joeyflex5's too early mock

[JoeyFlex5]

EDIT FOR WEEK 12 based on current standings

 

1. tennessee - laremy tunsil, i dont think the titans can afford to go any other way right now 

2. cleveland - whichever qb they value too highly, because its cleveland 

3. san diego - jalen ramsey, i just have this feeling that they reach to replace weddle with a guy with a similar skillset 

4. dallas - joey bosa because jerry jones loves to crush our dreams

5. san fran - some qb 

6. miami - vernon hargreaves, because /cry 

7. ANDDDD THE BALTIMORE RAVENS SELECT...

 

ROUND1: 

 

 

emmanuel ogbah, edge, OKSTU. 

man, the difference that 1 win can make. anyway, i do think ogbah is a prototypical ravens OLB, he may take a minute to learn the extra nuances but he probably has the best motor and character and work ethic of any player in the draft. immediate contributor, and long term starter, team captain material. all the physical tools as well, could stand to play with lower hips but he still looks like a damn good future nfl player. hes finally getting the stock he has deserved. 

 

ROUND 2: 

 

Kendall Fuller, CB, VT. 

 

his recent ACL knocks him down boards, as he was a early 2nd rounder, he slides a bit to us and the need and BPA is just too great. picking at 7th in the 2nd round means we miss out on guys like boyd, doctson, and darian thompson, but we still get a good player and hopefully he recovers from this knee injury. 

 

ROUND 3: 

 

Vonn Bell, FS, OSU. 

 

the rangy, single high free safety we need, his stock is around early 3rd right now, if hes there he seems like a good pick, quality underrated player at a position of immense need, hopefully he becomes what terrence brooks couldnt. yannick ngakoue has a weird stock right now, if he continues to be in mid round limbo and he even sniffs the 3rd, we trade up for him for some home grown pass rushing nastiness, im taking bell here though because i think ngakoue blows up the combine and rises

Edited December 1, 2015 by JoeyFlex5

[GrimCoconut]

I'd be thrilled if this happened. I can't say I could imagine a better draft.

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd be thrilled if this happened. I can't say I could imagine a better draft.

yeah, dream scenario kinda, but i think ogbah is gonna end up flying up boards. i REALLY hope that one player between ifedi, ogbah, sutton, and nassib does something that keeps their stock from rising lol 

[PurpleCity5]

Yeah man, I cannot imagine a better draft than this. I would be insanly Hyped if this was our draft.

[52520Andrew]

I'd be clapping too if this was our draft

 

[GrimCoconut]

yeah, dream scenario kinda, but i think ogbah is gonna end up flying up boards. i REALLY hope that one player between ifedi, ogbah, sutton, and nassib does something that keeps their stock from rising lol 

Ogbah is a beast and I think he's the best fit for the Ravens, and this is from a big Nassib fan. With that said, I think he'll go in the middle of the first round. I see him as a future Suggs, however, and I wouldn't hesitate to take him if we traded back and Ramsey, Bosa & Hargreaves were gone. I'd take him before any WR, honestly. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Ogbah is a beast and I think he's the best fit for the Ravens, and this is from a big Nassib fan. With that said, I think he'll go in the middle of the first round. I see him as a future Suggs, however, and I wouldn't hesitate to take him if we traded back and Ramsey, Bosa & Hargreaves were gone. I'd take him before any WR, honestly. 

id take him over any wr except for doctson, hes grown on me alot and i think hes a great complement to what were hoping to get from perriman. but yeah i think extremely high of ogbah and i think hes one of those failsafe prospects, hes gonna be good, gonna be a full time starter etc. but if he becomes an all pro player is the question, but if its mid first round and we get a future first out of it, then ill take a legitimate starter at OLB

[JoeyFlex5]

updated: 

 

1. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame 

 

2. Tyler Boyd, WR, Pitt 

 

3. Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland 

 

i think ngakoues stock isnt that great, i could see him sliding to the very end of the 2nd round where the ravens pull the trigger on a move up.

