joeyflex5's too early mock

[Underdogsontop!]

It's never too early...lol nice mock! As a fan it's always good to think of possible ways to improve and get better.

[January J]

Has everyone forgotten our track record when it comes to drafting WR's? Let's be honest, how confident are you in the Ravens to be spot on in drafting a WR, regardless of what round it is? I feel that the Ravens would be much better suited signing an established WR in free agency, something with which we've had success doing in the past, rather than using a high draft pick on one and attempt to develop him. Unfortunately, that's just not the Ravens strength. Besides, the system the Ravens run does not necessarily favor WR's to put up huge numbers over the course of a regular season. So why draft a WR who will never be what every fan dreams in one being, especially after we got our guy in last years draft? I just think there is better value in using those draft picks to invest elsewhere. I do believe that Breshad Perriman will be the truth and excel in our system similar to, if not better than, Torrey Smith. 

 

The Raven's philosophy involves playing good defense, having a strong running game, and utilizing the play action pass. I have a lot of confidence in our very young and talented TE group to move the chains on third downs. I also have a lot of confidence in Breshad Perriman being a legitimate deep threat to stretch the field. My only concern is that we don't have an established possession WR, which is why I'd rather sign one in free agency than draft one. So, this brings me back to my point on Ezekiel Elliot. Now that guy would really excel in our system. If he falls to the end of the first round, I'd personally love to see the Ravens pull the trigger on him. As for our 1st round pick, I have more confidence in us drafting an edge rusher or O-lineman. We always nail drafting those positions. But hey, at the end of the day, we all know the Ravens like to draft the BPA, which is what I speculate we will do. Who knows who that will be by the time the draft comes around? 

 

We really need Flacco to restructure his deal so we can let the Wizard of Oz do his magic. As always, in Oz we Trust. Just one other thought to get everyone riled up because of this post, I am a little suspect on Marc Trestman as our Offensive Coordinator. I don't know if that's really fair to say or not because he has not had a full season yet, but I question his play calling sometimes. I think that when Kubiak left last year and took those other offensive coaches with him, it really hurt us. We are still trying to rebound from that.

just because our track record is bad doesn't mean we just give up drafting them- if a receiver is the bpa then we will take him.

[usmccharles]

just because our track record is bad doesn't mean we just give up drafting them- if a receiver is the bpa then we will take him.

Not gonna lie, pretty  happy that WR wont be BPA considering where we will be picking...unless we trade back. 

[January J]

Not gonna lie, pretty  happy that WR wont be BPA considering where we will be picking...unless we trade back.

yeah probably not in the first. But I was referring to the 2nd or 3rd round which is a good possibility.

[usmccharles]

yeah probably not in the first. But I was referring to the 2nd or 3rd round which is a good possibility.

yea im with you on that, i just want defense in the first like most

[January J]

yea im with you on that, i just want defense in the first like most

mos def

[Mt. Crushmore]

Even in a general sense, I feel that the values are debatable. I personally don't believe that a franchise LT is head and shoulders above a pass rusher or a DB with relation to team success. The following aren't the most accurate examples in terms of the impact of the individual positions, but the fact that the majority of SuperBowl participants over the last 5 seasons had at least one arguably franchise-caliber pass rusher on the field throughout the playoff run denotes the importance of the position to some degree. With players like David Diehl, Jonathan Scott, Chris Clark, Charlie Johnson, Jermon Bushrod and even Russell Okung, who's had a mostly disappointing career considering where he was drafted, you could argue that most didn't have a franchise LT. Obviously you can't just have whoever at LT, and it's not a perfect example, but it shows that there's not necessarily a runaway answer to such a degree where there shouldn't even be a conversation on the matter.

 

I'm with you here. I'd put a pass rusher #1 and then probably DB then LT, though DB and LT are pretty close. Things like this really show up in the DaF that we do. I usually end up taking a LT early, but that is because the position usually goes on a big run early and I don't want to get stuck. The latest I've taken a pass rusher/DL is the 2nd round.

