see him as a rotational edge rusher, he will come in on our 4down packages as an end and pin his ears back, and I think that's where he would be most effective. He could be very dangerous facing RTs on an island

Yeah, but we really need a guy who can be that guy on the weak side, not a guy who will go against the strong side. He's also not great against the run but he's not bad. His questionable instincts are a concern there. That's a major weakness of his game, but he is still developing so they should hopefully improve. He needs development regardless of where he goes. In some ways, I think he makes perfect sense for the Bengals. I actually think that would be the ideal team to draft him. He may well end up their first round pick if they pick late in the draft as it looks like they will.

Edited December 7, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[martinman89]

I agree with rounds 2-3 but Ogbah is a looong stretch for us to pick him not because we can't but because he is not worthy of a top 10 pick. I see his tape and all I see is Courtney Upshaw and Sam Montgomery. No disrespect to Upshaw because I really like his game but Ogbah is not even a true OLB in which you acknowledge. Even at that, he is not the best player available with pick #7. I'd take Robert Nkemdiche, Myles Jack, and Jaylon Smith over Ogbah any day. Besides, most mock drafts have Ogbah going mid to late round 1. 

[allblackraven]

I agree with rounds 2-3 but Ogbah is a looong stretch for us to pick him not because we can't but because he is not worthy of a top 10 pick. I see his tape and all I see is Courtney Upshaw and Sam Montgomery. No disrespect to Upshaw because I really like his game but Ogbah is not even a true OLB in which you acknowledge. Even at that, he is not the best player available with pick #7. I'd take Robert Nkemdiche, Myles Jack, and Jaylon Smith over Ogbah any day. Besides, most mock drafts have Ogbah going mid to late round 1. 

Unless we are switching full time to 43, J. Smith and M. Jack just don't make any sense for Ravens. You won't draft Ogbah top 10 after saying he is mid-first prospect but you do want to spend top 10 pick on players who are undersized for Ravens linebackers and can mostly play in pass coverage in NFL 34 defense?

[JoeyFlex5]

I agree with rounds 2-3 but Ogbah is a looong stretch for us to pick him not because we can't but because he is not worthy of a top 10 pick. I see his tape and all I see is Courtney Upshaw and Sam Montgomery. No disrespect to Upshaw because I really like his game but Ogbah is not even a true OLB in which you acknowledge. Even at that, he is not the best player available with pick #7. I'd take Robert Nkemdiche, Myles Jack, and Jaylon Smith over Ogbah any day. Besides, most mock drafts have Ogbah going mid to late round 1.

ogbahs stock has been everywhere but more recently it has skyrocketed, and rightfully so, he may be raw but he has the prototypical measurables and a very high motor and iq and is a workaholic off the field. He's an Ozzie kind of player and nobody will be surprised if he goes top10.

[JoeyFlex5]

after looking it over again, i have warmed up to yannick ngakoue a lot, he looks like a professional OLB, and i think he has an extremely high ceiling and a floor of a good rotational pass rusher, and i think i actually like him more than nassib, he appears to just be more well suited to getting to the qb as an OLB at the next level, nassib appears to be less of a finished product and less of a system fit as well. the more i think about it, the more i love the idea of trading back in the first and getting an extra 2nd round pick, and getting ngakoue with that extra 2nd, and in the first we can hope for a guy like nkemdiche to fall and make up a seriously scary duo, if not we can always take treadwell or some other huge talent who slid. with our original 2nd we can take a guy like boyd, mckensie alexander, or michael thomas. 

[martinman89]

Unless we are switching full time to 43, J. Smith and M. Jack just don't make any sense for Ravens. You won't draft Ogbah top 10 after saying he is mid-first prospect but you do want to spend top 10 pick on players who are undersized for Ravens linebackers and can mostly play in pass coverage in NFL 34 defense?

If you haven't noticed, the NFL is a PASSING league. Those linebackers I just mentioned would greatly help our PASS defense. Being undersized shouldn't hinder a player's playing ability. There are quite a few LB's in this league who are coverage linebackers and "undersized". With that said, Jaylon Smith is 6'3" and Myles Jack is 6'1", they are not undersized. Linebackers who can cover TE's and RB's are going to be jewels in this league. Considering a top 10 pick, Ogbah is not the best player available at pick 6 OR 7 in my opinion.