[RavensFanMania]

love Ogbah as a player and agree he fits the mold as a Ravens 3-4 OLB.  Unfortunately I also agree that he will not be there for us at the top of the 2nd round and will most likely go between 15 and 25. 

 

If we have a pick close to 5 I'm sure that Ozzie will attempt to trade back and acquire more picks, but you obviously have to have a partner. 

[BmoreBird22]

updated:

1. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame

2. Tyler Boyd, WR, Pitt

3. Yannick Ngakoue, OLB, Maryland

i think ngakoues stock isnt that great, i could see him sliding to the very end of the 2nd round where the ravens pull the trigger on a move up.

I'd be very surprised to see the Ravens take Stanley at 3/4

[PurpleCity5]

I'd be very surprised to see the Ravens take Stanley at 3/4

I wouldn't. Do you mean taking Stanley over Tunsil or a LT in general? They don't come around often. Having an elite LT who play for more than a decade is just hard to pass up.

[BmoreBird22]

I wouldn't. Do you mean taking Stanley over Tunsil or a LT in general? They don't come around often. Having an elite LT who play for more than a decade is just hard to pass up.

I mean passing over the elite defensive talent that I view as better

[rmw10]

I, too, am sold on one of the defensive guys, but I wouldn't complain at all if we got one of the LTs as a consolation prize.  I think we're a better team now and for the future with one of Bosa, Nkemdiche, Ramsey, or Hargreaves + Monroe.  LT isn't exactly easy to find but I think we're talking game breaking talent on the defensive side of the ball.  I'm a huge fan of Stanley, but I'd have to lean heavily toward the 4 defensive guys.

Edited November 21, 2015 by rmw10

[PurpleCity5]

I mean passing over the elite defensive talent that I view as better

I wouldn't be shocked at all. It really depends on how you view talent. I personally wouldn't be upset at taking Stanley over anyone, would I do it? I don't know, but's its not the worse decision we could make. 

[arnie_uk]

As monroe not only like 27? He's still young, I think he'll finish his career here.

[jazz1988]

love Ogbah as a player and agree he fits the mold as a Ravens 3-4 OLB.  Unfortunately I also agree that he will not be there for us at the top of the 2nd round and will most likely go between 15 and 25. 

 

If we have a pick close to 5 I'm sure that Ozzie will attempt to trade back and acquire more picks, but you obviously have to have a partner. 

 

It depends on how his combine or pro day go .

[RavensFanMania]

It depends on how his combine or pro day go .

I agree, but that is where I project he is going to go after all is said and done. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I'd be very surprised to see the Ravens take Stanley at 3/4

why?

[JoeyFlex5]

As monroe not only like 27? He's still young, I think he'll finish his career here.

do you really think monroe can be depended on? 2nd most important position on the team and our starter lives on the trainers table

[BmoreBird22]

why?

Because I believe that Nkemdiche, Bosa, Hargreaves, and Ramsey would all be better picks

[JoeyFlex5]

Because I believe that Nkemdiche, Bosa, Hargreaves, and Ramsey would all be better picks

so basically, you want the sexy pick rather than the pick that actually may be the best pick. 

 

the value of a franchise LT >>> the value of a franchise pass rusher or DB, and there shouldnt be a question about that.

[BmoreBird22]

so basically, you want the sexy pick rather than the pick that actually may be the best pick. 

 

the value of a franchise LT >>> the value of a franchise pass rusher or DB, and there shouldnt be a question about that.

No, I want the pick that I believe to be the best pick and I believe that Bosa, Nkemdiche, and Hargreaves will be BPA over Stanley and that Ramsey will be neck and neck with Stanley.

 

And as far as I'm concerned, Monroe should finish out his deal here and he's actually been playing at a very high level when healthy... just isn't terribly healthy always.