[-Truth-]

I'm with you here. I'd put a pass rusher #1 and then probably DB then LT, though DB and LT are pretty close. Things like this really show up in the DaF that we do. I usually end up taking a LT early, but that is because the position usually goes on a big run early and I don't want to get stuck. The latest I've taken a pass rusher/DL is the 2nd round.

Good to hear. And good points. The DB position is deeper in the DaF, so I agree there as well. My latest was early 3rd round so I obviously concur there as well.

[Drew P]

A DB in the top 5 doesn't happen very often. You have to consider if the Ravens select a DB at 5 they intend to run him out there day one. Who's spot does he take? Webb and Smith would be 2 very high priced # 3's (albeit fitting). If they come in at # 8-15 I can see them selecting Buckner or even Shaq Lawson.

[PurpleCity5]

A DB in the top 5 doesn't happen very often. You have to consider if the Ravens select a DB at 5 they intend to run him out there day one. Who's spot does he take? Webb and Smith would be 2 very high priced # 3's (albeit fitting). If they come in at # 8-15 I can see them selecting Buckner or even Shaq Lawson.

Hargreaves is one of the best CB to enter the draft in a very long time. Patrick Peterson went 5th overall if I can recall, I don't see why Hargreaves shouldn't at least be in consideration there.

As far as who's spot he takes, CBs tend to be a bit developmental. I say put him out there as a slot CB, then after a year you cut bait with Webb and make him your starter.

[Drew P]

Hargreaves is one of the best CB to enter the draft in a very long time. Patrick Peterson went 5th overall if I can recall, I don't see why Hargreaves shouldn't at least be in consideration there.

As far as who's spot he takes, CBs tend to be a bit developmental. I say put him out there as a slot CB, then after a year you cut bait with Webb and make him your starter.

 

Not doubting the talent of him nor Ramsey just wondering how does that have an immediate impact on the performance of that defense? I believe their issues are upfront and can be more easily remedied by generating a push. At this point tough there are many positions that can be addressed.

[PurpleCity5]

Not doubting the talent of him nor Ramsey just wondering how does that have an immediate impact on the performance of that defense? I believe their issues are upfront and can be more easily remedied by generating a push. At this point tough there are many positions that can be addressed.

I feel that you can't lose picking a DB, it's a need on both sides, whether CB or S. I've kind of rounded my top 3 and it comprises of Bosa, Tunsil, and Hargreaves in order. I feel that Hargreaves will be going in the top 7 while Ramsey will follow into the top 10. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Not doubting the talent of him nor Ramsey just wondering how does that have an immediate impact on the performance of that defense? I believe their issues are upfront and can be more easily remedied by generating a push. At this point tough there are many positions that can be addressed.

pass rush is definitely a hole that needs to be addressed but FS is by far the biggest hole on the team and CB is an overrated need but a need for sure, drafting either ramsey or hargreaves would pay immediate dividends, pass rush doesnt help when receivers are wide open before the qb even finishes his drop back

[PurpleCity5]

pass rush is definitely a hole that needs to be addressed but FS is by far the biggest hole on the team and CB is an overrated need but a need for sure, drafting either ramsey or hargreaves would pay immediate dividends, pass rush doesnt help when receivers are wide open before the qb even finishes his drop back

I personally think that any one in the top 5 would be a good pick for us(Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Tunsil, Nkem/Stanley). I really think in terms of order, Bosa, Tunsil, Hargreaves, Ramsey, and Stanley would be ranked highest on our board in order. 

 

I honestly hope Bosa falls to us and we take him. Man, would that make me really happy. Could you imagine if we came away with Bosa, Boyd, and Bell? That would get me hyped. 

Edited November 25, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[Inqui]

I personally think that any one in the top 5 would be a good pick for us(Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Tunsil, Nkem/Stanley). I really think in terms of order, Bosa, Tunsil, Hargreaves, Ramsey, and Stanley would be ranked highest on our board in order. 

 

I honestly hope Bosa falls to us and we take him. Man, would that make me really happy. Could you imagine if we came away with Bosa, Boyd, and Bell? That would get me hyped. 

Apparently Bosa's a little overrated by the public, and scouts see him more as a top five guy than a clear-cut #1. If that's true, there's no reason he couldn't fall to us if we stay in that 3-5 region. Though it could also be a smokescreen to make teams with higher picks second-guess how they view him.

 

Any one of those six would be a dream pick-up in this fan's opinion, though my order changes every time I wear a different pair of socks. Add Boyd, Bell, Boehm and maybe a mid-round pass rusher and I'd be buzzing like a can of bees.

[JoeyFlex5]

I personally think that any one in the top 5 would be a good pick for us(Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey, Tunsil, Nkem/Stanley). I really think in terms of order, Bosa, Tunsil, Hargreaves, Ramsey, and Stanley would be ranked highest on our board in order. 

 

I honestly hope Bosa falls to us and we take him. Man, would that make me really happy. Could you imagine if we came away with Bosa, Boyd, and Bell? That would get me hyped. 

i dont think bosa is going first overall, i think its either tunsil or whatever qb the first overall team decides to reach for. my big board for the ravens, and what i believe the ravens have similarly ranked, goes... 

 

1. tunsil 

2. bosa 

3. ramsey 

4. hargreaves 

5. stanley 

6. ogbah(thats right) 

7. nkemdiche 

 

i just could not imagine ozzie having bosa rated higher than tunsil, and for good reason. i love bosa, i really do, but i also believe he is overrated a bit by the media, still a bonafide top 3 guy, but in no way is he a clear cut #1, if we had the first overall pick i think ozzie takes tunsil and doesnt blink, but if he were to take bosa i would totally understand.

[PurpleCity5]

i dont think bosa is going first overall, i think its either tunsil or whatever qb the first overall team decides to reach for. my big board for the ravens, and what i believe the ravens have similarly ranked, goes...

1. tunsil

2. bosa

3. ramsey

4. hargreaves

5. stanley

6. ogbah(thats right)

7. nkemdiche

i just could not imagine ozzie having bosa rated higher than tunsil, and for good reason. i love bosa, i really do, but i also believe he is overrated a bit by the media, still a bonafide top 3 guy, but in no way is he a clear cut #1, if we had the first overall pick i think ozzie takes tunsil and doesnt blink, but if he were to take bosa i would totally understand.

I don't know who Ozzie would pick honestly. It can go both ways so I won't argue whether he picks Bosa or Tunsil. Bosa to me would just be a great addition, I mean getting a guy of that caliber who is young to pair with Suggs and Doom would just wreck havoc among defenses. I hope we pick him personally.

[PurpleCity5]

Apparently Bosa's a little overrated by the public, and scouts see him more as a top five guy than a clear-cut #1. If that's true, there's no reason he couldn't fall to us if we stay in that 3-5 region. Though it could also be a smokescreen to make teams with higher picks second-guess how they view him.

Any one of those six would be a dream pick-up in this fan's opinion, though my order changes every time I wear a different pair of socks. Add Boyd, Bell, Boehm and maybe a mid-round pass rusher and I'd be buzzing like a can of bees.

Getting Bosa, Boyd and Bell together would just get me hyped. I would love to have all three of them. Even if you subbed in Vonn Bell for Darian Thompson my hype wouldn't change. Get three of them and I'm getting ready for the playoffs. Edited November 26, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[GrimCoconut]

i dont think bosa is going first overall, i think its either tunsil or whatever qb the first overall team decides to reach for. my big board for the ravens, and what i believe the ravens have similarly ranked, goes...

1. tunsil

2. bosa

3. ramsey

4. hargreaves

5. stanley

6. ogbah(thats right)

7. nkemdiche

i just could not imagine ozzie having bosa rated higher than tunsil, and for good reason. i love bosa, i really do, but i also believe he is overrated a bit by the media, still a bonafide top 3 guy, but in no way is he a clear cut #1, if we had the first overall pick i think ozzie takes tunsil and doesnt blink, but if he were to take bosa i would totally understand.