[ravefan52]

so basically, you want the sexy pick rather than the pick that actually may be the best pick.

the value of a franchise LT >>> the value of a franchise pass rusher or DB, and there shouldnt be a question about that.

Just because you like someone who's not a LT doesn't mean it's because it's the sexier pick. Believe it or not not everyone thinks Stanley is the best player in this draft.

Also I would argue an elite defender would do more for us than a LT. Monroe misses some games, but he's still just a 28-year old franchise tackle who we have a ton of money invested in. Even when Monroe is out we scheme very well around it. Our defense desperately needs a young playmaker. Also for what it's worth I actually really like Stanley and wouldn't mind him, but he's not my No. 1 guy.

Edited November 21, 2015 by ravefan52

[BmoreBird22]

Just because you like someone who's not a LT doesn't mean it's because it's the sexier pick. Believe it or not not everyone thinks Stanley is the best player in this draft.

A lot of people around here act like if you don't share their opinion, you're wrong. It's rather annoying.

[JoeyFlex5]

No, I want the pick that I believe to be the best pick and I believe that Bosa, Nkemdiche, and Hargreaves will be BPA over Stanley and that Ramsey will be neck and neck with Stanley.

 

And as far as I'm concerned, Monroe should finish out his deal here and he's actually been playing at a very high level when healthy... just isn't terribly healthy always.

"just isnt terribly healthy always" is an understatement, you cant depend on a guy who cant stay on the field, thats all there is to it. 

 

 

Just because you like someone who's not a LT doesn't mean it's because it's the sexier pick. Believe it or not not everyone thinks Stanley is the best player in this draft.

Also I would argue an elite defender would do more for us than a LT. Monroe misses some games, but he's still just a 28-year old franchise tackle who we have a ton of money invested in. Even when Monroe is out we scheme very well around it. Our defense desperately needs a young playmaker. Also for what it's worth I actually really like Stanley and wouldn't mind him, but he's not my No. 1 guy.

its not that i think stanley is the best player in the draft, its just that when you have an opportunity to get a long term franchise LT, you have to take him unless you are already set in that position, and we are by no means set at LT. 

 

and lighten up people sheesh, i was just stating my thoughts on it and youre all getting your feelings hurt. you say "its rather annoying" but really it seems like you want people to agree with you with no discussion. i mean i said that stanley was my guy for first round pick and you came in and were the FIRST person to disagree, then when i get to discussing why i prefer stanley over your guys, you say "if you dont share opinions then youre wrong, and its annoying"... quite hypocritical, seems like you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of

[BmoreBird22]

"just isnt terribly healthy always" is an understatement, you cant depend on a guy who cant stay on the field, thats all there is to it. 

 

 

its not that i think stanley is the best player in the draft, its just that when you have an opportunity to get a long term franchise LT, you have to take him unless you are already set in that position, and we are by no means set at LT. 

 

and lighten up people sheesh, i was just stating my thoughts on it and youre all getting your feelings hurt. you say "its rather annoying" but really it seems like you want people to agree with you with no discussion. i mean i said that stanley was my guy for first round pick and you came in and were the FIRST person to disagree, then when i get to discussing why i prefer stanley over your guys, you say "if you dont share opinions then youre wrong, and its annoying"... quite hypocritical, seems like you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of

Which is why I used the phrase, "I believe." I was not telling you to believe anything I said or to change your own opinion and now you're just getting your feelings hurt. I didn't even name you. I just said a lot of people here act like if you don't share their opinion, your own opinion is invalid, and yes, it does happen a lot around here. I won't name people, but still, don't get so defensive. 

 

And to be fair to Eugene, he never missed more than one game in Jacksonville and the Ravens have put the third most players on IR in the past three years, if I'm remembering correctly. The time frame could be longer, but they're still top 3. This is also coming from the coaching staff that completely botched the Breshad Perriman case. I honestly want the training and medical staff evaluated because of all these injuries. 