After watching more games, I'm just not impressed by Nkemdiche to make him a top 5 pick. It's not that he's bad; he's really explosive. My problem is more or less that he's exceptionally athletic but I just wonder how he'll pan out. I've seen DL like him not pan out before, although that doesn't mean you don't draft him on that alone.

I need to watch more of him. I love what I see. The guy may be the best prospect in the nation in all honesty. He's really well built, too.

Edited November 26, 2015 by GrimCoconut

[Inqui]

After watching more games, I'm just not impressed by Nkemdiche to make him a top 5 pick. It's not that he's bad; he's really explosive. My problem is more or less that he's exceptionally athletic but I just wonder how he'll pan out. I've seen DL like him not pan out before, although that doesn't mean you don't draft him on that alone.

I need to watch more of him. I love what I see. The guy may be the best prospect in the nation in all honesty. He's really well built, too.

I'm not sure what to think of Kim D. I'm excited when I see him wreck OLs and make obscene plays in the backfield, but I can also understand the flags people (usually far more knowledgeable than myself) have brought up, especially if he's going to be a 5-tech.

 

All I know is that with the FO's record with DL guys, if we take him he's going to be exceptionally good and I plan to put a lot of money on CJ Mosley winning DPoY next year.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not sure what to think of Kim D. I'm excited when I see him wreck OLs and make obscene plays in the backfield, but I can also understand the flags people (usually far more knowledgeable than myself) have brought up, especially if he's going to be a 5-tech.

All I know is that with the FO's record with DL guys, if we take him he's going to be exceptionally good and I plan to put a lot of money on CJ Mosley winning DPoY next year.

I understand that this is an apples and oranges comparison, but I think we're overestimating our coaching, even if I love Brooks. A guy's heart has to be in it. That's why Williams is a beast and it's why Cody works for Animal Fries at In-and-Out (see what I did there? Double-whammy! Animal violence and overeating in one!).

That said, these are different animals (I'm on a roll) and I'm not sure Nkemdiche would bust like Cody. I do think we should tad carefully saying that he'll succeed due to others' success with Brooks.

[JoeyFlex5]

I don't know who Ozzie would pick honestly. It can go both ways so I won't argue whether he picks Bosa or Tunsil. Bosa to me would just be a great addition, I mean getting a guy of that caliber who is young to pair with Suggs and Doom would just wreck havoc among defenses. I hope we pick him personally.

its hard to pick between the high impact sexy pick, or the stalwart LT who's efforts will go unnoticed to the untrained eye... but ultimately i narrowed it down to: will we have a chance to get a franchise caliber LT in the near future? probably not, i just think they are tougher to find than an OLB, and while we still need one, i like both OTs too much to pass up either 

Edited November 26, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[PurpleCity5]

its hard to pick between the high impact sexy pick, or the stalwart LT who's efforts will go unnoticed to the untrained eye... but ultimately i narrowed it down to: will we have a chance to get a franchise caliber LT in the near future? probably not, i just think they are tougher to find than an OLB, and while we still need one, i like both OTs too much to pass up either

Im convinced that Tunsil is the better LT and I understand picking him, I just don't want to fall into that position because I really like Bosa. I don't think I would pick Stanley over Hargreaves/Ramsey, but I surely would pick Tunsil over them.

Lets also look at this prospective, what if you can get a franchise LT, or a spirited leader on your defense who might also be a multi-time All-Pro? Thats a difficult decision to make. Its like picking Between Johnathan Ogden and Ray Lewis(and I wouldn't force anyone to make that decision). I mean you can argue that Elite LT are rare, but spirited leaders on defenses like Ray came around once every generation.

[Winchester]

Im convinced that Tunsil is the better LT and I understand picking him, I just don't want to fall into that position because I really like Bosa. I don't think I would pick Stanley over Hargreaves/Ramsey, but I surely would pick Tunsil over them.

Lets also look at this prospective, what if you can get a franchise LT, or a spirited leader on your defense who might also be a multi-time All-Pro? Thats a difficult decision to make. Its like picking Between Johnathan Ogden and Ray Lewis(and I wouldn't force anyone to make that decision). I mean you can argue that Elite LT are rare, but spirited leaders on defenses like Ray came around once every generation.

With ya all the way on this. Only player I would take before Tunsil or Stanley is Bosa if he aces all the anti bust exams!! My opinion an all pro rusher makes the biggest impact and can almost single handed morph a defense to respectability. Other than that no way in hell in would take Ramsey or vh3 over the best tackle prospect in years. In Tunsil not only are you getting a franchise QB shield and dominant run blocker. But you are getting a rare element at Left Tackle!! A left tackle that can punch a nasty dominant defender in his mouth the way a guard can in the trenches. The ravens are putting that nasty trench mentality at Left Tackle to couple top end protection of our franchise QB. So when the ravens do find a couple legit WRs they will have that nasty element along with a prolific offense. A franchise tackle is even more valuable when there is a franchise QB and air attack. Hard to dominate an offense with an Oline consisting of Tunsil,Osemele,Urschel,Yanda Wagner. That is quite an attitude!! If the ravens can hit on a receiver in early round 2 and find a legit receiver by free agency or trade the ravens offense has a real shot of being #1 in the league. Other prolific offensee can not come close to boasting a dominant OLine like that. Without a dominant rusher I think Ramsey or Hargreaves impact is softened. Especially with Suggs and Dumervil getting older. A cornerback or safety is not going to make the defense much better. Besides with 2 big contracts being paid at cornerback, using a top3 pick on a cornerback is a lot of assets tied up!!

[allblackraven]

Whit our luck this season, I wouldn't be surprised if Schaub wins 4 games for us and solves this dilemma. Nothing wrong with Ogbah at #8.

[GrimCoconut]

Whit our luck this season, I wouldn't be surprised if Schaub wins 4 games for us and solves this dilemma. Nothing wrong with Ogbah at #8.

I'll be good with Ogbah.

[January J]

With ya all the way on this. Only player I would take before Tunsil or Stanley is Bosa if he aces all the anti bust exams!! My opinion an all pro rusher makes the biggest impact and can almost single handed morph a defense to respectability. Other than that no way in hell in would take Ramsey or vh3 over the best tackle prospect in years. In Tunsil not only are you getting a franchise QB shield and dominant run blocker. But you are getting a rare element at Left Tackle!! A left tackle that can punch a nasty dominant defender in his mouth the way a guard can in the trenches. The ravens are putting that nasty trench mentality at Left Tackle to couple top end protection of our franchise QB. So when the ravens do find a couple legit WRs they will have that nasty element along with a prolific offense. A franchise tackle is even more valuable when there is a franchise QB and air attack. Hard to dominate an offense with an Oline consisting of Tunsil,Osemele,Urschel,Yanda Wagner. That is quite an attitude!! If the ravens can hit on a receiver in early round 2 and find a legit receiver by free agency or trade the ravens offense has a real shot of being #1 in the league. Other prolific offensee can not come close to boasting a dominant OLine like that. Without a dominant rusher I think Ramsey or Hargreaves impact is softened. Especially with Suggs and Dumervil getting older. A cornerback or safety is not going to make the defense much better. Besides with 2 big contracts being paid at cornerback, using a top3 pick on a cornerback is a lot of assets tied up!!

gotta resign KO first- and I'm thinking we may let him walk.

[JoeyFlex5]

edited first page, new mock.

[52520Andrew]

Welp, guess you like a potential Ogbah Fuller tandem as well lol

[JoeyFlex5]

Welp, guess you like a potential Ogbah Fuller tandem as well lol

no, i liked a tunsil/boyd combo, bosa/whoever combo, or a hargreaves/nassib combo, but i think we played ourselves out of that lol