 

He missed five games last year and four this year, but has graded out fairly well when he has been playing. It's not like he's Jared Gaither or anything. I'll be concerned if he suffers another injury this year, but at this point in time, he's pretty safe, especially if he actually does finish out. 

 

And to be honest, there isn't much to discuss. You asked why I would be disappointed with picking Stanley and when I told you why I personally would want the defensive players over Stanley, you basically said I don't have football IQ and then said there was no discussion over value, just to be clear.

 

And you should know damn well that I'm willing to have a discussion because we've had them in this very thread in the past week.

Edited November 21, 2015 by BmoreBird22

[PurpleCity5]

I will admit, I don't know if Monroe finishes out here. He just hasn't be reliable enough to finish a full 16 game sesson. I feel like he's a good LT but what can you do if you're always hurt? I forgive the concussion ordeal, because those aren't easy to dea with but outside of that it looks like he's always dealing with something.

Another thing to note, I cannot stand Hurst at LT. The guy is awful and it seems that pressure arrives everytime he's on the field. Teams tend to attack him again and again because they know he's a sub-par LT. I seriously do not know if Joe can hold up if(hopefully this doesn't happen) Monroe sustains a serious injury. This is why Im not opposed to picking a LT, though Im picking Bosa, Hargreaves, Ramsey and Big Rob over Ramsey/Tunsil, I wouldn't be shocked or upset if we went with one of the LT. If we do pick up Stanley then I would experiment shifting Monroe to guard and if that works then no one will touch Joe lol.

Edited November 21, 2015 by PurpleCity5

[-Truth-]

Just because you like someone who's not a LT doesn't mean it's because it's the sexier pick. Believe it or not not everyone thinks Stanley is the best player in this draft.

Also I would argue an elite defender would do more for us than a LT. Monroe misses some games, but he's still just a 28-year old franchise tackle who we have a ton of money invested in. Even when Monroe is out we scheme very well around it. Our defense desperately needs a young playmaker. Also for what it's worth I actually really like Stanley and wouldn't mind him, but he's not my No. 1 guy.

 

Even in a general sense, I feel that the values are debatable. I personally don't believe that a franchise LT is head and shoulders above a pass rusher or a DB with relation to team success. The following aren't the most accurate examples in terms of the impact of the individual positions, but the fact that the majority of SuperBowl participants over the last 5 seasons had at least one arguably franchise-caliber pass rusher on the field throughout the playoff run denotes the importance of the position to some degree. With players like David Diehl, Jonathan Scott, Chris Clark, Charlie Johnson, Jermon Bushrod and even Russell Okung, who's had a mostly disappointing career considering where he was drafted, you could argue that most didn't have a franchise LT. Obviously you can't just have whoever at LT, and it's not a perfect example, but it shows that there's not necessarily a runaway answer to such a degree where there shouldn't even be a conversation on the matter.

Edited November 22, 2015 by -Truth-

[ravefan52]

its not that i think stanley is the best player in the draft, its just that when you have an opportunity to get a long term franchise LT, you have to take him unless you are already set in that position, and we are by no means set at LT. 

 

and lighten up people sheesh, i was just stating my thoughts on it and youre all getting your feelings hurt. you say "its rather annoying" but really it seems like you want people to agree with you with no discussion. i mean i said that stanley was my guy for first round pick and you came in and were the FIRST person to disagree, then when i get to discussing why i prefer stanley over your guys, you say "if you dont share opinions then youre wrong, and its annoying"... quite hypocritical, seems like you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of

Trust me, you're not hurting my feelings. This has to be one of the most hypocritical things I have ever seen though. You claim we just want people to agree with us with no discussion yet you are the one who says things like "there shouldn't be a question about that" and "you have to take him unless you are already set at that position" while I say "I would argue" and BmoreBird says "I believe" and then states an opinion.

[CalvinSmoke]

That draft is am absolute dream. It would be like '96 all over again